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Wouldn't you get a better workout with a heavier bike ?

Old 05-03-21, 10:03 AM
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Small example 46 years ago. I did a ride with the Touring Club of Montreal on my Lambert with sewups. Probably 20 of us. The rest on fine Italian racing bikes. I had gloves and cycling shoes, regular shorts and a T-shirt, Full kits for the rest.

The night before the club president had told me I was a climber and to show what I could do on this one hill. I put the bike in the gear he told me and promptly put everyone behind. Hill was far longer than I could have imagined but I was out of sight and minutes ahead at the top. Road forked. The pres told me about the fork but I never imagined I'd need that info. Just retained that the wrong turn wouldn't get me back to Montreal. So I waited. Next rider was a young man my age on a Raleigh Grand Sport with steel rims! Told me to get on his wheel. A few miles up the highway beyond that long descent we were caught by the group. I'd never ridden this fast before, had no idea what I was doing and twice fell off the back. Both times that young man dropped back, put me on his wheel and towed me back.

Later the club pres told me that young man was an active racer; that he did that 60 mile group ride with the slower and older riders on that heavy bike and wheels for the workout. I guarantee you he did far more work than anyone else that day. I am sure it added up to a solid day of training. Speed work? No. But power plant work? H*** yes!
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Old 05-03-21, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
what if you live in an area where it is most convenient and safe for you to use a greenway or MUP? Safe speeds are NOT interval training speeds. Maybe it's safer and maybe fun enough to ride some kind of bike with some big knobbie tires and sucking a little more wind at a slower speed.
Anyone who's riding mostly or exclusively on a MUP is not a factor, if we are talking about actual training.

Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
If your cycling ability is beyond the resistance of the bike, spinning out in highest gear over the length of the ride/section, then added resistance can help with the workout or fitness.
I can't argue with this, though I have never seen that rider.

Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
The only time riding a heavier bike than others might come up with some benifit will be if you regularly ride as a group with others that are below your cycling fitness level.
You mean like the time Ashton Lambie showed up at my house on his fixie, wearing cutoffs and Keds? Yeah, he still dropped me that day - and every other day.
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Old 05-03-21, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post

For exercise, won't a heavy $150 WalMart mountain bike give you a better workout ?
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My advice is to avoid WallMart bikes because they are crap, very low quality components that don't last very long, uncomfortable, not assembled correctly, and impossible to get a good fit on them....It's better to buy a brand name bike that is lighter and higher quality.. You can always make a lighter bike heavier by adding racks and carrying stuff and easily remove them to make your bike light again..
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Old 05-03-21, 10:35 AM
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I think I'd rather just find a hill or ride on the tops to get a better workout.

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Old 05-03-21, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post
Featherweight bike seems good for speed like if racing or Tour De France.

But, what if cubicle worker go for bike rides for exercise ? Not racing.

If itís for exercise, is it counterproductive to have a light/fast bike.?

For exercise, won't a heavy $150 WalMart mountain bike give you a better workout ?

Better to ride the tank Huffy for 1 hour than to ride the AeroSpace bike for 6 hours to get the same calories burned ?

Less is more ? Or in this case, more is more ?


There are 2 very distinct use cases for a bicycle:

If I wanted to travel as far as I could (using bike to commute to work, or as a legitimate transportation vehicle), then Iíd want the lightest bike I can get, to increase range.

But, for fitness and exercise, Iíd want the heaviest bike I can get.

The only situation I can see a lighter bike yielding a better workout is when the hill is TOO steep to be traversed by a heavy bike, and you need to walk it.

Then a light bike works better since you can actually ride it up the hill.



Otherwise, it seems like its analogous to putting the treadmill on 3.0 At this speed, it takes very little effort, just like it takes less effort to move a light bike.

A light bike will be easier to pedal, thus yielding a less efficient workout.

So, to get the same workout on a 3.0, youíd have to jog for hours compared to putting the treadmill on 6.0 or 8.0 (riding a heavier bike)



Even for pro bikers who are training, it seems the most logical training bike would be the heaviest bike you can find.

Just like putting those donut weights on the baseball bat when youíre in the on deck circle.
If your definition of a better workout is the maximum number of calories burned in a given time interval, then all that matters is pedaling as hard as you can for that time interval. For example: do a 1 hour time trial on a 35-pound, poorly tuned Walmart POS. Then (after a sufficient recovery) do a 1 hour time trial on a 15-lb TdF bike. You'll put in the same energy into the TdF bike as you did the WM-POS, you'll just go farther in the hour.

The amount of energy expended is dependent on the rider, not the bike.
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Old 05-03-21, 11:09 AM
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There are lots of things one can do to virtually any exercise to make it "a better workout", i.e. require more effort to do. If you ONLY ride a bike for exercise, sure, get a heavy bike. Hell, fill your seat tube with lead shot! But then, you could accomplish the same thing on a trainer by just turning the resistance to the maximum, so why even go outside? You'd never have to worry about getting run over by a car, unless you're working out in the garage and still use it to park cars in, and your wife comes home not paying attention to where she's parking.

