Why is steel out of favour?
09-29-20, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Pure nonsense.
09-29-20, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
13 years from now carbon bikes being sold today won’t be rideable because so many parts are non-standard and the main areas of stress are quite questionable IMO. But great wall art.
This 32 year old C.F. bike is still on the road and going strong.
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
Not sure I would agree. The Columbus XCR tube set is fairly new. It is the only seamless, stainless steel tube set available and it is lighter and stronger than any metal tub set. Walls can be a thin as .4 mm. The Cicli Barco reviewd in the link is 17.7 lbs with Barco’s in house stainless fork. A carbon fork would probably bring it to flat 17. That bike is spec’d to the gills and came in at 12k. A new Trek Domane weighs 20lbs.
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09-30-20, 03:46 PM
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Some things do become unobtainium.
Originally Posted by Wileyone
Lots of Companies still make Italian BB also freewheels. Most high end bikes still use a 27.2 seat post size.
Not sure where you are getting your info from...
Not sure where you are getting your info from...
The seat post is 26.8. Those can be found.
The headset is Swiss as well, but I think a French will fit.
Oh yea, it is a Estermann. I think it was build in 1963. It was a state of the art sprint bike.
09-30-20, 07:59 PM
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Spoke to a custom builder in Queens NY today. Only works in steel, at least a one year wait, so I guess steel is in favor with some. He stressed at least one year.
10-01-20, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
Spoke to a custom builder in Queens NY today. Only works in steel, at least a one year wait, so I guess steel is in favor with some. He stressed at least one year.
10-01-20, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
And McDonald's makes the most hamburgers in the world ...
10-01-20, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
Spoke to a custom builder in Queens NY today. Only works in steel, at least a one year wait, so I guess steel is in favor with some. He stressed at least one year.
10-01-20, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnk3
Many of the well known custom steel frame makers in the US have long wait times, some even in years and a few are not even taking new orders. That is one of the reasons I chose Cicli Barco. Their turn around time was about 4 months. And, they do beautiful work at a far cheaper price than US builders.
10-01-20, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
I am speaking to Gianluca tomorrow. Did you go with their beautiful fork or carbon?
10-01-20, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
can you post a picture of the whole bike? I am looking at 3/4 paint job with the Cangiante paint.
By the way, Campy has a new 13 speed groupset with single chainring for gravel bikes it is called "Ekar."
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
I could be wrong, but I think it was due top the trade wars. Recent studies found that steel was vastly superior in downhill speed and major manufacturers were poised to shift the majority of their production to steel. No amount of pedaling could overcome this advantage. This coupled with e-assist for climbing made it a true win-win.
Maybe someday when things get back to normal.
John
Maybe someday when things get back to normal.
John
10-01-20, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnk3
Look at their Facebook page and Instagram pages for photos of all the XCr frames they have made. There are lots of options to consider. Barco can put together the whole bike for you as well. They gave me a very good price on Campy group set. I had them get WR Composoti CF parts ( made to order in Italy and available in matching paint if you want. WR makes CF parts for Ferrari and Lamborghini) WR makes wheels and bike frames and saddles as well as handlebars, stems and seatposts. Their prices are quite reasonable.
By the way, Campy has a new 13 speed groupset with single chainring for gravel bikes it is called "Ekar."
By the way, Campy has a new 13 speed groupset with single chainring for gravel bikes it is called "Ekar."
10-01-20, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jay4usc
Thats a gorgeous bike. What kind of steel is that and bikes total weight ?
That frame is Columbus XCR stainless but they do them in Spirit and steel/carbon tubing combinations as well. It is such a great story. Mom cuts and miters and dad and the uncle weld.
10-01-20, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jay4usc
Thats a gorgeous bike. What kind of steel is that and bikes total weight ?
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10-01-20, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jay4usc
Thats a gorgeous bike. What kind of steel is that and bikes total weight ?
My bike weighs 18.675 lbs with the pedals. It is a size 58.5 cm and has a stainless steel fork with a carbon fiber steering tube that is Barco's own design and invention. I could have cut off more weight by getting a carbon saddle and light weight wheels, but I weigh about 215 lbs and ride on some rough country roads with cattle guards, so delicate wheels were out of the question. .
10-01-20, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnk3
I went with the Viva fork with the carbon steering tube. It saves a lot of weight over the steel tube version. I also went with direct mount brakes which are a big improvement over regular rim brakes and far better looking than disc brakes( UGLY) far easier to maintain, and cheaper.
10-01-20, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnk3
The bike is made of TIG welded Columbus XCr stainless steel. It is one of Columbus's newest steels, only available for about 12 years and as steel tube sets go, it is pretty expensive, I believe the MSRP for a tube set is about $900. It is very thin, very strong, triple butted, cold drawn and seamless, not rolled and welded. It is made in Italy.
My bike weighs 18.675 lbs with the pedals. It is a size 58.5 cm and has a stainless steel fork with a carbon fiber steering tube that is Barco's own design and invention. I could have cut off more weight by getting a carbon saddle and light weight wheels, but I weigh about 215 lbs and ride on some rough country roads with cattle guards, so delicate wheels were out of the question. .
My bike weighs 18.675 lbs with the pedals. It is a size 58.5 cm and has a stainless steel fork with a carbon fiber steering tube that is Barco's own design and invention. I could have cut off more weight by getting a carbon saddle and light weight wheels, but I weigh about 215 lbs and ride on some rough country roads with cattle guards, so delicate wheels were out of the question. .
10-01-20, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Nice bike. As another option, a person could go for a tig-welded frame made of the latest heat-treated and air-hardened steel and a cf fork and get to within a pound of that weight -- and for a lot less money. Even lugged construction would get you there for less dough. But I admit that SS does have its appeal.
10-01-20, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20
The price of the frame is about $4,000 with that fork in XCR, correct?
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10-01-20, 06:53 PM
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[QUOTE=Johnk3;21723540]My frame was $3,600 including shipping, the Viva fork with CF steering tube, Chris King headset, direct mount brakes, name plaque, Italian shield, nickel head badge and extra paint colors. I'm not sure if I could have had any more options other than exotic paint. But, I ordered my frame almost a year ago so prices may have changed.[/
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