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Originally Posted by idrum4u
(Post 21979246)
I have been in the bicycle industry since 1977 and DO NOT like presta valves. I keep having to reach for an adaptor.
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schrader valves over presta valves
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 21973682)
Never really had issues with Presta, put the pump head on correctly and pull it right off without wiggling or jiggling and I don't need a cap if I don't want or if I lose one. Yeah sure other stuff may not use the valve but that doesn't mean a ton. Different valves for different applications.
Originally Posted by Bluesfrog
(Post 21974019)
I despise the Presta. They were invented by the devil. I have two hand pumps the purportedly work for both but they give me trouble on Prestas. I change my tubes to schrader when I have reason to change tire or tube. If the Presta work for you I have no problem with it. I just prefer all schraders. But Be Well, Bluesfrog
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Shrader high psi.
If you think you are losing pressure through a shrader valve, you can loosen and retighten the core. Or you can remove the core to blow any FOD out and reinstall.
On a shrader valve stem... ditch the stupid black plastic cap. The good caps are made of brass and have a little rubber seal inside. Put a tiny bit of atf/motor oil/power steering fluid in that cap and install the cap. After that it’s practically impossible for it to leak out the stem core. Shrader goes to 500psi in HVAC, 105psi on tractor trailers. Bigger shrader goes to 150psi on tophandlers, 35k forklifts. If I remember right, shrader is on motorcycle shocks to charge with nitrogen. Zero experience with Presta- just clarifying any ideas that shrader is inferior for high psi. |
Originally Posted by SkinGriz
(Post 21980215)
Zero experience with Presta- just clarifying any ideas that shrader is inferior for high psi.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 21980561)
Presta is easier to pump to high pressure with a hand pump as there's no valve spring to fight.
The pressure in the tire is what you are "fighting". |
Originally Posted by idrum4u
(Post 21979246)
I have been in the bicycle industry since 1977 and DO NOT like presta valves. I keep having to reach for an adaptor.
Lots of people, the vast majority, maybe, in the bicycle industry appear to have no issues with Presta valves. The problem might not be with Presta valves. |
Originally Posted by sacr
(Post 21979564)
some like the schrader because they can use them at gas stations to fill up?
(You can get a schrader adapter for Presta.) |
Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 21980587)
People ride bicycles for exercise but can't use a floor pump.
(You can get a schrader adapter for Presta.) well, strange as it seems years ago bicycles came with Dunlop valves and ridiculous frame hand pumps with rubber hose attachments that quickly leaked and made pumping up tyres a chore. A shop style floor pump wasn’t even available in this country(aus) so people who road bikes for transport would go with the Schraeder tubes so they could easily inflate them at gas stations |
Originally Posted by sacr
(Post 21980667)
well, strange as it seems years ago bicycles came with Dunlop valves and ridiculous frame hand pumps with rubber hose attachments that quickly leaked and made pumping up tyres a chore. A shop style floor pump wasn’t even available in this country(aus) so people who road bikes for transport would go with the Schraeder tubes so they could easily inflate them at gas stations
Most people here are carrying (should be carrying) something to inflate their tires. And they are likey riding for recreation or exercise. The "bikes for transport" likely typically had wide tires and were often ridden with under-inflated tires. |
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 21980561)
Presta is easier to pump to high pressure with a hand pump as there's no valve spring to fight.
Because I'm a curious character, I just measured the cracking force of a schrader valve to be about 13 ounces, and the valve seat diameter to be about 0.08 inches. It would take about 160 PSI to blow it open with pressure from the pump. So there's a little nub in the pump head that pushes the pin when you attach the head. |
Same for me i would go for the option of biying instead of drilling but i think i could see myself doing that too😂
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Originally Posted by Gresp15C
(Post 21980977)
The pump head pushes on the little pin, and holds the valve open during inflation.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 21981141)
You're right, of course. I didn't think that through very well. I'll blame it on lack of caffeine.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 21980688)
Ancient history?
Most people here are carrying (should be carrying) something to inflate their tires. And they are likey riding for recreation or exercise. The "bikes for transport" likely typically had wide tires and were often ridden with under-inflated tires. |
with the warm season here, it'll deflate rather quickly like a snapped off presta pintle.
With a presta valve setup & no pump, you could stow two 12g cartridges that will "blow" past the valve. Should net you 90 psi in the tube. |
Originally Posted by Gresp15C
(Post 21980977)
The pump head pushes on the little pin, and holds the valve open during inflation.
Because I'm a curious character, I just measured the cracking force of a Presta valve to be about 13 ounces, and the valve seat diameter to be about 0.08 inches. It would take about 160 PSI to blow it open with pressure from the pump. So there's a little nub in the pump head that pushes the pin when you attach the head. Also, I can report that there was a brief fad among the fellow racers in my home town, back in the mid-1960s, of snapping off the exposed portion of the inner core of the Presta valves of their latex-tubed tubular tires. Why, you ask? So that they wouldn't have to keep unscrewing and rescrewing the knurled tip for the daily task of reinflating the tires. And also, and probably more importantly, come to think of it, they did it to avoid the common spectacle of the handle of a Silca hand pump launching a good 50 or 60 feet in the air after inadvertently nudging the knurled tip of the valve, instantly blasting all the tire pressure into the pump. That fad lasted until the first time one of them had a flat and the valve core disappeared irretrievably into the tire's innards. |
Originally Posted by Trakhak
(Post 21981460)
If that's the case, why do I often have to "burp" the Presta valve after my first attempt at inflation with a floor pump fails? The gauge shows that air in the hose reached some astronomical pressure, and yet the valve refuses to open, nub or no nub.
Also, I can report that there was a brief fad among the fellow racers in my home town, back in the mid-1960s, of snapping off the exposed portion of the inner core of the Presta valves of their latex-tubed tubular tires. Why, you ask? So that they wouldn't have to keep unscrewing and rescrewing the knurled tip for the daily task of reinflating the tires. And also, and probably more importantly, come to think of it, they did it to avoid the common spectacle of the handle of a Silca hand pump launching a good 50 or 60 feet in the air after inadvertently nudging the knurled tip of the valve, instantly blasting all the tire pressure into the pump. That fad lasted until the first time one of them had a flat and the valve core disappeared irretrievably into the tire's innards. |
After this thread finally expires around December 2021, another thread will be started about: "valve stem caps vs no valve stem caps".
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November 2021 -
- - General -- "Are smooth valve stems unmanly?" |
On a related note, I'm looking for a small pump to carry along that has both a presta and schrader head (like my floor pump) any recommendations?
My tires are all presta, but my airshocks are schrader. Also, it seems bikes around here are about 50/50 and I like to be able to help people if they have flats. |
Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane
(Post 21982376)
On a related note, I'm looking for a small pump to carry along that has both a presta and schrader head (like my floor pump) any recommendations?
My tires are all presta, but my airshocks are schrader. Also, it seems bikes around here are about 50/50 and I like to be able to help people if they have flats. https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Schra.../dp/B01M3XXRMM ACE stocks the SLIME brand. |
If I lived in a city and had a nice fat tired bike I'd want Schrader valves.
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Originally Posted by sacr
(Post 21981336)
Okay, perhaps you have learnt something or not, before you jump in with your criticism next time, look at the big picture of how people use bikes......everywhere. Many people here( it is the www) preferred the schraeder simply because it offers them the convenience of using gas station air( of course we are not talking about serious Tour de France wannabes) but this forum isnt just for those is it?
How hard or inconvenient is using a pump? |
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