People ride bikes outside because it's fun. It's more fun on a good bike that feels like part of you than on one that you're constantly battling.
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Old 05-03-21, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Fun it Is.

500 miles on a Flat Track

4200 miles Real World Roads 8 10 south landscape - YouTube
Is there a slow clap emoji?

Seriously, I ride a heavy bike too, but you don't ride using more effort than a lighter bike. You use gears to make the force required to pedal about the same as on the lighter bike. If you don't, you damage your knees. Does it feel nice to get on a light bike after riding my heavily loaded touring bike? Of course it does, but it doesn't mean it is any less of a workout.
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Old 05-03-21, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by phughes View Post
Is there a slow clap emoji?

Seriously, I ride a heavy bike too, but you don't ride using more effort than a lighter bike. You use gears to make the force required to pedal about the same as on the lighter bike. If you don't, you damage your knees. Does it feel nice to get on a light bike after riding my heavily loaded touring bike? Of course it does, but it doesn't mean it is any less of a workout.

That's a lot of Texas.
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Old 05-03-21, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
That's a lot of Texas.
The ride had 13 days in TX.
I live in Texas.
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Einstein’s Laws of Relativity accurately predict your mass increases as you approach the speed of light, so...
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So all this time as a 270# Clydesdale I’ve been doing it wrong?
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Originally Posted by Toadmeister View Post
Einsteinís Laws of Relativity accurately predict your mass increases as you approach the speed of light, so...
I tried Lights. They didn't do much for my speed.
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Old 05-03-21, 12:20 PM
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Just bought decent road bikes at a decent price. Never paid attention to light bikes. I just ride them and get the workout I want adjusting my effort. If I want a better workout, I ride up the mountain and just push harder.
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post
Better to ride the tank Huffy for 1 hour than to ride the AeroSpace bike for 6 hours to get the same calories burned?
I can burn over 4,000 calories on a 6 hour ride (200 W average) on my "aerospace" road bike. If I wanted to burn 4,000 calories in 1 hour on a "tank Huffy", I'd have to average about 1,200 W. No problem ... it's just a long sprint.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Not really the question--would you have become less strong on a 30 pound bike at that distance? Doubtful.
In theory, a lighter bike, and expending the same effort (ie. watts), one would have finished that journey sooner, so having spent less time cycling at the same output, no?
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Weight only helps uphill or accelerating. Get a fatbike with aggressive tires and you pedal constantly, even on sections you usually coast. Even better, use cheap aggressive tires for more resistance. (they will suck off road, but sounds like this is a roadie)
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For the best workout: very heavy bike, skinny tires, riden in soft sand.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Toured on a 35 LB bike. NY to LA.
Arriving in CA going Up a Long hill, I was able to pass Three Local Club Riders (in their Team Kits and Road Bikes).
Wearing a team/club kit and riding a road bike is not an indicator of cycling abilities or level of fitness. Also, there are lots of times when people are not riding at their limit. Yesterday, my buddy and I (both wearing the kit of the team/club we ride with, and riding high-end road bikes) spent over 10 minutes climbing a hill that I can ride in under 8.

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So to get a better workout I should gain 50 lbs?
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Wearing a team/club kit and riding a road bike is not an indicator of cycling abilities or level of fitness. Also, there a lots of times when people are not riding at their limit. Yesterday, my buddy and I (both wearing the kit of the team/club we ride with, and riding high-end road bikes) spent over 10 minutes climbing a hill that I can ride in under 8.
Fun for Me. Being 67 years old and a Texas Coast Rider all Flat Roads passing up Three 20 year old's in their home area.
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Wearing a team/club kit and riding a road bike is not an indicator of cycling abilities or level of fitness. Also, there a lots of times when people are not riding at their limit. Yesterday, my buddy and I (both wearing the kit of the team/club we ride with, and riding high-end road bikes) spent over 10 minutes climbing a hill that I can ride in under 8.
See also "recovery ride".
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
In theory, a lighter bike, and expending the same effort (ie. watts), one would have finished that journey sooner, so having spent less time cycling at the same output, no?
Take a longer journey.

One of factors I find most enjoyable about cycling is rolling at a high speed on an efficient machine. A heavier and less-efficient bicycle isn't going to change my power output capabilities, but will reduce the fun factor.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
See also "recovery ride".
Exactly. For us, it was the roll back home after doing a spicy group ride. No hurry.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
In theory, a lighter bike, and expending the same effort (ie. watts), one would have finished that journey sooner, so having spent less time cycling at the same output, no?
Right. The heavier bike is only 'a better workout' if you go the same speed as you do on the light bike. If you are putting out the same watts, all the heavier bike is is slower.
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