Tour de-france type of riders, what's their deal?
05-11-21, 09:11 PM
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I call them "wanna be tour de-france riders" i see every day a few who dress fancy expensive riding clothes and ride bikes that cost more than grand and ride as if they trying to set world record in speed, (often are running trough red light).
They all are skinny and probably would be fast riding any bike, but when they invest in lighter bikes this get's them even faster.
Never understood this what this riders are all about, are they try to set world record in speed or something, i doubt that they ever will participating in any cycling sport events.
I know there's such thing as bicycle industry and marketing that popularize this, e.g. fishing industry for example and if you go to fishing store you see thousands of lures, hooks, and different types fancy rods when in reality do you really need to make it so complicated to catch a fish?
I know this is also some kind of popularized thing, but what is it all about?
They all are skinny and probably would be fast riding any bike, but when they invest in lighter bikes this get's them even faster.
Never understood this what this riders are all about, are they try to set world record in speed or something, i doubt that they ever will participating in any cycling sport events.
I know there's such thing as bicycle industry and marketing that popularize this, e.g. fishing industry for example and if you go to fishing store you see thousands of lures, hooks, and different types fancy rods when in reality do you really need to make it so complicated to catch a fish?
I know this is also some kind of popularized thing, but what is it all about?
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05-12-21, 05:01 AM
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What I learned from this thread:
- people that ride faster than many here are entitled jerks with a death wish who should slow down. They just don't "get cycling". The concept of using a bike for vigorous exercise is just 100% absurd.
- lycra is not very masculine and those who wear lycra are only doing so because they think it looks cool, and because they're jerks.
- spending over $1K on a bike is bad. Really bad. It makes the buyer a pretentious, smug, arrogant dick. Who do they think they are?
- people that ride faster than many here are entitled jerks with a death wish who should slow down. They just don't "get cycling". The concept of using a bike for vigorous exercise is just 100% absurd.
- lycra is not very masculine and those who wear lycra are only doing so because they think it looks cool, and because they're jerks.
- spending over $1K on a bike is bad. Really bad. It makes the buyer a pretentious, smug, arrogant dick. Who do they think they are?
05-12-21, 06:39 AM
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What I learned from this thread:
- people that ride faster than many here are entitled jerks with a death wish who should slow down. They just don't "get cycling". The concept of using a bike for vigorous exercise is just 100% absurd.
- lycra is not very masculine and those who wear lycra are only doing so because they think it looks cool, and because they're jerks.
- spending over $1K on a bike is bad. Really bad. It makes the buyer a pretentious, smug, arrogant dick. Who do they think they are?
- people that ride faster than many here are entitled jerks with a death wish who should slow down. They just don't "get cycling". The concept of using a bike for vigorous exercise is just 100% absurd.
- lycra is not very masculine and those who wear lycra are only doing so because they think it looks cool, and because they're jerks.
- spending over $1K on a bike is bad. Really bad. It makes the buyer a pretentious, smug, arrogant dick. Who do they think they are?
People that ride slower than many here are entitled slackers who should speed up. They just don't "get cycling." The concept of using a bike, not necessarily for vigorous exercise is just 100% absurd.
Lycra is not very masculine. Those who wear lycra are only doing so because it improves their cycling experience. They might think they look cool also. If they look down on people who don't wear lycra, they are jerks.
Spending over $1K on a bike is bad if you can't afford it. Really bad. To some people, it makes the buyer a pretentious, smug, arrogant dick. Who do they think they are? To others, not spending over $1K on a bike will also make the buyer a smug, arrogant dick. Who do they think they are?
Anything else to add?
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05-12-21, 06:52 AM
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If i make analogy with motorcycles, for some its Harley and Chopper for other fast sport bikes its a lifestyle choice.
05-12-21, 09:16 AM
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While I question the tight fitting shirts and shorts which might have a minuscule aerodynamic advantage approaching that of wearing a g-string, I am open to considering something as functional as cycling shoes. I will look up such specifically designed shoes to discover whether they feel better to use. It depends on what I can afford and I do not buy leather because I don't believe in killing animals to harvest their body parts.
Jerseys - the wicking capacity of the fabric means you're not wearing a clingy, clammy T-shirt. I find that on most climbs, I end up dripping with sweat. Totally soaked. By the bottom of the descent, totally dry. So if you're going to wear 'performance fabric rather than a cotton T-shirt that won't wick sweat, you want it to fit snuggly so it does its job well. Loose, flappy clothing not only robs you of speed, it's also LOUD, and louder the faster you go.
Basically, millions of cyclists find all those advantages in cycling kit, because it works. It's been refined over decades to work better. So, really the question is no longer whether there's advantage in cycling kit. The question is where is the advantage in not wearing it? It's just trying to convince others you're not "one of those Lance wannabes", which means you end up being the one who really cares what other people think.
