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Old 02-26-21, 01:26 PM
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"Begasso" - Oh, China...

You wouldn't believe the quality of the "Begasso" bikes being sold on Amazon. It's a spritely 40 pound road bike they are getting $180 for. It's hilarious how bad they are, and how blatant the black market Shimano parts are... We had two of these come in to be built for a customer. Neither could be made to run anywhere near correctly (rear dropouts offset so that the derailleur wouldn't run). I did find the markings epic however! Come on China, you're not even trying anymore!

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Originally Posted by La Brea Bike View Post
You wouldn't believe the quality of the "Begasso" bikes being sold on Amazon. It's a spritely 40 pound road bike they are getting $180 for. It's hilarious how bad they are, and how blatant the black market Shimano parts are... We had two of these come in to be built for a customer. Neither could be made to run anywhere near correctly (rear dropouts offset so that the derailleur wouldn't run). I did find the markings epic however! Come on China, you're not even trying anymore!
Excellent - there's a line of sports clothing out there with a vaguely Under Armor-ish logo and the name Uncle Martian. I really want some Uncle Martian gear....
What I don't understand is the misspelling of, for example, "SHIMANO" as "SIHMANO" or "SHIMENG" - is this just plain sloppiness or a calculated approach to keep Shimano from going after them? Do they have some sort of legal defense if they're selling componentry under "SIHMANO" vs "SHIMANO"? If you're ripping off legit companies, why not go all in?

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Old 02-26-21, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
Excellent - there's a line of sports clothing out there with a vaguely Under Armor-ish logo and the name Uncle Martian. I really want some Uncle Martian gear....
What I don't understand is the misspelling of, for example, "SHIMANO" as "SIHMANO" or "SHIMENG" - is this just plain sloppiness or a calculated approach to keep Shimano from going after them? Do they have some sort of legal defense if they're selling componentry under "SIHMANO" vs "SHIMANO"? If you're ripping off legit companies, why not go all in?
I think it's sloppiness. I mean, "Comb ass" vs. "Compass"?
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
What I don't understand is the misspelling of, for example, "SHIMANO" as "SIHMANO" or "SHIMENG" - is this just plain sloppiness or a calculated approach to keep Shimano from going after them? Do they have some sort of legal defense if they're selling componentry under "SIHMANO" vs "SHIMANO"? If you're ripping off legit companies, why not go all in?
It's quite possible they are hoping to avoid trademark infringement. I am not well versed in TM law to opine on whether what they are doing is kosher, but I have a feeling it's not, especially since they are trying to copy the look.
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This is just head shakingly stupid. I hate that the barrier to entry for quality equipment in this hobby is so high, but this sort of crap helps show that there is not a lot of room to push the barrier lower before you end up with junk like in the pics.
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I'm amused there is a Compass ripoff. That's a pretty niche brand to be copying. I think I would have gone with Shcwalbe

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That reminds me, my new "Evne" rims should be arriving today...
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I'm curious what you ended up telling the customer.
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I'm curious what you ended up telling the customer.
We told him to send them back to the sewer they were shipped from.
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it'd be LOL to see another chineze company rip off of another cheapese company, like SHENZHEN - HIMNZHEN or ICAN - ICANT
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Any thoughts on the new SPAM Der eTarp group? Thinking of building up a Skrow-S frame.

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i'd opt for scampagnolo.
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I always bought cheap bikes only <$300 in the Asian market.
Definitely ignore "Begasso" brand. Horrendously overpriced for the dirt cheap build. They love building stuff with lots of parts you won't ever need for the price like full suspension folding mountain bike!

The only reliable enough cheap brands from China are Trinx, Foxter, Phantom, Keysto, Battle, Spanker, and Sunspeed. Probably not everything in there. At least they're honest about their parts and their frames are decent enough for future upgrades. Their bikes in the >$400 price range will be equipped with decent groupsets, often with higher quality components at the pricepoint compared to American counterparts. The Trinx brand offers the best warranty of those and definitely worth considering.
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This is just head shakingly stupid. I hate that the barrier to entry for quality equipment in this hobby is so high, but this sort of crap helps show that there is not a lot of room to push the barrier lower before you end up with junk like in the pics.
Brand new maybe, but if you have the patience you can find quality used bikes at reasonable prices. Better to buy a quality second hand bike than a rubbish new bike.
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I'm thankful I don't have to feed at that level of the pond. I hope I could find another way to spend my time.
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Wow that is a quality bike. Yan Heiney makes some great tires and Shimengus De2s is the best drivetrain because it has the elunktronics gear changers unless you get Cameranolos which are made in Ertaly. Conetenontals are good tires two but avoid the Skwhalebees as those are to slow.

It reminds me of this:
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I've always wanted to own a Chinarello Dogpoo, just for ***** n giggles... if I ever see such a thing in any local store.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I always bought cheap bikes only <$300 in the Asian market.
The only reliable enough cheap brands from China are Trinx, Foxter, Phantom, Keysto, Battle, Spanker, and Sunspeed. Probably not everything in there. At least they're honest about their parts and their frames are decent enough for future upgrades. Their bikes in the >$400 price range will be equipped with decent groupsets, often with higher quality components at the pricepoint compared to American counterparts. The Trinx brand offers the best warranty of those and definitely worth considering.
Actually, a Spanker would be kinda cool.
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You guys should see my new Terk bike.
Maybe the guys from Wayne’s World could sell Schwing?

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Anyone know if this sensor works with the 2021.5 Truk Mundane with the gorilla composite frame? Not sure how to mount it? Any experts with how to mount it?
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Actually, a Spanker would be kinda cool.
Cool name, lol! I forgot about "Battle" brand. One of their road models are selling for $600 with 105 groupset brand new.

They tend to be quite well specced for the price and they don't use fake parts.

Ironically, our used bike market is doing a lot worse. Used bikes are selling for nearly the price of brand new. It's ridiculous! So I'd rather buy brand new from decent enough China brands. Chinese alloy frames are actually pretty good from those brands I mentioned even the budget ones. If not light, at least they're quite durable. So if you're here with a budget of at least $600 for a new bike, you'll have plenty of well-specced models to choose from!
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Cool name, lol! I forgot about "Battle" brand. One of their road models are selling for $600 with 105 groupset brand new.

They tend to be quite well specced for the price and they don't use fake parts.
Can you be sure the parts aren't fake though? I've seen some videos made featuring fake Shimano parts, and to an untrained eye they looked real enough, as long as they're not inspected side by side with the genuine products.
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