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Old 05-14-21, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Why are only skinny people are allowed to ride road bikes? What about guys who used to be skinny? I see people of all different sizes riding Harleys and sport bikes. Is that also a problem for you? Is every sport bike rider wearing full leathers pretending to be Mark Marquez?

You do realize you're arguing with a guy who calls himself PimpMan, right?

Who cares what offends him?
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If the OP and others think Roadie's look ridiculous. I can't imagine just how silly old guys like me riding around on children's bicycles must be.
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A $25 Zebco rod/reel set will catch the same fish that a $500 set will. So why buy the expensive stuff? Maybe because the aficionado appreciates the higher build quality, the balance, the more predictable action, or even the fancier look. Who's to say they're wrong? Someone who doesn't fish? Yes,this is a troll thread.
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Originally Posted by PimpMan View Post
Does this sport has a name i can read about because i never heard of it.

This actually brings me to the second point i forgot to make - when one is riding for health, not to compete with others.

Whats the actual difference if one ride light bicycle fast with many speeds vs one rides heavier bicycle slower speed, IMO at the end of the day person with heavier bicycle puts more effort into pedaling...
More effort on a heavy bike? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the type of training or riding you're doing. Your heavy bike may take more effort, depending on how hard you push yourself and how long, but a rider on a lighter bike will work just as hard or harder because she is stressing her body to go faster (thus having to go faster). By the way, there is a difference between big strong muscles that can push or lift heavy weights and fast-twitch muscles that can make quick movements over an extended time period.
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Q. Why are only skinny people are allowed to ride road bikes?
A. I believe it is a state law in most states. Could go national.

Q. What about guys who used to be skinny?
A. People who have gained weight automatically forfeit their right, unless they return to being skinny and then are entitled to all the rights and privileges including a road bike.

Q. What about people of all sizes riding Harleys and sport bikes?
A. False equivalency? Apples and pears? Never seen an overweight person riding a sport bike. Might want an eye exam.
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Originally Posted by fuji105 View Post
More effort on a heavy bike? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the type of training or riding you're doing. Your heavy bike may take more effort, depending on how hard you push yourself and how long, but a rider on a lighter bike will work just as hard or harder because she is stressing her body to go faster (thus having to go faster). By the way, there is a difference between big strong muscles that can push or lift heavy weights and fast-twitch muscles that can make quick movements over an extended time period.
Wouldn't you get a better workout with a heavier bike ?
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Old 05-19-21, 07:37 PM
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Is this your sport troll?
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If there were inherent virtues in heavy bikes then adding a few 5 lb weights to the bike would make it even better. What is interesting to me is how often folks will worry about saving an ounce with a new saddle but ignore the extra 20 lbs of belly fat or carry around 2 or even 3 water bottles and a 2 lb bike repair kit.

What is also overlooked is the choice provided by the bike manufacturers when it comes to components and saddles on bikes targeted at the casual rider. The heavier bike has cheaper deraillers, cheaper rims, cheaper brakes, and usually poor frame geometry and of course gearing that is wrong. I have seen the days when "race" bikes were built for criterion racers and were terrible for road racers or touring riders. When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.

I have to laugh when someone thinks $1,000 is expensive for a bike. In college in 1970 the expensive bikes were the Italian ones that cost around $500 which in today's money is roughly $5,000. A lot of fellow riders had such bikes but they did not have cars or trucks to support.
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When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.
Tri bikes are good for club rides and touring?

I don’t think so. They handle terribly.

They’re good at going fast in a straight line, and that’s about all.


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Originally Posted by Calsun View Post
If there were inherent virtues in heavy bikes then adding a few 5 lb weights to the bike would make it even better. What is interesting to me is how often folks will worry about saving an ounce with a new saddle but ignore the extra 20 lbs of belly fat or carry around 2 or even 3 water bottles and a 2 lb bike repair kit.