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05-12-21, 07:41 PM
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05-13-21, 07:28 PM
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The thing with this forum is, it's for everyone. Not just for the people who think 15 mph is "racing," and not for those who actually race. There are types both here, as well as quite a few in between. Let's show some tolerance for others. You don't see the fast riders talking down about the slower riders; those out there in the first group should stop throwing wild accusations. I ride to make me happy, and I ride and wear what makes me happy. I don't care if I impress strangers or threaten their world view. It's all about me.
There, it's said.
There, it's said.
05-14-21, 07:01 AM
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The thing with this forum is, it's for everyone. Not just for the people who think 15 mph is "racing," and not for those who actually race. There are types both here, as well as quite a few in between. Let's show some tolerance for others. You don't see the fast riders talking down about the slower riders; those out there in the first group should stop throwing wild accusations. I ride to make me happy, and I ride and wear what makes me happy. I don't care if I impress strangers or threaten their world view. It's all about me.
There, it's said.
There, it's said.
Just looking at the topic title of this topic, one can fairly assume right off that it's an effort to demean a group of people or start some kind of flame war. "What's their deal". Really?
Then there's the "debate settled fact" types. The whole "heavier bike is better exercise" topic is literally the bicycle troll topic equivalent of "will a model airplane take off from a moving treadmill". The airplane treadmill thing is as old as the internet now, there's probably a Mythbusters video about it already. Anytime it's posted again, it's a troll effort. But somehow this stuff slips through.
Lastly there's the "make grandiose claims" crowd who then cry when asked for proof. That's a more subtle and advanced troll effort. It plays on the forum's open arms and politeness repeatedly until it's provoked sensible people to lash out. That's a forum sin in taking advantage of forum rules on politeness and people's kind nature.
I wish people would respect these kind of sensibilities just a bit more.
05-14-21, 09:29 AM
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While agreeing with this, let me qualify it by saying that this chat forum seems to allow a lot of intellectually dishonest troll efforts. To the credit of the moderators, usually the instigators play on people's kindness by at first appearing genuinely newer or in need of something. Making it tougher to sniff out.
Just looking at the topic title of this topic, one can fairly assume right off that it's an effort to demean a group of people or start some kind of flame war. "What's their deal". Really?
Then there's the "debate settled fact" types. The whole "heavier bike is better exercise" topic is literally the bicycle troll topic equivalent of "will a model airplane take off from a moving treadmill". The airplane treadmill thing is as old as the internet now, there's probably a Mythbusters video about it already. Anytime it's posted again, it's a troll effort. But somehow this stuff slips through.
Lastly there's the "make grandiose claims" crowd who then cry when asked for proof. That's a more subtle and advanced troll effort. It plays on the forum's open arms and politeness repeatedly until it's provoked sensible people to lash out. That's a forum sin in taking advantage of forum rules on politeness and people's kind nature.
I wish people would respect these kind of sensibilities just a bit more.
Just looking at the topic title of this topic, one can fairly assume right off that it's an effort to demean a group of people or start some kind of flame war. "What's their deal". Really?
Then there's the "debate settled fact" types. The whole "heavier bike is better exercise" topic is literally the bicycle troll topic equivalent of "will a model airplane take off from a moving treadmill". The airplane treadmill thing is as old as the internet now, there's probably a Mythbusters video about it already. Anytime it's posted again, it's a troll effort. But somehow this stuff slips through.
Lastly there's the "make grandiose claims" crowd who then cry when asked for proof. That's a more subtle and advanced troll effort. It plays on the forum's open arms and politeness repeatedly until it's provoked sensible people to lash out. That's a forum sin in taking advantage of forum rules on politeness and people's kind nature.
I wish people would respect these kind of sensibilities just a bit more.
Respect sensibilities? Have you seen the internet before?
I think there are naive posters who come here and say or ask something that's obviously uninformed and I have a high level of tolerance for them. OP is not one of those people, this was just pure troll.
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Why are only skinny people are allowed to ride road bikes? What about guys who used to be skinny? I see people of all different sizes riding Harleys and sport bikes. Is that also a problem for you? Is every sport bike rider wearing full leathers pretending to be Mark Marquez?
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Why are only skinny people are allowed to ride road bikes? What about guys who used to be skinny? I see people of all different sizes riding Harleys and sport bikes. Is that also a problem for you? Is every sport bike rider wearing full leathers pretending to be Mark Marquez?
You do realize you're arguing with a guy who calls himself PimpMan, right?
Who cares what offends him?
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If the OP and others think Roadie's look ridiculous. I can't imagine just how silly old guys like me riding around on children's bicycles must be.
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05-14-21, 07:30 PM
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A $25 Zebco rod/reel set will catch the same fish that a $500 set will. So why buy the expensive stuff? Maybe because the aficionado appreciates the higher build quality, the balance, the more predictable action, or even the fancier look. Who's to say they're wrong? Someone who doesn't fish? Yes,this is a troll thread.
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Does this sport has a name i can read about because i never heard of it.
