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Wouldn't you get a better workout with a heavier bike ?

Old 05-04-21, 08:26 AM
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I would assume watts is watts
You could push 200 watts on a 35lb steel bike, and then push 200watts on a lightweight carbon frame/wheel bike.
You could certainly go faster on the lighter bike, but the input would be the same on both bikes. Am I right on this?
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Old 05-04-21, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by friday1970 View Post
I would assume watts is watts
You could push 200 watts on a 35lb steel bike, and then push 200watts on a lightweight carbon frame/wheel bike.
You could certainly go faster on the lighter bike, but the input would be the same on both bikes. Am I right on this?
Yes, you are correct. See LeMondís Law.
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Old 05-04-21, 09:36 AM
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No.

Your biking workout is determined by effort and time. You are likely to put in the same effort riding a heavier/junkier bike, but you'll ride slower, and not go as far because you'll exhaust your energy at the same rate/unit-time as when riding a lighter/less crappy bike, so you just won't go as far. THe result of this in the real world is that riding becomes less rewarding for the same amount of effort, so you are less likely to ride more. A lightweight/fast bike rewards you for every ounce of effort you put in, so you are motivated to keep going hard. A slower bike has a higher effort/reward ratio so is more likely to end in frustration.

THe exception I can think of:

(as mentioned above) if you are riding with a group of people who maintain a consistent speed, keeping up with them on a slower bike will give you a better workout than keeping up with them on a faster bike.

Also, weight only matters when often stopping/starting, and when going up hills. A 30lb touring bike is (almost?) as fast as a 17lb carbon race bike with the same tires on flat terrain. On climbs there will be a penalty based on the difference in weight for the whole rider+bike system... assuming a 175 lb rider, 17lb bike (192 lbs bike+ rider) has an advantage over the 30 lb bike (205 lbs bike+ rider) of about 6% less weight to carry.
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Old 05-04-21, 09:39 AM
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Also, I don't know if this has been said above, but weight is not the primary reason Huffys and the like are slow - it's the crap X-tra thick casing cheapo tires, loose and improperly lubricated hubs and bottom bracket, and other drivetrain problems like poor shifting or rubbing. There are lots of fast 35 lb bikes out there (Trail bikes, loaded tourers or commuters, etc), you don't have to ride a POS to have a heavy bike.
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Old 05-04-21, 09:39 AM
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I do loops with my fat bike for interval training.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Fun for Me. Being 67 years old and a Texas Coast Rider all Flat Roads passing up Three 20 year old's in their home area.
As one of the veteran racers here used to say in his Bike Forums sig line, "You can pass me anywhere but in a race."
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Old 05-04-21, 11:38 AM
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5 pages and not even one reply from OP. This thread is a success..
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Old 05-04-21, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Yes, you are correct. See LeMondís Law.
But...what about Cancellara's Law? (for e-Bikes). "Not only will it get Easier....but you'll go even Faster"
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Old 05-04-21, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ClydeClydeson View Post
No.

Your biking workout is determined by effort and time.
...which in the end is still how many calories burnt.
But I hear you somewhat on how much fun a sporty bike is compared to a heavy clunker. It is more fun to fly on my aluminum/carbon fork bike than it is my old 80's steel sport touring bike. Then again, there is something fun about cruising on my Trek 620 or my Elance 330. My rides on my older bikes tend to be further and longer, although slower (think randonnuering).
But when I was young, my dad bought me a Schwinn Varsity. As soon as I saved up and bought my first Peugeot, I couldn't ditch that Varsity fast enough. The Peugeot was superior in every way.
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Old 05-04-21, 12:24 PM
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5 pages and not even one reply from OP. This thread is a success..
Same with his Walmart / disc brake thread. This guy knows how to leverage his posts.
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Old 05-04-21, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by friday1970 View Post
...which in the end is still how many calories burnt.
But I hear you somewhat on how much fun a sporty bike is compared to a heavy clunker. It is more fun to fly on my aluminum/carbon fork bike than it is my old 80's steel sport touring bike. Then again, there is something fun about cruising on my Trek 620 or my Elance 330. My rides on my older bikes tend to be further and longer, although slower (think randonnuering).
But when I was young, my dad bought me a Schwinn Varsity. As soon as I saved up and bought my first Peugeot, I couldn't ditch that Varsity fast enough. The Peugeot was superior in every way.
I took the OP's question to mean heavy and slow POS bikes, like Huffys and Murrays. Reading between the lines the implication is that $89 mountain bikes are good enough because you get a 'better' workout than on any more expensive bike.

