Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > General Cycling Discussion
Reload this Page >

Geez... China's hits keep on coming...

Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Geez... China's hits keep on coming...

Old 04-10-21, 06:25 PM
  #1  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Geez... China's hits keep on coming...

Brand new bike, brand withheld to protect the guilty. Chain would get thrown off the chainwheel in 1 and 2... How the...


Last edited by La Brea Bike; 04-10-21 at 07:11 PM. Reason: Better Pic
La Brea Bike is online now  
Old 04-10-21, 06:32 PM
  #2  
veganbikes
Clark W. Griswold
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ,location, location
Posts: 11,405

Bikes: Foundry Chilkoot Ti W/Ultegra Di2, Salsa Timberjack Ti, Cinelli Mash Work RandoCross Fun Time Machine, 1x9 XT Parts Hybrid, Co-Motion Cascadia, Specialized Langster, Phil Wood Apple VeloXS Frame (w/DA 7400), R+M Supercharger2 Rohloff, Habanero Ti 26

Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3528 Post(s)
Liked 2,847 Times in 1,908 Posts
Why would you want to protect this brand? They use cheap screws to hold onto chainrings.
veganbikes is offline  
Likes For veganbikes:
Old 04-10-21, 06:53 PM
  #3  
Wileyone1
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Those look like the screws I used for my last deck project.
Wileyone1 is offline  
Likes For Wileyone1:
Old 04-10-21, 07:02 PM
  #4  
70sSanO
Senior Member
 
70sSanO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Mission Viejo
Posts: 5,445

Bikes: 1986 Cannondale SR400 (Flat bar commuter), 1988 Cannondale Criterium XTR, 1992 Serotta T-Max, 1995 Trek 970

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1815 Post(s)
Liked 1,960 Times in 1,202 Posts
Looks like IKEA has jumped into the bike boom.

John
70sSanO is offline  
Likes For 70sSanO:
Old 04-10-21, 07:06 PM
  #5  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Y'all are missing the three "baby teeth" on that chainwheel...I cropped it more appropriately...

Last edited by La Brea Bike; 04-10-21 at 07:12 PM.
La Brea Bike is online now  
Likes For La Brea Bike:
Old 04-10-21, 07:20 PM
  #6  
AdkMtnMonster
Airplanes, bikes, beer.
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Off the front
Posts: 763

Bikes: Road bikes, mountain bikes, a cx bike, a gravel bike…

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 398 Post(s)
Liked 788 Times in 339 Posts
Looks like the stamper got a little too close to the next ring. Inverted stamped tooth profile is obvious.
AdkMtnMonster is offline  
Likes For AdkMtnMonster:
Old 04-10-21, 07:22 PM
  #7  
Troul 
:D
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 6,157

Bikes: RSO E-tire dropper fixie brifter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 2,177 Times in 1,457 Posts
kinda lost interest since IDK what brand it is.
__________________
-Oh Hey!
Troul is offline  
Old 04-10-21, 07:40 PM
  #8  
tyrion
Senior Member
 
tyrion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 3,862

Bikes: Velo Orange Piolet

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2093 Post(s)
Liked 1,720 Times in 837 Posts
Originally Posted by AdkMtnMonster View Post
Looks like the stamper got a little too close to the next ring. Inverted stamped tooth profile is obvious.
Worker got 9 chainrings out of a sheet of metal that most people can only get 8 out of.
tyrion is offline  
Likes For tyrion:
Old 04-10-21, 07:42 PM
  #9  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 15,284

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 120 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9629 Post(s)
Liked 6,015 Times in 3,461 Posts
Originally Posted by La Brea Bike View Post
Y'all are missing the three "baby teeth" on that chainwheel...I cropped it more appropriately...
Are they missing that, or did they see it along with other clearly low end level issue and just comment on the other issue?

It's low end either way. This isn't anything new- low priced cheap quality goods have been produced for decades.
You can blame the country of origin or you can blame the company that spec'd this level of component on their bike. The manufacturers simply build to the quality and price level that brands are willing to pay.
mstateglfr is offline  
Likes For mstateglfr:
Old 04-10-21, 07:46 PM
  #10  
Wileyone1
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Troul View Post
kinda lost interest since IDK what brand it is.
Don't worry things may get better soon.
Wileyone1 is offline  
Old 04-10-21, 07:47 PM
  #11  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 36,107
Mentioned: 205 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16632 Post(s)
Liked 11,721 Times in 5,610 Posts
Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
Looks like IKEA has jumped into the bike boom.

