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Old 12-03-20, 01:05 PM
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Lemond's new bikes!

The site for the new Lemond bikes, which are e-bikes, just went live, and they look really, really cool, IMO. The styling is unique and very progressive. I'm really impressed...however I'm not sure I'm ready to embrace e-bikes; I have a philosophical quandary over their appropriate use given how I ride regular bikes now. I dunno...I guess if I had $4.5k to throw down for a cycling experiment, I definitely would find out, because these new Lemonds are fascinating!

https://lemond.com/prolog
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I can't get to the Lemond site without encountering a security warning.
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
I can't get to the Lemond site without encountering a security warning.
Considering this is his 5th or 6th business venture most of which have ended in litigation it's understandable.
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
I can't get to the Lemond site without encountering a security warning.
weird. I’ve gone on Macbook and iPad without issue. It’s probably your browser not recognizing the security certificate, so maybe see who issed it, run a web search to see it’s legit, and tell your browser to trust it.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
Considering this is his 5th or 6th business venture most of which have ended in litigation it's understandable.
lemond may be a sucker, but he’s no fool.
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it does not say How the power is delivered is it a torque sensor or cadence? or some other system?
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For real. If I can Tempo at 240w, bumping that up to nearly 500w would cover a lot of ground!
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
it does not say How the power is delivered is it a torque sensor or cadence? or some other system?
I’m not sure I understand the question, but the power is from a 250w rear hub motor, and it is a pedal-assist system.
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Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.

Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.

Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.

Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.


Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
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26 pounds! That is very impressive!
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
26 pounds! That is very impressive!
I think this is what divides this bike, at least for the time being, from others. If a gravel drop bar bike is offered at a mid-20’s weight with Di2 for $4500 he will probably get some takers.

250 watts and 45mile range is not a lot of assist, but it is a pretty clean design for an e-bike.

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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I’m not sure I understand the question, but the power is from a 250w rear hub motor, and it is a pedal-assist system.
but how is it controlled. usually hub drives are controlled by cadence sensors. that makes them feel like a scooter. they go faster and faster till they hit their speed limit when your peddling at the same cadence. torque sensing adds more power when you pedal harder. it feels like a normal bike. you can spin at a even cadence and maintain whatever speed you want.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.

Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.

Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.

Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.


Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
Its a hybrid. people that buy new hybrids and have lots of money will buy it.

ebike wise the looks and weight are pretty impressive. 250watts IMO is kinda low power motor but for someone who is already a bike rider that's plenty. definitely would be sweet set up for someone who cant get out as much but have cycle nut friends and just needs some help keeping up.

I dont think the price is out of line with the weight being considered and components.
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Originally Posted by sloppy12 View Post
Its a hybrid. people that buy new hybrids and have lots of money will buy it.

ebike wise the looks and weight are pretty impressive. 250watts IMO is kinda low power motor but for someone who is already a bike rider that's plenty. definitely would be sweet set up for someone who cant get out as much but have cycle nut friends and just needs some help keeping up.

I dont think the price is out of line with the weight being considered and components.
I dont think the cost is bad, given the frame, wheels, and tech.
I just don't know how much interest there is in a $4500 hybrid. Maybe its a huge market out there that im blind to..
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
but how is it controlled. usually hub drives are controlled by cadence sensors. that makes them feel like a scooter. they go faster and faster till they hit their speed limit when your peddling at the same cadence. torque sensing adds more power when you pedal harder. it feels like a normal bike. you can spin at a even cadence and maintain whatever speed you want.
There are torque sensing bottom brackets. seems like for the level of bike they built it would be torque sensor. but its a good question. I would like to know that.
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A hub drive on that expensive of a bike is a bit off. I would rather have a Specialized Vado SL or Creo SL. Sure really solid parts spec until you hit the motor but the motor is a deal breaker for me mid drive or no drive thank you kindly.
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A hub drive on that expensive of a bike is a bit off. I would rather have a Specialized Vado SL or Creo SL. Sure really solid parts spec until you hit the motor but the motor is a deal breaker for me mid drive or no drive thank you kindly.
there are some high end hub drives that use torque sensors. so it might be pretty good. but it depends on how it is implemented. 250 watts is plenty on a mid drive but on a hub drive it is only light help but that's what type of the bike it is.
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
there are some high end hub drives that use torque sensors. so it might be pretty good. but it depends on how it is implemented. 250 watts is plenty on a mid drive but on a hub drive it is only light help but that's what type of the bike it is.
There are some slightly better hub drives but the whole concept is a bit outdated. If you are designing your own E-bike from the ground up why not use a mid drive motor? It can be quite clean and also prevent wheel issues and give you better power transfer. If I want light duty Mahle certainly makes a good mid-drive motor though it might be under strict usage from Specialized and not out for others to consume but Fazua has one and of course Bosch, Brose and Shimano also do some excellent mid-drives.
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There are some slightly better hub drives but the whole concept is a bit outdated. If you are designing your own E-bike from the ground up why not use a mid drive motor? It can be quite clean and also prevent wheel issues and give you better power transfer. If I want light duty Mahle certainly makes a good mid-drive motor though it might be under strict usage from Specialized and not out for others to consume but Fazua has one and of course Bosch, Brose and Shimano also do some excellent mid-drives.
mid drives are complex and take a lot of engineering to make them work well. plus they are not a sleek it would add bulk to the design. Fazua is the motor a bike that this would normally use. my bosch bike feels great if this bike does not feel as good I would not be happy.
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
but how is it controlled. usually hub drives are controlled by cadence sensors. that makes them feel like a scooter. they go faster and faster till they hit their speed limit when your peddling at the same cadence. torque sensing adds more power when you pedal harder. it feels like a normal bike. you can spin at a even cadence and maintain whatever speed you want.
Ah, I understand now. I did not know about those control types; I thought of pedal assist as being only torque sensor, so I appreciate you taking the time to educate me. I have virtually no ebike experience, and theo ly one I have ridden had a throttle and didn’t need pedaling at all. Thank you!
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.

Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.

Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.

Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.


Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
I don’t see geo charts, but sizing is S/M/L on Buy Now page.
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Ah, I understand now. I did not know about those control types; I thought of pedal assist as being only torque sensor, so I appreciate you taking the time to educate me. I have virtually no ebike experience, and theo ly one I have ridden had a throttle and didn’t need pedaling at all. Thank you!
torque sensors are usually only on the name brand bikes with mid drives there are others but that's the norm. some mid drives have them but its not usual. there area few high end hub drives they are usually on pretty high end bikes. this vbrand is one https://www.stromerbike.com/en/swiss-technology#Power
mid drives are a lot more efficient since they use the drive train and feel natural if they have torque sensing. my bosch even has a watt meter.
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