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Old 02-23-21, 12:20 AM
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Is it hard to get full blown schematics ?

So something Iím looking at is getting some schematics to study on and get a better understanding of individual bikes
is this a concept already?
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Originally Posted by justinschulz9 View Post
So something Iím looking at is getting some schematics to study on and get a better understanding of individual bikes
is this a concept already?
Iím not sure I understand what youíre asking about.
Itís common to find geometry charts detailing the angles and (virtual) tube lengths of frames.
For hubs there are often Ēexploded viewsĒ that also serve as spare parts lists. Sometimes even service/assembly instructions.
Iíve seen good exploded views on Campy shifters.
Some assemblies are considered Ēnot rebuildableĒ by the manufacturers, and may not have any published schematics. Many Shimano shifters have the actual shifting mechanism, with the pawls and the ratchets, riveted together for instance. AFAIK, if you want to take something like that apart, youíre on your own. Unless you find some Youtube or aftermarket material on how to fix it.
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geez, this is a broad question. schematics of what, specifically?

some manufacturers provide exploded views of items. others don't. your target is too broad.
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Bicycles are component systems. If you want a schematic of a particular component, check the component manufacturer's website for whatever model component you have.
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A lot of Shimano components have exploded drawings. Is this something you want?
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Bike frames are made of
Aluminum, Titanium, Iron, Carbon (fibre), Magnesium, wood, or bamboo.
Maybe this helps

Wood and bamboo aren't on this schematic. The metals are also alloys. The carbon frames use numerous other ingredients to hold it together. But this is a starting point of basic ingredients.
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@mack_turtle you got a part number and compatibility chart for that hyperdrive core? I need one on every bike! Yesterday.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Bike frames are made of
Aluminum, Titanium, Iron, Carbon (fibre), Magnesium, wood, or bamboo.
Maybe this helps

Wood and bamboo aren't on this schematic. The metals are also alloys. The carbon frames use numerous other ingredients to hold it together. But this is a starting point of basic ingredients.
Wood and bamboo are on that schematic. Every bit of matter in the universe is on that schematic. Wood and bamboo...chemically identical for all practical purposes...is just carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Some assembly required.
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Universe? - hardly.
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While not in response to the OP’s question, is there a way to get exploded views/parts lists of current Shimano components?

As an example, the old Shimano Tech Docs site provided a .pdf of the component, like a freehub, with a parts list but I can’t find an exploded .pdf view of a new version of the same component. There are just user guides.

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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Universe? - hardly.
Yup. Universe. Of course, thatís the hard bits of the universe.
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Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
Must be a crabon fibre bike that asploded.
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
While not in response to the OPís question, is there a way to get exploded views/parts lists of current Shimano components?

As an example, the old Shimano Tech Docs site provided a .pdf of the component, like a freehub, with a parts list but I canít find an exploded .pdf view of a new version of the same component. There are just user guides.

John
si.shimano.com gives shimano latest tech docs and part numbers.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Yup. Universe. Of course, thatís the hard bits of the universe.
You hugely overestimate Human Knowledge.
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To @justinschulz9
What useful knowledge would a new cyclist learn from schematics?

Rather than schematics, a book like this would be your best friend.

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You hugely overestimate Human Knowledge.
Not really. Every element on the periodic table can be seen in the spectra of stars. The nature of the elements also donít allow for any elements in between the elements we already know. No element between two elements is possible. There canít be an element between aluminum (13 protons) and silicon (14 protons), for example, because there is no such thing as half a proton. There may be heavier elements that arenít on the periodic table but, so far, all the ones discovered are highly unstable and split into something else very rapidly.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Bike frames are made of
Aluminum, Titanium, Iron, Carbon (fibre), Magnesium, wood, or bamboo.
Maybe this helps

Wood and bamboo aren't on this schematic. The metals are also alloys. The carbon frames use numerous other ingredients to hold it together. But this is a starting point of basic ingredients.
I don't see drillium and unobtainium on the chart.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Every bit of matter in the universe is on that schematic.
Of course, you can't know that. And I really like your posts (99.9995% of the time). Of course, I estimated that figure, because I haven't seen enough of your posts to calculate.

EDIT: I expected the OP to have been asking about Di2 or some electronic gizmo.
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Originally Posted by onsay99 View Post
si.shimano.com gives shimano latest tech docs and part numbers.
Thanks!

I feel stupid for not already knowing about that main Shimano tech site.

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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Not really. Every element on the periodic table can be seen in the spectra of stars. The nature of the elements also donít allow for any elements in between the elements we already know. No element between two elements is possible. There canít be an element between aluminum (13 protons) and silicon (14 protons), for example, because there is no such thing as half a proton. There may be heavier elements that arenít on the periodic table but, so far, all the ones discovered are highly unstable and split into something else very rapidly.
Let me re-phrase = You massively overestimate Human Knowledge, but not Human Self-Pride.

Believing everything you can theorize, is the first step to delusion and entitlement.
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Let me re-phrase = You massively overestimate Human Knowledge, but not Human Self-Pride.

Believing everything you can theorize, is the first step to delusion and entitlement.
Just because we humans don’t know everything doesn’t mean that humans don’t know anything. We know what elements are. We know how they interact. We even know a whole lot about how they are formed from hydrogen within stars. Everywhere we look...both on earth and outside of it..., the elements that are in the periodic table are present.

Believing nothing is the first step to ignorance.
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
Of course, you can't know that. And I really like your posts (99.9995% of the time). Of course, I estimated that figure, because I haven't seen enough of your posts to calculate.

EDIT: I expected the OP to have been asking about Di2 or some electronic gizmo.
Again, yes we can. “Matter” is the material substance of the observable universe. Another way of describing it is that it is a substance which has mass and volume. Everywhere you look, there is matter and all of it is composed of the elements of the periodic table. If you know of some material that isn’t on the periodic table, please present evidence of it and how it fits in the current table. There may be some elements off the end of that table but they are going to be rare enough to ignore. They are likely too unstable to exist outside of a very brief period of time.

Even subatomic particles are part of the periodic table since protons, neutrons, and electrons are taken into account. Protons are the atomic number, neutrons (along with protons) are responsible for the atomic weight, and electrons (equals to protons) are responsible for the atom’s interaction with other atoms.

But, outside of a few ephemeral heavy elements, all matter in the Universe is contained within that table. All kinds of combinations of those elements can result in some very strange bits of matter but that doesn’t invalidate the elements in the periodic table. The weird bits are still made of the known bits.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
A lot of Shimano components have exploded drawings. Is this something you want?
That's pretty funny, so they give you an exploded drawing of all the spare parts they have no intention of providing for you should you need them.
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