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Originally Posted by Chuckles1
(Post 21538848)
I can remove the water bottle and drink while riding with one hand on the top bar of drop handlebars, but what I can't do is open the valve with one hand. So I generally stop to drink. Do you all leave the valve open during your rides? I don't do that because I always thought water could splash out, dust and grime could get in, and I'd get a bit of grit in with my water. Maybe I should try leaving valve open if it's not problematic...
Alternatively, I have Camelbak bottles (and a couple of other, similar brands) that have spray nozzles, so you squirt the water into your mouth. Those work fine, they're nice bottles. To the OP, as others have said, practice riding with 1 hand. Ride with 1 hand, then switch and ride with the other. Start off with your off-hand close to the bars. Then as you get comfortable, start taking the off-hand further away from the bars. Then start doing tasks; reach for something in a pocket, adjust your sunglasses, zip up your jersey. Eventually you'll get comfortable with it and it'll be quite easy to reach down, grab a bottle, take a swig and put it back. |
Just practice it, it's not difficult. In no time you'll be doing the Rapha flip!
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz
(Post 21538517)
It's a good discussion. My wife is a strong and experienced road rider. But she does not drink while moving. She believes that it's an unnecessary risk. I've never understood this, but I keep my trap shut and ask her if she'd like to stop and drink periodically.
The OP received good advice, which is to practice. Practice reaching down and placing his hand on the bottle. Practice reaching down and grasping the bottle. Practice reaching down, grasping, removing and replacing the bottle. Then add lifting the bottle to drink before replacing. Like all simple physical skills, this one has elements of core control, head control, eye control and general balance throughout. It's not too tough one mastered. |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 21539757)
Do they ever take you up on the offer to stop so she can drink?
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz
(Post 21539854)
It's not a "they", but rather a "we". I try to defer to her needs. We ride in groups only a handful of times annually. So, at traffic lights or other natural stops...
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Thanks everyone for the advice.
Last night I tested riding with one hand with my flat bar BSO. I'll see how it goes. Alternative water carrying solutions like bar mounted cage is also interesting. Regarding riding with a group. Well, I know even less than cycling. I am not even sure whether anyone is aware of my existence. They don't arrange pace lines so at least I don't worry about somebody crashing into my back. I suppose I can always ride solo... |
OP is not stable on the bike. Cannot easily ride with just one hand on bars. He can practice all day long, if the bike is unstable he is just taking risks and pushing his luck.
Most of us can ride no hands. People with tics and tremors and major disabilities can ride no hands. Bicycles are stable. Bicycles are massively stable. I got got my first water bottle in 1965. As a kid I was a klutz. In many ways still am. For example I am still never going to risk taking off or putting on a jacket while riding. There were no forums in 1965. There was no issue at all with the water bottle. Grab it and drink. Never even heard of anyone having a problem with taking a drink until the late 80s, right about when triathlon and TT became popular. And now 3/4 of enthusiasts are riding in TT position. Yes, there is a problem. The only way I know of to get current riders to ever contemplate doing things even slightly differently is to get them on a dropper post. So OP should install a dropper post. They drop for a reason. Makes the bike more stable when dropped. No one will ever try that. The OP could even lower the saddle just to take a drink. Going through all that trouble just to get a drink would make a lot more sense than falling on his head. To get stable on a bike saddle down and saddle back. Nothing controversial about that. Will anyone do that? No, they will cling to fashion and fall on their heads. |
Originally Posted by bruce19
(Post 21538667)
I think if your hand that's on the bars is close to the stem you will not twitch/move the front wheel so easily. Practice that in a parking lot and see if that works better for you. It's actually the function of a first class lever.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 21539435)
When I try to get my riding partners to do this for me, they always miss my mouth, and hit me between the eyes!
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
(Post 21538347)
Just do it in steps.