What is also overlooked is the choice provided by the bike manufacturers when it comes to components and saddles on bikes targeted at the casual rider. The heavier bike has cheaper deraillers, cheaper rims, cheaper brakes, and usually poor frame geometry and of course gearing that is wrong. I have seen the days when "race" bikes were built for criterion racers and were terrible for road racers or touring riders. When triathelons became popular it was great as the bikes built for competitors were the best overall for the average club rider or touring cyclist.

I have to laugh when someone thinks $1,000 is expensive for a bike. In college in 1970 the expensive bikes were the Italian ones that cost around $500 which in today's money is roughly $5,000. A lot of fellow riders had such bikes but they did not have cars or trucks to support.


Does bouncing weight really matter?
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
It's important to keep in mind that normal person skinny is bike racer fat.
Is weight really that important even on flats? Im 235 lbs and could be like 190, think I would get a substantial increase in speed on flat ground?

Also this is 100% a troll thread
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No, it doesn’t matter on the flats. See track sprinters. And masters “crit specialists.”
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What is interesting to me is how often folks will worry about saving an ounce with a new saddle but ignore the extra 20 lbs of belly fat or carry around 2 or even 3 water bottles and a 2 lb bike repair kit.
I think I know what you're trying to get across here, but the way you worded it makes it seem as though carrying water bottles and repair kits are as unnecessary as extra fat. Being dehydrated with a broken bike on the side of the road isn't going to be fast nor make for a better workout.

No idea what you're talking about with tri bikes though, but that's already been called out.​​​
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Is weight really that important even on flats? Im 235 lbs and could be like 190, think I would get a substantial increase in speed on flat ground?

Also this is 100% a troll thread

Absolutely, but how much depends. Is that loss of 45 pounds fat or leg muscle?

I don't think anyone is saying there's no significant speed costs to carrying an additional 45 pounds. There's probably 45 pounds difference between my fully loaded hauler and my old racing bikes, and I'm definitely faster on the flats with the lighter bikes. It takes a lot more energy to accelerate the heavier bike so I really can't get to and keep the same pace with the heavier bike without exhausting myself.

Statements about weight not mattering are definitely discussing much smaller differences than 45 pounds.
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carrying water is a total drag. Just time the ride with areas with rain. The acid rain is sooo delic, you'd mistaken the burning esophagus for the carbonation that soda gives!
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Is weight really that important even on flats? Im 235 lbs and could be like 190, think I would get a substantial increase in speed on flat ground?

Also this is 100% a troll thread
I thought you live in the Bay Area? Where the hell are you gonna find flat ground?
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Is weight really that important even on flats? Im 235 lbs and could be like 190, think I would get a substantial increase in speed on flat ground?

Also this is 100% a troll thread
On the flats probably not too much. I've seen more than a few bigger guys that can turn a big ring.

On the climbs now...that will absolutely make a big difference.
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I thought you live in the Bay Area? Where the hell are you gonna find flat ground?
The Port of Oakland (POO) ride?
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I thought you live in the Bay Area? Where the hell are you gonna find flat ground?
El Camino Real, but you really gotta like traffic.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I thought you live in the Bay Area? Where the hell are you gonna find flat ground?
Bay Trail also. I do a loop around the south bay, mostly on the Bay Trail. The only real rise is when I come back over the Dumbarton.
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I thought you live in the Bay Area? Where the hell are you gonna find flat ground?
The head of the cycling club at work is doing a century in a few weeks, I was thinking hell yeah lets do this until I looked at the elevation gain. bit over 10k feet. WTF. WHY.
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The head of the cycling club at work is doing a century in a few weeks, I was thinking hell yeah lets do this until I looked at the elevation gain. bit over 10k feet. WTF. WHY.
Where's your sense of adventure?

Sequoia? Yeah, that's a tough one. Lotta up.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
El Camino Real, but you really gotta like traffic.
El Camino is hella fun during rush hour if you can get going faster than the cars. Too many lights though
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