John
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-sladda-bikes
indyfabz is offline  
Likes For indyfabz:
Old 04-10-21, 07:56 PM
  #12  
jaxgtr
Senior Member
 
jaxgtr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 6,170

Bikes: Trek Domane SLR 7 eTap AXS, Trek Emonda ALR 6, Trek FX 5 Sport

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 517 Post(s)
Liked 1,078 Times in 654 Posts
Originally Posted by La Brea Bike View Post
Y'all are missing the three "baby teeth" on that chainwheel...I cropped it more appropriately...

LOL.... I was wondering..I what the first few post were talking about...I am like, what screws...
__________________
Brian | 2023 Trek Domane SLR 7 eTap AXS | 2016 Trek Emonda ALR 6 | 2022 Trek FX Sport 5
Originally Posted by AEO View Post
you should learn to embrace change, and mock it's failings every step of the way.

jaxgtr is offline  
Old 04-10-21, 08:31 PM
  #13  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Are they missing that, or did they see it along with other clearly low end level issue and just comment on the other issue?

It's low end either way. This isn't anything new- low priced cheap quality goods have been produced for decades.
You can blame the country of origin or you can blame the company that spec'd this level of component on their bike. The manufacturers simply build to the quality and price level that brands are willing to pay.
So... I'm going to stick to the China fingerpointing, I'm guessing I personally see ~8,000 unique bikes per year on average. Teeth of this shape are a first I have seen in four years of this volume. Oh; and I am a former Quality Manager for a car company. I'm sure you are an expert, but I doubt this met the contract specs.
La Brea Bike is online now  
Old 04-10-21, 08:36 PM
  #14  
Koyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6,659
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6047 Post(s)
Liked 9,150 Times in 3,951 Posts
You're blaming a country because something shoddy was produced within its borders? Well, by that standard, I've got a bone to pick with the United States over a certain pickup truck I once owned. I mean, that certainly seems reasonable.
Koyote is offline  
Likes For Koyote:
Old 04-10-21, 08:42 PM
  #15  
Gresp15C
Senior Member
 
Gresp15C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 3,817
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1036 Post(s)
Liked 619 Times in 397 Posts
Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
Worker got 9 chainrings out of a sheet of metal that most people can only get 8 out of.
That's how you lose body parts working on a punch press.
Gresp15C is offline  
Likes For Gresp15C:
Old 04-10-21, 08:44 PM
  #16  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
You're blaming a country because something shoddy was produced within its borders? Well, by that standard, I've got a bone to pick with the United States over a certain pickup truck I once owned. I mean, that certainly seems reasonable.
F-150... Yeah. You should complain. Sorry you're offended.
La Brea Bike is online now  
Old 04-10-21, 08:45 PM
  #17  
Koyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6,659
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6047 Post(s)
Liked 9,150 Times in 3,951 Posts
Originally Posted by La Brea Bike View Post
F-150... Yeah. You should complain. Sorry you're offended.
GMC Sierra 1500, actually. And yes, I am offended by illogical statements.
Koyote is offline  
Old 04-10-21, 08:51 PM
  #18  
The Chemist
Senior Member
 
The Chemist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 833

Bikes: 2011 Giant FCR3500 // 2008 Dahon Boardwalk

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked 321 Times in 162 Posts
As someone who actually lives in China, I will be the first to admit that there's a lot of junk produced here. But there's also a lot of high quality stuff produced here too. I have a Chinese crank, bottom bracket, and chainring on my bike and they're all very good quality, with no issues in several thousand kilometres of riding.
The Chemist is offline  
Likes For The Chemist:
Old 04-10-21, 08:55 PM
  #19  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 15,284

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 120 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9629 Post(s)
Liked 6,015 Times in 3,461 Posts
Originally Posted by La Brea Bike View Post
So... I'm going to stick to the China fingerpointing, I'm guessing I personally see ~8,000 unique bikes per year on average. Teeth of this shape are a first I have seen in four years of this volume. Oh; and I am a former Quality Manager for a car company. I'm sure you are an expert, but I doubt this met the contract specs.
For sure it didn't meet the contract specs. When lowest quality and cost are the deciding factor, qc suffers.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 04-10-21, 08:56 PM
  #20  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
GMC Sierra 1500, actually. And yes, I am offended by illogical statements.
Illogical... OK, let's just say that as the Covid Bike Boom has rolled out, I have seen more and more crazy stuff coming out of China. Bikes with ridiculous black market fake parts, frames welded in such a way that a drive train wouldn't work, in fact we have been tasked with building bikes in the last few months that couldn't even be rideable., and this type of stuff. Not sure your angle, but they are ripping people off right now.
La Brea Bike is online now  
Old 04-10-21, 08:58 PM
  #21  
Troul 
:D
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 6,157

