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Look Keo versus Delta

Old 03-07-21, 10:37 PM
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Look Keo versus Delta

Have cycled on Deltas for decades and switched to Keos with the new bike. Clipping into the Deltas was always a snap. The Keos with the rubberized anti-slip guards, take considerably more effort to engage and disengage from. It’s not like I haven’t clipped in and out several thousand times to get it down, but I find the Keos much more finicky to get in and sometimes out of because they sometimes catch.

Is this because I bought the more expensive anti-slip grip type and the regular type are a breeze or are the Keos just a poor design? I have the carbon and a bit heavier versions and both can be pains. I also have the tensions far looser than my Deltas just to aid ingress and egress
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Old 03-07-21, 10:55 PM
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I just recently got a set of the standard ones without the non-slip rubber bits, having been on the rubbers for about 5 years. I don’t notice a major difference, maybe slightly less grip between clear and pedal, but I can’t say I ever noticed the issues with disengagement you’re describing. I went from Look delta in my younger days, to 2-bolt spd for several years, then to Keo, never struggled with getting out.
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Old 03-08-21, 10:32 AM
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Interesting. Might be something having to do with my Specialized shoes/cleat/pedal
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Old 03-08-21, 11:03 AM
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It might have more to do with actual pedal than the clip style.

Last year I got a set of power meter pedals (Assioma DUO), they use the Keo style clips. Like you, I felt they were more "finicky" than the previous Delta style I had.
But the issue was not the cleat style, it is that the pedal will spin so freely that if you just touch them while trying to clip in and miss, they will spin 3-4 times before they stop so you can try again. If you hit the pedal right the first time they clip in no problem.

This excessive spinning is caused by two issues, the good quality free spinning bearings, and the balance/weight distribution of the pedal.

If this is the case with your pedals, you can try packing a little more (and/or thicker) grease in the pedal to tighten it up. In the bearings if they are loose ball bearings, in the shaft if they are sealed bearings. This will generally require taking the pedals apart, so it may not be a practical solution for all...

The other issue was the placement of the shoe/cleat in relation to the pedal when clipping in. For the first month I had to be very deliberate to "un-learn" the previous clip-in placement, and learn the new placement location. It's is surprising how persistent that kind of muscle memory can be before you break the habit.
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Old 05-06-21, 10:02 AM
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Look Keo, Cont’d.

After clipping in my right pedal when stopped, I have one H of a time engaging my left pedal on the fly. With the Deltas this was never an issue. Half the time when I try to clip in, I flip the KEO upside down which seldom happened with the Deltas. It may be that the Deltas have more weight on the rear of the pedal so they don’t flip like the KEOs or it maybe that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Seriously considering going back to Deltas. Am I the only one that thinks the new ones are more difficult to clip on the fly compared to the Deltas?

(Postscript: unclipping is no longer an issue with the KEOs. Believe they needed to be worn down to make it easy)
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Old 05-06-21, 10:50 AM
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Re: weighting of pedals for easy pickup. I don't know the KEOs adnd have little difficulty with my Forte/Wellgo DELTA standard pedals and cleats. But I also ride fix gear with the Shimano 600 semi-platform pedals and toeclips. They have the small Campagnolo-like pick-up tabs on the back of the rattrap. With cycling shoes and the old aluminum slotted cleats, pick-up on a fast start-up in traffic is difficult. I add big steel tabs roughly the size of the tabs on the old Leotard platforms. That helps a lot, except - the weight of those tabs levels out the pedal making the flip up much harder to do and the result is that when I slide my foot forward, the pedal noses down and I hit the toeclip instead of sliding under.

My remedy has been to replace one of the toeclip bolts with a much longer one and secure two big, heavy washers (and a couple of smaller ones to get the hole size down). This means the pedals reliably hang front down and do a reliable flip up when I hit the tab making for pickups first or second try almost every time (without looking).

Modern pedals have far fewer fasteners, etc.making modification a lot harder and of course, no one wants to forego their warranty but it might just be that a few grams of properly located weight might make you life a lot better. As far as the weight/energy cost equation goes - for my fix gears? Those washers and the inch and a half of 1/2 x 1/8 steel flatbar are real weight but ... one blown pedal pick-up after a fix gear stop on a steep hill (for a flat, to help someone ...) will cost my legs more than an extra 5 pounds on the bike for a 100 mile day. Easily.
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Old 05-06-21, 04:47 PM
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Ingenious solution.

I’ll see if any KEO users chime in too.
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Im still using Deltas -- no need to keep using the KEO's if tey are a pain for you --- with how many thousands of Delta style pedals made, im sure the platform will be supported another couple of decades
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Old 05-06-21, 08:44 PM
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Long time delta user, PP396 and the Dura Ace and Ultegra version. Have 2 sets of Keo 2 Max pedals now with shoes that use the gray grip cleat and non-grip cleat. All perform equally well.

I really think it may be your shoes.
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Originally Posted by gkamieneski View Post
Long time delta user, PP396 and the Dura Ace and Ultegra version. Have 2 sets of Keo 2 Max pedals now with shoes that use the gray grip cleat and non-grip cleat. All perform equally well.

I really think it may be your shoes.
Interesting. I did switch from SIDIs to Specialized shoes. As a trial, I switched back to Deltas tonight, and will see if it makes any difference with the shoes.

good to hear you are having no issues, so it may be the old dog after all...or the dog shoes. We shall see
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Old 05-20-21, 10:48 PM
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Switched pedals and cleats back to Deltas and life is good. The KEOs are super light but they are so light they dont back weight enough and flip over too easily for me.
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Old 05-20-21, 10:51 PM
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I switched to Keos about 3 years ago, didn't notice a difference. shrug.
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Which version of Keo pedal do you have? There are differences. I have 2 bikes equipped with the original Keo carbon pedals and they are easier to clip into than the Keo2max pedals I have on a third bike. The Keo carbons hang at a different angle than the Keo2max. I have never tried the Keo blades with the carbon spring but I imagine that they are different again

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Originally Posted by alcjphil View Post
Which version of Keo pedal do you have? There are differences. I have 2 bikes equipped with the original Keo carbon pedals and they are easier to clip into than the Keo2max pedals I have on a third bike. The Keo carbons hand at a different angle than the Keo2max. I have never tried the Keo blades with the carbon spring but I imagine that they are different again
Have the KEO carbons and the 1 step down non-carbons. They are a year old. Am starting to think it is me, but zero probs immediately clicking into my Deltas on the fly. When stopped I can easily click into my right pedal but when moving, getting into the left one is the issue. The KEO cleats have the rubber bumpers which may be part of the issue.
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Old 05-22-21, 01:23 AM
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My Look Keo pedals/cleats are pretty much like my Shimano SPD-SL. I found it helped to wax the contact surfaces on the pedals and cleats. I used soft candle wax - leftover scented candle wax is pretty soft. I just scrape it with a finger and smear it on the friction surfaces. Slicked up the friction points enough to make it easier to clip in/out while the surfaces wore in naturally with use.
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