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Old 08-05-20, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by flacplnj View Post
Yes it is expensive to enforce laws. So now we don't arrest people for stealing bicycles, then do we add cars to the list to? Where does it stop? Second I doubt "all" the people that steal bicycles are homeless.

I don't care what state it is, if you don't enforce the laws crime will continue? So are you suggesting to let thieves continue to steal with no repercussions? That in its self is no solution.
Bank robbing should be decriminalized.
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Old 08-05-20, 07:04 PM
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^^^^ since when was it ever a crime
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Old 08-05-20, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
wait wait wait.
Are you saying it is not illegal in the syatenof California to steal a bicycle? Like I could drive out there and take people's bikes without any repercussion?
Also, do insurance companies not require a police report to claim a bike was stolen?

If what you posted is actually correct, its indefensible.
Yes, your analysis is correct. We have thefts because we tolerate thefts. If we wanted to eliminate thievery, we would put thieves into an airlock and open the outside door. See "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", by Robert A. Heinlein.
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Old 08-05-20, 08:53 PM
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Man, I KNOW the Midwest is a boring place to live, but thank GOD I don't live in California. I think I'd rather live on the Bizarro World!

California: A place where a dog can step in human feces.


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Old 08-05-20, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
Here in California bike theft has been decriminalized so the homeless end up with bikes and they strip and exchange parts down in the river bed with cans of spray paint in hand. I passed one with a wagon in tow and hanging out under his stuff was a pair of bolt cutters. Sometimes I see the homeless with a bike in hand while riding another one , police do nothing. Police refuse to take reports of bike theft. I don't have a lock and never leave my bike anywhere but in my garage or shop. If the bike is out I am with it. If a store tells me I can't come in with my bike I find another store. My bikes are very dear to me as I have restored and refurbished them, they are not that valuable money wise up to maybe 1k but to me much more so they are in my sight when not in their stable. Joe joesvintageroadbikes.wordpress
That's a good one! Hope more stores accept bikes in.

The nearby, uncrowded stores I visit unfortunately is too tight inside to bring a bike in. Chain lock and fake rust is the solution for me. I just need to park my bike beside a nicer looking bike that is tied with a less secure lock!
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Old 08-06-20, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
Oh please stop bagging on California. Do you realize what a mess it would be, and the amount money it would take, if CA was to throw all the homeless bicycle thieves in jail? The resources it takes to jail these types of petty crimes is on the order of magnitude higher than the items stolen. Bicycle thefts are the least of society's problem. But leave it to a bicycle forum to make it into end-of-world Cali problem.
So we only enforce laws that are profitable? Now there's a solution , if it costs too much , forget about it!
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Old 08-06-20, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
wait wait wait.
Are you saying it is not illegal in the syatenof California to steal a bicycle? Like I could drive out there and take people's bikes without any repercussion?
Also, do insurance companies not require a police report to claim a bike was stolen?

If what you posted is actually correct, its indefensible.
It's more amazing that you're seemingly unaware of all of this. Much of what is happening in California has been well documented and reported...
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Old 08-06-20, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
It's more amazing that you're seemingly unaware of all of this. Much of what is happening in California has been well documented and reported...
If 1000 random Americans east of SLC were polled, I doubt 50 would honestly answer that they knew stealing property is not illegal(which is the first thing claimed, and incorrect). If asked that they knew its simply a misdemeanor to steal a $950 ring from a store or to steal someone's $975 bicycle, i doubt 100 people would honestly answer they knew.
The same absurdly low odds apply for asking if they knew you can file insurance claims for stolen property without any attempt to recover said property or contact of the authorities(both happen by filing a police report).

And quick googling shows a misdemeanor conviction for petty theft is a sentence up to half a year in jail and a $1000 fine. That is certainly more penal than what the poster inrespnded to made it seem like.



I appreciate the wording of your post. My apologies for being ignorant on how small thefts work in states 1500mi from me. I need to do better and read more than I already do.***

...oh, and for the record, whats been posted towards me is half accuracies. Go smarm on those who aren't citing correct laws.


Edited to add- I am well aware of challenges California faces when it comes to the homeless population. I've read about sleeping on paths, outside storefronts, the camps along paths in Socal, underground bunkers filled with stolen bikes, etc etc.
I hadnt looked up the laws surrounding bike theft and insurance claims. I'll make sure to look this info up for the remaining 48 states just in case this topic ever happens to come up again for Montana or Colorado, or Louisiana(ooh, napoleonic law!).

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Old 08-06-20, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
So we only enforce laws that are profitable? Now there's a solution , if it costs too much , forget about it!
that's what happened with the "three strike" law. Initially, they went gung-ho about enforcing it, sending petty potheads to jail, for a long time. Then they found that the jails were being overcrowded, and to make matters worse, one unintended side effect is that the prison system became a huge money-making scheme for the those who run prison from contractors to correctional officers. Now they pretty much stop the stupid three strike law (and yes, people did warn about this law's consequence bad in the day). MONEY is a scarce resourse??

