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Old 08-22-20, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by freeranger
I only managed to make it thru a few replies. But what I find amazing is: 203 replies?! (including mine) so far.
The goal is 10 pages at least. Just because.

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Originally Posted by ofajen
The goal is 10 pages at least. Just because.

Otto
Once we go past "We all need to get lives" there is no redemption short of "We have dedication and persistence far beyond the bounds of all but the strongest .... or most disturbed."
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"Dinsdale? Dinsdale!"
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
"Dinsdale? Dinsdale!"
Putting his little boot in he'd be, bless him. All the kids were like that then, they didn't have their heads stuffed with all this Cartesian dualism.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
"Dinsdale? Dinsdale!"
Well that's all for now, until next week ...
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Originally Posted by freeranger
I only managed to make it thru a few replies. But what I find amazing is: 203 replies?! (including mine) so far.
Wait until OP's "I smell the roses and the rest of you are wannabe racerboys" thread comes around again.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Wait until OP's "I smell the roses and the rest of you are wannabe racerboys" thread comes around again.
Govt. bcrat!
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Page 9, but getting oh so close to ...
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... 10 pages about, well, nothing. C'mon, we can do it; just takes a little effort.
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Originally Posted by badger1
... 10 pages about, well, nothing. C'mon, we can do it; just takes a little effort.
And 226 posts.
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Originally Posted by badger1
... 10 pages about, well, nothing. C'mon, we can do it; just takes a little effort.
There seemed to be a somewhat detailed debate about the relative flatness of the earth.
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Originally Posted by diggida
There seemed to be a somewhat detailed debate about the relative flatness of the earth.
Total runout or surface profile would be a more appropriate feature control

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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
Think'n I'm in need of sum splain'n cause this conversat'n gots me corn fused. I always thought West Texas started in El Paso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UVVS5-9HvA
He could have ridden that horse east 300 miles, and still been in west Texas. I thought it was further yet, as far as Ranger, but per boilermaker1 it's defined by the capstone escarpment. That puts it around Big Spring I suppose.

I did a 600k brevet over there out of Midland, almost all solo. Through Fort Stockton, Iraan. I think we overnighted back at Midland then day 2 did a smaller loop. Flat, desolate, dry. Just above freezing at sunrise, well over 100 by late afternoon. The sun bakes any exposed skin and the dry air sucks the water out through your pores. Listen to the lonesomeness in Marty Robbins' voice. No place for man or horse.


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Old 08-23-20, 05:42 PM
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Scotts Bluff Nebraska is pretty cool and quite historic. It's impressive, the way it rises abruptly from the prairie. Quite a sight when you're driving west across the Great Plains.




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Originally Posted by boilermaker1
Scotts Bluff Nebraska is pretty cool and quite historic. It's impressive, the way it rises abruptly from the prairie. Quite a sight when you're driving west across the Great Plains.



But Pine Bluffs just south of there has real honest to goodness mountain biking.
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My info is likely outdated since I rode there a lot t in high school and I'm turning 42 next week.

There was only one exit, head to the bluff just south of town. Find parking and ride. It was actually very good.

There might be a bunch of condo's there now. I haven't been there in a long time.
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Everyone needs to experience an old 40 lb bike with steel rims so that they can appreciate the newer bikes.

I am still riding a 40 year old bike but I may up grade any day.
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Corrected Keith Botrager quote

Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes
The people "accepting crap" today are probably pretty much the same people that were "accepting crap" before. I'm not sure that shrewd advertising mad men necessarily pulled the wool over all the discerning buyers/riders in either generation. "I want a bike that costs no more than 30x minimum hourly wage." There will always be a product for that buyer. Is it the same product today that it was in 1980? Well, in 1980 we did not have widespread installation of TIG/GTAW welding machines, so the aluminum category has indeed improved quite a bit relative to the price. "fast,light,cheap: pick any two"
“Strong, light, cheap...”
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Originally Posted by BoraxKid
Let's see:
  • claiming older technology is better than anything new
  • claiming "no point" to new tech, while remaining completely ignorant to how new tech was created
  • completely ignorant of why there is demand for new tech
  • included mandatory xenophobic rant about "Chinese" manufacturing (while typing on a device that no doubt contains components made in China)
  • included mandatory derision towards "advertising"
  • implies self-superiority (because surely OP hasn't been "led by the nose" by those insidious "advertisers" right?)

okay, that's it. I scored a BOOMER BINGO!

where do I redeem my card?
pointing out the lady in China is exploited and used is not xenophobic. She would probably say the same if she were free to do so.
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A must watch

One of the best explanations ever. Pretty much sums it up, you can close the thread now.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
One thing I have some problem with is "newer is better". How about old houses that were built out of real 2x4s not the small board that pass for 2x4s these days.
As a finish carpenter and licensed contractor, houses are structurally built much much MUCH better now, and finished much much worse. The craftsmanship on the finish work of an old house can be unfathomably good while the foundation is carelessly done.

Also, houses aren't really built with 1.5"x 3.5" lumber anymore.
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Originally Posted by La Tortue
One of the best explanations ever. Pretty much sums it up, you can close the thread now. https://youtu.be/Jj0uBQ7j5c4
Now that is funny no matter who you are. OTOH it is really close to my point.
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I'm not going to read all the posts in the thread either; but hey 10 pages! Did anybody bring up 650B wheels?
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Not to weigh in too much on the silliest argument ever ("What is flat?"), but what the hell, why not.

To me, it really is how it's distributed, I don't think I'd even notice 70 feet per mile, especially if there was an equal descent. But if the 3000 feet were concentrated in a relatively small part of the route, then it would feel ljke I climbed somewhat.

My rides are always loops so the ascents and descents have to cancel each out mathematically. If it's a consistent 1-2% grade either way, that's not going to feel like significant climbing to me. I grew up in Minnesota, there were some good hills, but you had to deliberately ride to them.
"Flat" is what you're used to. Michigan is pretty flat, but not as flat as N. Indiana/Illinois, or Florida. To me, I don't think twice about 20-30 ft/mile but sure notice 40. If I lived somewhere there was actual mountains, 60-70 ft/mi might be the norm.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
I'm not going to read all the posts in the thread either; but hey 10 pages! Did anybody bring up 650B wheels?
Dude, Quiet!!!

Way too soon.

How are we going to reach 20 pages if we fire off all our ammo in the first ten?
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