Find a wide straight section and first try and ride with one hand. Slight but straight down grade does make it easier to start because there is less peddling effort. Then when you feel confident, reach down and touch the bottle and keep peddling. Then lift it out and put it back, while peddling. Then reach down, take a drink and put the bottle back. There are cages that make easier to pull the bottle out sideways. And if you can’t get there you can mount a cage on the handlebars and use a camelback. But even if you get good at it, everyone still has to plan a good spot to take a drink. Years ago when everyone rode with diwntube shifters, riding with one hand was second nature. John
Originally Posted by Phil_gretz
(Post 21538517)
It's a good discussion. My wife is a strong and experienced road rider. But she does not drink while moving. She believes that it's an unnecessary risk. I've never understood this, but I keep my trap shut and ask her if she'd like to stop and drink periodically.
The OP received good advice, which is to practice. Practice reaching down and placing his hand on the bottle. Practice reaching down and grasping the bottle. Practice reaching down, grasping, removing and replacing the bottle. Then add lifting the bottle to drink before replacing. Like all simple physical skills, this one has elements of core control, head control, eye control and general balance throughout. It's not too tough once mastered.
Originally Posted by 63rickert
(Post 21540206)
OP is not stable on the bike. Cannot easily ride with just one hand on bars. He can practice all day long, if the bike is unstable he is just taking risks and pushing his luck.
Most of us can ride no hands. People with tics and tremors and major disabilities can ride no hands. Bicycles are stable. Bicycles are massively stable. I got got my first water bottle in 1965. As a kid I was a klutz. In many ways still am. For example I am still never going to risk taking off or putting on a jacket while riding. There were no forums in 1965. There was no issue at all with the water bottle. Grab it and drink. Never even heard of anyone having a problem with taking a drink until the late 80s, right about when triathlon and TT became popular. And now 3/4 of enthusiasts are riding in TT position. Yes, there is a problem. The only way I know of to get current riders to ever contemplate doing things even slightly differently is to get them on a dropper post. So OP should install a dropper post. They drop for a reason. Makes the bike more stable when dropped. No one will ever try that. The OP could even lower the saddle just to take a drink. Going through all that trouble just to get a drink would make a lot more sense than falling on his head. To get stable on a bike saddle down and saddle back. Nothing controversial about that. Will anyone do that? No, they will cling to fashion and fall on their heads. While not a dropper post user, I do find that on a compact frame it is more difficult than my "French fit" frame, which I suspect is also a frame geometry and trail issue, however the conept of bars and seat being close to the same height to be my ideal. Handlebar mounts are great, but I have yet to find one that by itself will reliably retain a bottle on rough road or sudden bumps, unless I experiment with the angle of the bottle cage when using a handlebar mount. That will eliminate a bump from launching a full bottle. Additionally fully loaded, the weight can affect handling enough to impact no-hands riding and drinking. I used to use a vintage in front of the stem TA handlebar mount to augment my DT mounts, now with a small handlebar bag, I just use the DT mount with a 24oz. bottle. |
Practice, practice, practice...
1 start out on a quiet rode (or parking lot) 2 glance down with both hands on the bars and then look at the road 3 just touch the bottle and replace your hands with you eyes on the road. If you can do this without wobbling around the road, move to the next step. 4 Pull the bottle out. Stop or toss the bottle in the grass 5 glance down again then back at the road, put the bottle back. If it doesn’t slide right in, glance again. Never let go the bottle unless you’re 100% certain that it’s in the cage. 6 with both hands on the bars, glance down again to make sure the bottle is seated correctly |
simple repetition
As mentioned by Bruce, you put one hand on the top of the bars right at the stem. Before other stuff was mounted on the stem, we used to put our hand right over the knob of the stem where the bar goes through (I raced for 34 years) Less leverage there to cause a wheel turn. Then while still looking ahead you pull the bottle out by feel, grip at the bottom and squeeze. Watch some pro races and look for the feed sections. It's not super important where you grip the bottle but not being in the drops and looking ahead is. If anything funny starts to happen you just toss the bottle aside.
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Originally Posted by StargazeCyclist
(Post 21538327)
I am a total noob regarding controlling a bike. The water bottle is in the cage on the downtube. I just can't figure out how to control the bike with one hand, and use the free hand to pick up the bottle. Is there any training I can do? I have my saddle set way forward and ride in the drops (more like a TT bike).
