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Old 08-20-20, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
Even repairing has become parts replacement and not rebuilding. A friend of mine used to say that auto mechanics no longer exist, they are just parts replacers. They will replace parts until they find the one causing the problem. Replacement parts are so much cheaper than rebuilding, so why not?
Uhmm, you still need to diagnose where the problem is to "rebuild" something. Another issue is most of the time the "replace until solved" is electronic controls rather than mechanical assemblies and the time and trouble to trace to a part that isn't rebuild able anyway, particularly given the amount of them now being used. A big part is offshore parts have become cheaper then skilled labor to diagnose and install them. For example I used to cut rotors, now a cheap off shore rotor is faster and cheaper than cutting the old one.
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Old 08-20-20, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Higher energy efficiency is generally considered "better."
But, that does not necessarily make it structurally more sound/better.
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
But there again that black and white TV could be cheaply fixed when it went wrong. When you new flat screen TV goes bad it goes to the land fill and you buy a new one.
And it cost about $200 at a time when the average car cost $2000 and the median family income was about $5600.

Now? A flat screen TV costs about $200 when the average car costs $30,000 and median family income is about $61,000.

So, there's that.
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Old 08-20-20, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
I was going to. I looked up who recycled, and drove it there. They wanted $50. You can imagine what I told them. I brought it back home and tore it apart and threw it in the trash.
Not surprised by that.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Not surprised by that.
Complains about things ending up in the landfill, and it turns out he put them there.
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Do you really thing the chinese frame building sweat shops pay their people $15 to $25 per hour. If they did most America name brand bikes would be built her in the US.
No, I dont think people building frames in a factory in China are making $15-25usd/hour.
I also dont think they are making the $.40/hr you claimed earlier.

I responded to your $.40/hr claim and offered up no guess as to what the pay range is. You then chose to assign $15-25thr to my argument.

Seriously, do you understand the basics of a discussion? Dont create an argument, assign it to someone, then defeat the argument and claim the other person is wrong. Thats a logical fallacy.
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Yes Taiwan. I consider anything from Taiwan to be of better quality than from main land China.
I'm not surprised. Such a blanket belief is seriously flawed and is not based in reality.
China has the ability to produce crap products and incredible products. Same with Taiwan.
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Game manufacturers have been re-issuing games; NES, N64...

It is no longer a matter of looking for NOS, companies have discovered that there is a human nature of reaching back to an earlier time in life to re-capture something.

It is unbelievably hilarious to see gamers getting the latest version of a game and at the same time buying Mario Cart to play with their kids.

In most of us, regardless of our devotion to the latest tech, there is a piece that holds on to some part of our past.

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This guy went my ignore list long ago. Why good folks engage with this nonsense to the tune six pages and 136 responses, and counting, is beyond me. People (in this case an angry old man looking for attention) troll this place on a daily basis, and people jump right in and entertain them.

Never argue with a fool..they'll drag you down to their level and beat you up with experience.
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Old 08-20-20, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
Game manufacturers have been re-issuing games; NES, N64...
...
In most of us, regardless of our devotion to the latest tech, there is a piece that holds on to some part of our past.

John
This is not new and has a limit... of a lifetime. 50s pop music, which was still on AM when I was a kid in the 80s, is disappearing. There is nearly no market for pop from the Roaring 20s.
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Old 08-20-20, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dedhed View Post
Mostly for additional insulation for energy purposes not to be better.
well actually, it's the additional insulation that makes the house better. being less wasteful by using less energy to heat or cool the building is a quantifiable advantage.
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Old 08-20-20, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
No, I dont think people building frames in a factory in China are making $15-25usd/hour.
I also dont think they are making the $.40/hr you claimed earlier.


I responded to your $.40/hr claim and offered up no guess as to what the pay range is. You then chose to assign $15-25thr to my argument.

Seriously, do you understand the basics of a discussion? Dont create an argument, assign it to someone, then defeat the argument and claim the other person is wrong. Thats a logical fallacy.
Regarding Chinese cf factory workers earning $.40/hour: Given that we're all carrying computers with internet access around in our pockets, I'm always amazed that some people just make things up rather than taking, oh, two minutes to check the actual facts. I mean, blimey, you don't even have to ride your bike on down to the library these days.

You are describing the Straw Man fallacy, I believe. Very common.

Honestly, this whole thread is a hoot.
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Old 08-20-20, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Regarding Chinese cf factory workers earning $.40/hour: Given that we're all carrying computers with internet access around in our pockets, I'm always amazed that some people just make things up rather than taking, oh, two minutes to check the actual facts. I mean, blimey, you don't even have to ride your bike on down to the library these days.

You are describing the Straw Man fallacy, I believe. Very common.

Honestly, this whole thread is a hoot.
Oh I love threads started by 'bent. They are pure gold. Its my version of a trashy checkout line magazine or superficial reality show where everyone is terrible to one another. I find all that off putting, but love me some disaster 'bent threads!