Bikes: RSO E-tire dropper fixie brifter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 2,177 Times in 1,457 Posts
If the standards for manufacturing and wages were close, I'd bet the local dollar store would be selling the same quality of parts. Thankfully the profit isn't there for the dollar stores. Shoemano 53.5T/47.25T $0.99 + tax !
__________________
-Oh Hey!
Troul is offline  
Old 04-10-21, 08:58 PM
  #22  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by The Chemist View Post
As someone who actually lives in China, I will be the first to admit that there's a lot of junk produced here. But there's also a lot of high quality stuff produced here too. I have a Chinese crank, bottom bracket, and chainring on my bike and they're all very good quality, with no issues in several thousand kilometres of riding.
For sure there is great stuff made too. We are just seeing a raft of garbage more frequently right now. People desperate for bikes are getting taken.

Last edited by La Brea Bike; 04-10-21 at 09:18 PM.
La Brea Bike is online now  
Old 04-10-21, 09:17 PM
  #23  
Koyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6,659
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6047 Post(s)
Liked 9,150 Times in 3,951 Posts
Originally Posted by La Brea Bike View Post
Illogical... OK, let's just say that as the Covid Bike Boom has rolled out, I have seen more and more crazy stuff coming out of China. Bikes with ridiculous black market fake parts, frames welded in such a way that a drive train wouldn't work, in fact we have been tasked with building bikes in the last few months that couldn't even be rideable., and this type of stuff. Not sure your angle, but they are ripping people off right now.
I'm not disputing your experience; I'm stating that blaming badly made bike parts on "China" is nonsensical. China is a country - not a company or a factory.

Whatever factory in China built that shoddy chainring did so under contract to some firm (perhaps even - gasp! - a US-based company!) that contracted for it - and ordered, took delivery of, and shipped, a bike with the shoddy chainring. And they did so because apparently there are consumers who will pay for them. But you prefer to blame a country.

Sending this message from my iPhone, which is an amazing piece of hardware and is built in China.
Koyote is offline  
Likes For Koyote:
Old 04-10-21, 09:29 PM
  #24  
La Brea Bike 
RaleighHouse Hoser
Thread Starter
 
La Brea Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 458

Bikes: 02 Litespeed Ultimate, 84 & 85 Raleigh Grand Prix, '84 Raleigh Prestige, 85 Raleigh 555 RSL, '20 Raleigh Tamland, 38 Raleigh, 85 Landshark "Raleigh", '84 Marinoni Levi's Raleigh, SB4484, SB7979, Raleigh SSCXWC, 87 Raleigh USA 531 Prototype

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 139 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
I'm not disputing your experience; I'm stating that blaming badly made bike parts on "China" is nonsensical. China is a country - not a company or a factory.

Whatever factory in China built that shoddy chainring did so under contract to some firm (perhaps even - gasp! - a US-based company!) that contracted for it - and ordered, took delivery of, and shipped, a bike with the shoddy chainring. And they did so because apparently there are consumers who will pay for them. But you prefer to blame a country.

Sending this message from my iPhone, which is an amazing piece of hardware and is built in China.
Whatever dude. Ethics say you do the right thing. For your argument's sake... If a slimy company comes to most places and says "make something fraudulent, fake, or could hurt someone!", you should do the right thing. We see stuff from India, Cambodia, Taiwan (I have a sneaking suspicion that calling Taiwan a sovereign country has also just pissed you off), and Indonesia on a frequent basis, and it is always on the level and made with care.

Last edited by La Brea Bike; 04-10-21 at 09:34 PM.
La Brea Bike is online now  
Old 04-10-21, 09:59 PM
  #25  
70sSanO
Senior Member
 
70sSanO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Mission Viejo
Posts: 5,445

Bikes: 1986 Cannondale SR400 (Flat bar commuter), 1988 Cannondale Criterium XTR, 1992 Serotta T-Max, 1995 Trek 970

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1815 Post(s)
Liked 1,960 Times in 1,202 Posts
I never knew.

I couldn’t read the article in the link, but this may have been what you were referencing...

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/customer-...rd-pub99f99f21

Which seems appropriate.

It is funny because I used to tell my wife that the names of those Scandinavian brands when translated to English meant, crap only Americans would buy.

John
70sSanO is offline  
Likes For 70sSanO:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.