A Trek 620 is decidedly NOT a POS. It may be most at home when touring or Randonneuring, but extra power put into the pedals results in extra speed on the road just like a modern road bike. Even a Schwinn Varsity with decent tires will roll down the road fast enough to not count as a 'slow' bike.
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Old 05-04-21, 05:32 PM
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I got caught and dropped by a Spanish team while climbing the Puerto del Viento on a fully-loaded bike on my way from Ardales to Ronda, former hangout of Hemingway. I asked one guy if he would help me with my bags. He smiled, politely declined and left me in his tracks. What a wuss.
Matching kit? Aero helmet and goggles? I bet you weren't expecting them.
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Originally Posted by guachi View Post
Matching kit? Aero helmet and goggles? I bet you weren't expecting them.
It was a true team. Didnít really pay attention to the name. It was a hard climb. Interestingly, it was Semana Santa. Holy Thursday.
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Old 05-04-21, 08:23 PM
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Will you get more drunk by butt chugging Everclear, sure you probably will. Should you, NO!
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Will you get more drunk by butt chugging Everclear, sure you probably will. Should you, NO!

Really bad analogy even as a joke.
There's nothing intrinsically unhealthy about riding a heavy bike, and you will get the health benefits of riding using it. How does that compare with the incredibly dangerous act of butt-chugging high proof booze?
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Old 05-05-21, 01:17 PM
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I always liked the cycling adage, "it doesn't get easier, it just gets faster".
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I always liked the cycling adage, "it doesn't get easier, it just gets faster".
I have found that as my fitness improves, my ability to suffer longer and deeper increases. Therefore, I have concluded that cycling actually gets harder as you get better.
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Butt chugging....

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The only way I could see that adding weight would help is if you're already at the maximum possible intensity for the amount of time available, and want even more. Or, if you're training for a tour on a loaded bike.

Soldiers march with full packs because they're training to march with full packs in combat.

Speaking solely for myself, I like cycling because it is actually not high intensity, but spreads out the work over a longer time period that lets me strike a balance between exercise and recreation. Adding weight would not improve this at all. A lighter bike might add to enjoying the recreational aspect of it. My lightest bike is about 22 pounds.
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5 pages and not even one reply from OP. This thread is a success..
Why are you obsessed with me posting in my own thread?
I don't know the answer, so I am letting the experts speak.

It seems you can get just a good workout with a light bike by keeping the gears lower.
Does anyone intentionally do that? I also liked the idea of adding lead weights to the bike sort of like a gym workout vest.
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You're almost there. Once again, you get a good workout by pedaling harder.
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post
Why are you obsessed with me posting in my own thread?
I don't know the answer, so I am letting the experts speak.

It seems you can get just a good workout with a light bike by keeping the gears lower.
Does anyone intentionally do that? I also liked the idea of adding lead weights to the bike sort of like a gym workout vest.

I actually was joking about the lead weights. Adding weight is pretty inefficient because, unlike when walking or running, you don't actually lift the weights with every step. Bicycles are all about smoothing out the load, it's why cargo bikes are plausible things. If you want to increase the human body's ability to move heavy weights, you put them on wheels. .
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post
It seems you can get just a good workout with a light bike by keeping the gears lower.
Does anyone intentionally do that? I also liked the idea of adding lead weights to the bike sort of like a gym workout vest.
The amount of "work" (amount of effort for a given time) is unrelated to the weight or quality of the bike. How far/fast you travel for that "work" will vary with the weight/quality of the bike. You can ride easy or hard on any bike.
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Originally Posted by ClydeClydeson View Post
I took the OP's question to mean heavy and slow POS bikes, like Huffys and Murrays. Reading between the lines the implication is that $89 mountain bikes are good enough because you get a 'better' workout than on any more expensive bike.
I started with a Huffy MTB $169 at Target. I was carrying tools (ratchet/wheel change related) and did a 60 mile ride in 4:45 time. It was a good workout.

I did 66 miles on my CF Madone in 3:36. Was the slower bike a better workout? Nope! I thought my kidneys were going to shoot out my back on the Madone ride.

Your workout is what you make it!
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In my racing days, I noticed a lot of guys would lose their winter fluff and get really fast by mid summer.

Being scrawny, I had no fluff to lose. So I used a seatpost I had filled with molten lead. It was about 3.5lbs extra. I'd ride this until May and go back to my other one.

Can't say it did a thing for me. It was a cool conversation piece though.

The heavy cheap bike will still ride like crap. It just isn't fun enough to keep at it. Good often tends to be lightweight but good is the important part.

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