As for logical fallacies, they are little devils. Even when aware of them, its super easy to fall into using them. Straw Man, Slippery Slope, and Ad Hom Attack are really common on the 2 forums I frequent. Well, those as well as Appeal to Authority and Bandwagon.
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Old 08-20-20, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Oh I love threads started by 'bent. They are pure gold. Its my version of a trashy checkout line magazine or superficial reality show where everyone is terrible to one another. I find all that off putting, but love me some disaster 'bent threads!

As for logical fallacies, they are little devils. Even when aware of them, its super easy to fall into using them. Straw Man, Slippery Slope, and Ad Hom Attack are really common on the 2 forums I frequent. Well, those as well as Appeal to Authority and Bandwagon.
I have a handy little way to determine whether someone is using an Ad Hominem fallacy:

Ad Hominem: "Because you're stupid, your argument is bad"

NOT Ad Hominem: "Because your argument is bad, you're stupid."
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Originally Posted by fishboat View Post
This guy went my ignore list long ago. Why good folks engage with this nonsense to the tune six pages and 136 responses, and counting, is beyond me. People (in this case an angry old man looking for attention) troll this place on a daily basis, and people jump right in and entertain them.

Never argue with a fool..they'll drag you down to their level and beat you up with experience.
But see that is where you are dead wrong. Im 81 in fantastic health, have a fantastic family, and have lived the American dream. I am very happy in retirement, and ride about 25 miles every other day. What is not to be happy about.

OTOH it is people like you that attack people you dont know just because you dont agree with them.
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
But see that is where you are dead wrong. Im 81 in fantastic health, have a fantastic family, and have lived the American dream. I am very happy in retirement, and ride about 25 miles every other day. What is not to be happy about..
You were a year older 3 days ago, so I guess you're getting younger.

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Im 82, and ride about 25 miles every other day. I could pass for 65, and feel like it too. And think even younger.

That last sentence is pretty humorous, BTW.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
This is not new and has a limit... of a lifetime. 50s pop music, which was still on AM when I was a kid in the 80s, is disappearing. There is nearly no market for pop from the Roaring 20s.
Very well put. Although there may be a few things that transcend. It would be interesting to see the collectibility of an original 62 Strat on its 100th anniversary.

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No not at all. But some of us can see thru it and make wise decisions on our own.

My favorite BTW was the fool telling us on TV that some brand of instant coffee tasted just as good as fresh perked.
For some things yes but studies have shown that people will do what they are "marketed" to do, whether they like it or not.
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Many folks don't see spending years as a copier repairman and ending up being trapped in Nebraska as the American dream.

Just like many folks don't pine for the days of brifters and six speed cassettes.

It's broader experiences and different goals that you seem to not be able to understand here.
I lived in NE. It's pretty nice, actually. But you gotta be okay with some snow.
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Many folks don't see spending years as a copier repairman and ending up being trapped in Nebraska as the American dream.

Just like many folks don't pine for the days of brifters and six speed cassettes.

It's broader experiences and different goals that you seem to not be able to understand here.
Not just copiers, but probably 350 machine types from typewriters to small main frame computers and most everything in between.

As far as being "trapped" in Nebr, we have clean air, clean water and clean streets. Want to tell me about the streets in San Francisco, since I see you are from Calif. Further, I am not afraid to walk down any street here in Lincoln at 3am. Can you say that about the streets in San Francisco or LA????
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One of the other things we do in the 21st century is recycle our electronics, because it really isn't a good idea to put them in the local landfill.
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I was going to. I looked up who recycled, and drove it there. They wanted $50. You can imagine what I told them. I brought it back home and tore it apart and threw it in the trash.
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Complains about things ending up in the landfill, and it turns out he put them there.
I honestly don't know how much of what we have recycled is actually recycled.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/plastic-wars/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ling-landfills

Considering shredders are used in many instances, I can't imagine how hard it would be to separate the components on circuit boards, plastics, glass, steel, aluminum, etc. and be able to still recycle these items.




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Parts of Nebraska are very attractive. I especially like the Sandhills. And don't forget Carhenge.
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I don’t think they recycle e waste here but they do want it separated. Heavy metals don’t belong in the landfill.

Instant coffee did get better. Starbucks Via packets are pretty tolerable on tour. But I do remember “We’ve secretly replaced these dummies’ burnt diner coffe with Folgers Crystals!”
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Not just copiers, but probably 350 machine types from typewriters to small main frame computers and most everything in between.

As far as being "trapped" in Nebr, we have clean air, clean water and clean streets. Want to tell me about the streets in San Francisco, since I see you are from Calif. Further, I am not afraid to walk down any street here in Lincoln at 3am. Can you say that about the streets in San Francisco or LA????
"Here, defend a city you probably don't live in, compared to a city many times smaller!"

Yeah, and the 600-person town where I grew up makes Lincoln look like a ****hole by comparison, in terms of crime. And....?
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Parts of Nebraska are very attractive. I especially like the Sandhills. And don't forget Carhenge.
I thought Nebraska was boring, till I drove across North Dakota.
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