I find it amazing what advertising can condition people to accept
08-19-20, 02:51 PM
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We are going to need some stupider and more provocative digressions if this thread is ever going to reach ten pages.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
I you read any of the famous cycling books from the 80s and before, they call any bike frame butt welded low class junk. But in the nearly 40 years since then advertising has conditioned cyclist to accept butt welded frames instead of beautiful lugged and low temp brazed frames. The simple reason for that is that now computers run robot welding machines, and frame mfg can make more money that way. Robots can churn out butt welded frames 24 hours a day.
N.B. FWIW, all my bikes are handmade, lugged or fillet brazed because that's what I like, not because they're intrinsically better than modern production bikes.
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08-19-20, 03:09 PM
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The '80s? Forty short years ago? Try 80 Millennia ago. That is when things were real.
Yeah, it takes a long time to chip a bike out of flint but that bike will be hard as rock. All these new-fangled materials ... .... flint has served humanity well for hundreds of thousands of years. Can steel make that claim?
Yeah, it takes a long time to chip a bike out of flint but that bike will be hard as rock. All these new-fangled materials ... .... flint has served humanity well for hundreds of thousands of years. Can steel make that claim?
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Originally Posted by Elbeinlaw
Don't worry about collecting your social security, Mark. I'm collecting it for you.
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Jokes on you, YOUR tax dollars have been paying for my NEET lifestyle since the Clinton administration!
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Originally Posted by BoraxKid
Jokes on you, YOUR tax dollars have been paying for my NEET lifestyle since the Clinton administration!
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I dont disagree that they can be applicable. They are overused at this point. The saturation point was exceeded long ago and I chuckle at those who use both too liberally now. At this point its gone meta, actually- laughing at someone who references something that is overused in their attempt to make fun of someone else for how they are thinking.
Passe, but I guess these will be around until the collective finds new ways to describe groups of people.
Ooh, whats a fun name for someone who uses overdone pop culture meme phrases?
Passe, but I guess these will be around until the collective finds new ways to describe groups of people.
Ooh, whats a fun name for someone who uses overdone pop culture meme phrases?
Perfect example: the individual trolling this thread with o/t interpolations of his (gender presumed) rather jejeune socio-political observations.
08-19-20, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
We are going to need some stupider and more provocative digressions if this thread is ever going to reach ten pages.
08-19-20, 04:57 PM
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About the only good thing to come out if my experience living in Texas was the phrase "all y'all".
If I just say "y'all need to go ride your bikes", each of you can look around and say to yourself "he's not talking to ME, he's talking to them."
But when I say "all y'all need to go ride your bikes", there's no escape the meaning. All y'all is inclusive, and in this case, called for.
If I just say "y'all need to go ride your bikes", each of you can look around and say to yourself "he's not talking to ME, he's talking to them."
But when I say "all y'all need to go ride your bikes", there's no escape the meaning. All y'all is inclusive, and in this case, called for.
08-19-20, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Thomas15
I'm not an expert or even a semi-expert but "butt welded" implies high temp arc welding with low quality steel.
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08-19-20, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Have you ever seen the workmanship that goes into a Seven bicycle?
The welds are a work of art.
The welds are a work of art.
08-19-20, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by boilermaker1
Not works of art but a job of work. Better than art. And I'm more impressed with the fit than the welds.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Amazingly enough, this thread has made even me feel like less of an angry, argumentative pedant.
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[QUOTE=JohnDThompson;21649921]There's more than that to account for it. Both TIG welding (whether or not automated/robotic) and metallurgy have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. The manufacturing methods of modern welded frames were simply not possible in the 1980s and earlier.
N.B. FWIW, all my bikes are handmade, lugged or fillet brazed because that's what I like, not because they're intrinsically better than modern production bikes.[/QUOTE]
Hate to feed the thread starter but the comment about your preferences in bike materials is the most rational statement these forums have seen for a while.
N.B. FWIW, all my bikes are handmade, lugged or fillet brazed because that's what I like, not because they're intrinsically better than modern production bikes.[/QUOTE]
Hate to feed the thread starter but the comment about your preferences in bike materials is the most rational statement these forums have seen for a while.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Some people don't adjust well to changing technology, especially when their favorite technology gets left behind.
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Originally Posted by BoraxKid
Jokes on you, YOUR tax dollars have been paying for my NEET lifestyle since the Clinton administration!
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Thank god for this thread. I’m on day one of a three day tour and my book is boring.
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I hate to be a pedant, but 'butt welding' means joining two pieces of metal end-to-end.
So for example- a welded rim can be said to be butt-welded. The frame, on the other hand, is not butt welded. It's closer to a T-joint or corner joint.
And it's not true that lugless frames were looked down on. This was the top of the line Miyata in 1982:
All lugless, with aero shaped steel tubing.
So for example- a welded rim can be said to be butt-welded. The frame, on the other hand, is not butt welded. It's closer to a T-joint or corner joint.
And it's not true that lugless frames were looked down on. This was the top of the line Miyata in 1982:
All lugless, with aero shaped steel tubing.
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And it's not true that lugless frames were looked down on. This was the top of the line Miyata in 1982:
All lugless, with aero shaped steel tubing.[/QUOTE]
I think that's fillet brazing, which - to me eyes - is prettier than lugs.
But I'm more of a 'form over function' person. My oldest tig-welded frame is 17+ yrs and 40k+ miles, and still going strong. No problem with that.
All lugless, with aero shaped steel tubing.[/QUOTE]
I think that's fillet brazing, which - to me eyes - is prettier than lugs.
But I'm more of a 'form over function' person. My oldest tig-welded frame is 17+ yrs and 40k+ miles, and still going strong. No problem with that.
08-19-20, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Some people don't adjust well to changing technology, especially when their favorite technology gets left behind.
Gears were a great idea. 7...8...even 9 cogs in the back. Sure. Then 10, then 11, then 12...maybe they have 20 in the rear now? I don't look at new bikes too often. But at some point, **** gets ridiculous and offers little practical benefit.
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Somehow you guys missed disc brakes, tubeless, and thru axles. You're slipping
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Originally Posted by boilermaker1
I can see you're not a boilermaker or pipefitter welding to ASME high pressure codes. In those trades extremely high quality butt welds are made on various steel alloys, often with a heli arc root and stick out. A good weld is as strong as the base. Welded bike frames are aces with me.
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Lugs and TRIPLE BUTTED for the win!
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Originally Posted by Koyote
“And one more thing: you kids get off of my lawn!”
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Some people don't adjust well to changing technology, especially when their favorite technology gets left behind.