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The only thing I’ll add is that if it felt too easy to put the bottle back in the cage, it probably was. It doesn’t happen often, and is a bad thing in a group, but when you put the bottle back, don’t rush it. Make sure it is in the cage. Learn to hold it a second longer to make sure.
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I've been in your shoes. I generally pull out the bottle while in a more-aero position, hold the bottle (lid) briefly in my teeth, then drink when on the tops of the bars. I don't ride in groups (I need to try that sometime...), but I don't like to move my focus from the road. I'm also extra careful when I'm riding in traffic, so sometimes the drink has to wait.
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Originally Posted by SethAZ
(Post 21539680)
I always leave my valves open, and never have any issue with anything getting in. The water bottles I use have fairly enclosed orifices and it would have to be quite the dust storm for anything to get in.
I have no trouble retrieving a water bottle and getting a drink while riding, but I still nearly always find myself coasting while actually drinking. Sometimes I make myself keep pedaling, but it doesn't come naturally. For whatever reason, pausing the pedaling while drinking is my instinct, though that wouldn't go over too well in a group ride if we were pacelining. To the OP: it will help a lot if you can get used to grabbing your bottle and putting it back without looking at it. I just reach down and by muscle memory I can grab it. Sometimes I'll take a quick glance down to orient myself before putting it back after drinking, but still put it back while not watching it, since I prefer to keep my eyes on the road. One little problem with my approach is I find it much easier to retrieve and use my front water bottle than my rear bottle (the one mounted to the seat tube), so usually when the first bottle is empty I'll go through this awkward exchange where I swap the two bottles so I'm always drinking from the one mounted to the downtube. I'd second what the others have said and just practice on your own retrieving and putting your bottle back while riding, pausing pedaling while doing so if you need to. Once you've got that down if your valves are left open you can just squirt some water in your mouth. I usually have an inch or so of water left in my bottles when they're "empty" according to my usual practice, because I prefer to squirt water into my mouth rather than suck water through the valve, because I don't have to tilt my head to sky to do it. If I still need water and both bottles are down to that last inch I'll tilt my head and drain it. |
Why is your seat pushed so far forward? It sure sounds like the bike doesn't fit you and you'll never be very stable on it.
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Originally Posted by jpescatore
(Post 21538445)
Practice will get you there but there is an alternative to downtube/seat tube mounted water bottle holders. Touring cyclists often used "feedbags" that are mounted on the inside of the handlebars to one side of the top tube. Here is an example from REI of Revelate Designs ... .
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Learning to ride on rollers might help. For myself, riding on rollers is a practice of steering with the hips only. When steering the bike with your hips only, you can do just about anything with you upper body without swerving. It almost removes your upper body movements out of the equation. There's a Sufferfest video of someone on rollers making scrambled eggs that illustrates my point.
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I have never had a problem reaching down and grabbing the bottle while controlling the bike with one hand, even drinking while riding with no hands. Nowadays I prefer to stop and take in a bit of hydration while sitting still, I believe it is much safer. I do not do group rides.
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Originally Posted by mattthehat
(Post 21538484)
too proud? What a weird thing to say. Maybe he simply doesn’t want to inconvenience the group.
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Originally Posted by Ross520
(Post 21547975)
Same here, awkward exchange and everything. 😂
I used to give my wife a hard time about only drinking when stopped, but then we got a cargo bike for hauling the kids around after they outgrew their trailer. Reaching from a very upright position, all the way down to the downtube, with the weight of 2 wriggling 5 year olds behind, is probably what I imagine a new cyclist feels when trying to reach a bottle on a road bike. |
Originally Posted by StargazeCyclist
(Post 21538327)
I am a total noob regarding controlling a bike. The water bottle is in the cage on the downtube. I just can't figure out how to control the bike with one hand, and use the free hand to pick up the bottle. Is there any training I can do? I have my saddle set way forward and ride in the drops (more like a TT bike).
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