Lemond's new bikes!
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Lemond's new bikes!
The site for the new Lemond bikes, which are e-bikes, just went live, and they look really, really cool, IMO. The styling is unique and very progressive. I'm really impressed...however I'm not sure I'm ready to embrace e-bikes; I have a philosophical quandary over their appropriate use given how I ride regular bikes now. I dunno...I guess if I had $4.5k to throw down for a cycling experiment, I definitely would find out, because these new Lemonds are fascinating!
https://lemond.com/prolog
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Originally Posted by jon c.
I can't get to the Lemond site without encountering a security warning.
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Originally Posted by jon c.
I can't get to the Lemond site without encountering a security warning.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Considering this is his 5th or 6th business venture most of which have ended in litigation it's understandable.
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie
it does not say How the power is delivered is it a torque sensor or cadence? or some other system?
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Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
26 pounds! That is very impressive!
250 watts and 45mile range is not a lot of assist, but it is a pretty clean design for an e-bike.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
I’m not sure I understand the question, but the power is from a 250w rear hub motor, and it is a pedal-assist system.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
ebike wise the looks and weight are pretty impressive. 250watts IMO is kinda low power motor but for someone who is already a bike rider that's plenty. definitely would be sweet set up for someone who cant get out as much but have cycle nut friends and just needs some help keeping up.
I dont think the price is out of line with the weight being considered and components.
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Originally Posted by sloppy12
Its a hybrid. people that buy new hybrids and have lots of money will buy it.
ebike wise the looks and weight are pretty impressive. 250watts IMO is kinda low power motor but for someone who is already a bike rider that's plenty. definitely would be sweet set up for someone who cant get out as much but have cycle nut friends and just needs some help keeping up.
I dont think the price is out of line with the weight being considered and components.
ebike wise the looks and weight are pretty impressive. 250watts IMO is kinda low power motor but for someone who is already a bike rider that's plenty. definitely would be sweet set up for someone who cant get out as much but have cycle nut friends and just needs some help keeping up.
I dont think the price is out of line with the weight being considered and components.
I just don't know how much interest there is in a $4500 hybrid. Maybe its a huge market out there that im blind to..
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie
but how is it controlled. usually hub drives are controlled by cadence sensors. that makes them feel like a scooter. they go faster and faster till they hit their speed limit when your peddling at the same cadence. torque sensing adds more power when you pedal harder. it feels like a normal bike. you can spin at a even cadence and maintain whatever speed you want.
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A hub drive on that expensive of a bike is a bit off. I would rather have a Specialized Vado SL or Creo SL. Sure really solid parts spec until you hit the motor but the motor is a deal breaker for me mid drive or no drive thank you kindly.
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Originally Posted by veganbikes
A hub drive on that expensive of a bike is a bit off. I would rather have a Specialized Vado SL or Creo SL. Sure really solid parts spec until you hit the motor but the motor is a deal breaker for me mid drive or no drive thank you kindly.
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie
there are some high end hub drives that use torque sensors. so it might be pretty good. but it depends on how it is implemented. 250 watts is plenty on a mid drive but on a hub drive it is only light help but that's what type of the bike it is.
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Originally Posted by veganbikes
There are some slightly better hub drives but the whole concept is a bit outdated. If you are designing your own E-bike from the ground up why not use a mid drive motor? It can be quite clean and also prevent wheel issues and give you better power transfer. If I want light duty Mahle certainly makes a good mid-drive motor though it might be under strict usage from Specialized and not out for others to consume but Fazua has one and of course Bosch, Brose and Shimano also do some excellent mid-drives.
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie
but how is it controlled. usually hub drives are controlled by cadence sensors. that makes them feel like a scooter. they go faster and faster till they hit their speed limit when your peddling at the same cadence. torque sensing adds more power when you pedal harder. it feels like a normal bike. you can spin at a even cadence and maintain whatever speed you want.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Ah, I understand now. I did not know about those control types; I thought of pedal assist as being only torque sensor, so I appreciate you taking the time to educate me. I have virtually no ebike experience, and theo ly one I have ridden had a throttle and didn’t need pedaling at all. Thank you!
mid drives are a lot more efficient since they use the drive train and feel natural if they have torque sensing. my bosch even has a watt meter.
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