This actually brings me to the second point i forgot to make - when one is riding for health, not to compete with others.
Whats the actual difference if one ride light bicycle fast with many speeds vs one rides heavier bicycle slower speed, IMO at the end of the day person with heavier bicycle puts more effort into pedaling...
This actually brings me to the second point i forgot to make - when one is riding for health, not to compete with others.
Whats the actual difference if one ride light bicycle fast with many speeds vs one rides heavier bicycle slower speed, IMO at the end of the day person with heavier bicycle puts more effort into pedaling...
05-16-21, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Q. Why are only skinny people are allowed to ride road bikes?
A. I believe it is a state law in most states. Could go national.
Q. What about guys who used to be skinny?
A. People who have gained weight automatically forfeit their right, unless they return to being skinny and then are entitled to all the rights and privileges including a road bike.
Q. What about people of all sizes riding Harleys and sport bikes?
A. False equivalency? Apples and pears? Never seen an overweight person riding a sport bike. Might want an eye exam.
Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Q. Why are only skinny people are allowed to ride road bikes?
A. I believe it is a state law in most states. Could go national.
Q. What about guys who used to be skinny?
A. People who have gained weight automatically forfeit their right, unless they return to being skinny and then are entitled to all the rights and privileges including a road bike.
Q. What about people of all sizes riding Harleys and sport bikes?
A. False equivalency? Apples and pears? Never seen an overweight person riding a sport bike. Might want an eye exam.
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More effort on a heavy bike? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the type of training or riding you're doing. Your heavy bike may take more effort, depending on how hard you push yourself and how long, but a rider on a lighter bike will work just as hard or harder because she is stressing her body to go faster (thus having to go faster). By the way, there is a difference between big strong muscles that can push or lift heavy weights and fast-twitch muscles that can make quick movements over an extended time period.
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05-19-21, 09:25 PM
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If there were inherent virtues in heavy bikes then adding a few 5 lb weights to the bike would make it even better. What is interesting to me is how often folks will worry about saving an ounce with a new saddle but ignore the extra 20 lbs of belly fat or carry around 2 or even 3 water bottles and a 2 lb bike repair kit.
What is also overlooked is the choice provided by the bike manufacturers when it comes to components and saddles on bikes targeted at the casual rider. The heavier bike has cheaper deraillers, cheaper rims, cheaper brakes, and usually poor frame geometry and of course gearing that is wrong. I have seen the days when "race" bikes were built for criterion racers and were terrible for road racers or touring riders. When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.
I have to laugh when someone thinks $1,000 is expensive for a bike. In college in 1970 the expensive bikes were the Italian ones that cost around $500 which in today's money is roughly $5,000. A lot of fellow riders had such bikes but they did not have cars or trucks to support.
What is also overlooked is the choice provided by the bike manufacturers when it comes to components and saddles on bikes targeted at the casual rider. The heavier bike has cheaper deraillers, cheaper rims, cheaper brakes, and usually poor frame geometry and of course gearing that is wrong. I have seen the days when "race" bikes were built for criterion racers and were terrible for road racers or touring riders. When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.
I have to laugh when someone thinks $1,000 is expensive for a bike. In college in 1970 the expensive bikes were the Italian ones that cost around $500 which in today's money is roughly $5,000. A lot of fellow riders had such bikes but they did not have cars or trucks to support.
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I don’t think so. They handle terribly.
They’re good at going fast in a straight line, and that’s about all.
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If there were inherent virtues in heavy bikes then adding a few 5 lb weights to the bike would make it even better. What is interesting to me is how often folks will worry about saving an ounce with a new saddle but ignore the extra 20 lbs of belly fat or carry around 2 or even 3 water bottles and a 2 lb bike repair kit.
What is also overlooked is the choice provided by the bike manufacturers when it comes to components and saddles on bikes targeted at the casual rider. The heavier bike has cheaper deraillers, cheaper rims, cheaper brakes, and usually poor frame geometry and of course gearing that is wrong. I have seen the days when "race" bikes were built for criterion racers and were terrible for road racers or touring riders. When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.
I have to laugh when someone thinks $1,000 is expensive for a bike. In college in 1970 the expensive bikes were the Italian ones that cost around $500 which in today's money is roughly $5,000. A lot of fellow riders had such bikes but they did not have cars or trucks to support.
What is also overlooked is the choice provided by the bike manufacturers when it comes to components and saddles on bikes targeted at the casual rider. The heavier bike has cheaper deraillers, cheaper rims, cheaper brakes, and usually poor frame geometry and of course gearing that is wrong. I have seen the days when "race" bikes were built for criterion racers and were terrible for road racers or touring riders. When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.
I have to laugh when someone thinks $1,000 is expensive for a bike. In college in 1970 the expensive bikes were the Italian ones that cost around $500 which in today's money is roughly $5,000. A lot of fellow riders had such bikes but they did not have cars or trucks to support.
Does bouncing weight really matter?
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