You ever wonder why they release some sex offenders early? Yep, gotta clear space for the upcoming criminals. Do you REALLY want to put a bike thief in jail in place of a sex offender? Please stop with all the strawman arguments.
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Old 08-06-20, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
that's what happened with the "three strike" law. Initially, they went gung-ho about enforcing it, sending petty potheads to jail, for a long time. Then they found that the jails were being overcrowded, and to make matters worse, one unintended side effect is that the prison system became a huge money-making scheme for the those who run prison from contractors to correctional officers. Now they pretty much stop the stupid three strike law (and yes, people did warn about this law's consequence bad in the day). MONEY is a scarce resourse??

You ever wonder why they release some sex offenders early? Yep, gotta clear space for the upcoming criminals. Do you REALLY want to put a bike thief in jail in place of a sex offender? Please stop with all the strawman arguments.
First off , I never said they should be put in jail.What was referring to was the lack of response to bike theft. Community service and take the bikes away from the thieves, second, the release of"sex offenders" has nothing to do with making space for bike thieves! It is clearing overcrowded jails and prisons. It is not as you project at all. There are a # of reasons prisoners are released early , none of these are to make room for a bike thief I can assure you, that is ridiculous. My point is that the law enforcement officers don't even look for the thief or take down a serial # of the bike .There is no repercussion for these thefts and the thieves know it.
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Old 08-06-20, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
First off , I never said they should be put in jail.What was referring to was the lack of response to bike theft. Community service and take the bikes away from the thieves, second, the release of"sex offenders" has nothing to do with making space for bike thieves! It is clearing overcrowded jails and prisons. It is not as you project at all. There are a # of reasons prisoners are released early , none of these are to make room for a bike thief I can assure you, that is ridiculous. My point is that the law enforcement officers don't even look for the thief or take down a serial # of the bike .There is no repercussion for these thefts and the thieves know it.
and knowing that, what should you do?
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Old 08-06-20, 10:05 AM
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I know what I do, I keep my bike in my possession at all times when not in my garage or shop. I do not lock it to go into a store, I take my bike with me. Yes, there are stores that allow this, the ones that don't , I don't visit. Oh wait , I already said this!!
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Old 08-06-20, 10:22 AM
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I never leave my bike out of my sight.
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Old 08-06-20, 10:52 AM
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It's coming..

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Old 08-06-20, 10:55 AM
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I never leave my bike out of my sight.
How you do sleep at night? Go to the bathroom? Go to work? Etc., etc., etc.
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Old 08-06-20, 11:08 AM
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Two pages, arguments right and left, another success for the under bridge crew
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Old 08-06-20, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy View Post
With that paint job, I wouldn't worry about the "regular" bike thieves. I'd be more worried about the guys that steal scrap metal.
I think that's the point,,, you never want to have the prettiest or best looking bike locked up outside in the bike rack ....
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Old 08-06-20, 02:09 PM
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With the shortage of bikes out there, this is a very bad time to get your bike stolen. You may have to wait a long time before you can get another one.
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Old 08-06-20, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
How you do sleep at night? Go to the bathroom? Go to work? Etc., etc., etc.
That's easy. You just bring your bicycle with you when you go to bed, to work or to the bathroom or anywhere else.
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Old 08-06-20, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
That's easy. You just bring your bicycle with you when you go to bed, to work or to the bathroom or anywhere else.
My bike doesnít fit inside my tent or many vault toilets. And bikes are not allowed inside either of my office buildings.

As I think I noted above, in more than 3 decades of locking bikes outside the only one I had stolen was inside my house at the time. And Iím not talking about in the garage that I donít have. I was at home and awake.

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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
Bicycle thefts are the least of society's problem.
I disagree with you....I believe that getting a bicycle stolen is as serious as getting your car, or motorcycle or moped stolen. Bike theft is no different than having some criminal break into your house and stealing your personal belongings... Bicycles are not just recreational toys. Some people spend a lot of money on bikes and use them as transportation, for others it's a fulfilling hobby.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
My bike doesnít fit inside my tent or many vault toilets. And bikes are not allowed inside either of my office buildings.
I was only joking. I don't think there is anybody out there who would actually sleep with their bike.
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on a positive note, if your bike does not fit or needs major repairs, leave it out to be stolen. Then buy another one
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I was only joking. I don't think there is anybody out there who would actually sleep with their bike.
I take nothing for granted on this site. A guy I used to ride with a lot would take his bike inside the bathroom at Valley Forge National Historic Park even though I was sitting close to it. Many, many people are full of irrational fear. I feel bad for those who are.
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
and knowing that, what should you do?
First off, what is so wrong with the "Strawman Proposition". It's design is to break down and discuss ideas and solutions (solve problems). I am not distorting anything or misinterpreting any of your comments. You have made it clear that you have no problem not punishing criminals for certain types of crime, because it isn't economically feasible.

As far as I am concerned, breaking the law is a crime. That goes for any law. When a crime is committed there needs to be a penalty, whether it be a bicycle or a bag of Cheetos. If we go down the trail that we only punish crime that fits a certain economical formula or any other excuse, then as a civilized society we are indeed doomed. Our society can only be maintained by laws. As far as banging on California, I said it before, I don't care what state it is, if the state you live in condones crime then it is part of the problem.

My answer to your question, what should you do, (Punish the criminals).
I am not attempting to incite anger in you by having a discussion. This won't be solved here that is for sure.

On a happier note, I do love cycling. I will be riding the Withlacoochee trail beginning in Dunnellon Florida tomorrow morning at 6:00 am if anyone would like to join me. God Bless America.
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