Rim or disk brakes?
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05-12-21, 11:11 AM
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I don't know that there is much debate on this. Hydraulic disc brakes perform better than rim brakes. But at what price point, and do you need them for the kind of riding you want to do? For example, if you were doing touring, you might still want some sort of cantilever brakes as they can be easily repaired and parts can be found pretty much anywhere bike parts are sold. Hydraulic discs? Maybe not everyplace and not by everyone.
The other thing to keep in mind is, until fairly recently, rim brakes were what everybody used, so there are a lot of used bicycles with them out there. Are they instantly all ready for the landfill? Of course not, and if you are just looking for a bicycle, something with cantilever brakes, V brakes, or road caliper will work just fine, so long as it is a reputable brand.
The other thing to keep in mind is, until fairly recently, rim brakes were what everybody used, so there are a lot of used bicycles with them out there. Are they instantly all ready for the landfill? Of course not, and if you are just looking for a bicycle, something with cantilever brakes, V brakes, or road caliper will work just fine, so long as it is a reputable brand.
05-12-21, 11:28 AM
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Do you understand that this is, yet ANOTHER, thread about rim vs disc brakes? Okay.
You get that it's a troll thread, correct? Good.
What my post solved was showing that rims....are discs. Get it? It's a play on words. There's no question to be answered no solutions as to which is better at all because a rim is shaped like a disc...GET IT?
Good grief people....Okay, I gotta quit trying to converse with people who ride in the Hum Drum Vee.
I'll wonder, in sadness, back to the Fun Vee and you geniuses can finally solve the "problem" of rim/disc once and for all.
Jesus Christ.
You get that it's a troll thread, correct? Good.
What my post solved was showing that rims....are discs. Get it? It's a play on words. There's no question to be answered no solutions as to which is better at all because a rim is shaped like a disc...GET IT?
Good grief people....Okay, I gotta quit trying to converse with people who ride in the Hum Drum Vee.
I'll wonder, in sadness, back to the Fun Vee and you geniuses can finally solve the "problem" of rim/disc once and for all.
Jesus Christ.
05-12-21, 11:50 AM
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It's only fitting that he fell and broke his collar bone today...probably because of those same rim brakes.
Hopefully the blind and stupid will finally see the light.
05-12-21, 11:55 AM
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This is easy to answer. Disc brakes all day long.
Who cares about stopping? Disc brakes make the bike heavier and you'll get a better workout.
John
Who cares about stopping? Disc brakes make the bike heavier and you'll get a better workout.
John
05-12-21, 12:12 PM
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discs (until I accidentally spray them with oil while lubing my chain!)
05-12-21, 12:27 PM
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Eventually all the bikes will have disc brakes and this topic will no longer be a thing.
Even the cheap Walmart bikes are starting to come with cheap disc brakes.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xisheep-7...lack/700140121
Even the cheap Walmart bikes are starting to come with cheap disc brakes.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xisheep-7...lack/700140121
05-12-21, 02:05 PM
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rim brake
+ whole brake system is light (compare to disc) so great for climbing
+ cheaper to maintain
+ easier to maintain
- very bad descending on rainy days
disc
+ new industry standard
+ great on rainy days
+ wheelsets no brake surface
+ wheelsets look better without brake surface
- complete system is heavier than rim brakes
- disc rub is common more maintenance
- pads wear faster so more money
+ whole brake system is light (compare to disc) so great for climbing
+ cheaper to maintain
+ easier to maintain
- very bad descending on rainy days
disc
+ new industry standard
+ great on rainy days
+ wheelsets no brake surface
+ wheelsets look better without brake surface
- complete system is heavier than rim brakes
- disc rub is common more maintenance
- pads wear faster so more money
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05-12-21, 03:39 PM
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Too early to tell. We are clearly beyond the "early adopter" stage but not very far into the "mature" stage, by which I mean that they cover the price range from top to bottom. I'd like to see how they behave when they've been neglected, abused, left out all winter, and so forth. I'd like to see what questions beginners ask about maintaining them on BF -- what kinds of problems actually emerge, and how do people cope with them? What's it look like to replace a damaged disc brake on a 20 year old bike?
It's not a slam dunk, but by those criteria rim brakes aren't much to write home about either. There is a huge variation in quality. High quality, dual pivot calipers are snappy, cheap vee brakes with hardened pads are crappy. What are crappy disc brakes like? Brake noise seems like a coin toss. The disc brakes my Diamondback are excellent, on my wife's Surly, horrible.
I'm not a competitive or fast cyclist, just an old pokey commuter and casual rider. I have a lot of friends in more or less the same boat. Virtually all of them, when they've tried a bike with disc brakes, think the difference is night and day. One friend thinks I have a death wish because one of my bikes has rim brakes. But they're comparing new disc brakes on decent quality bikes to the crappy vee brakes with hardened pads and gummed up cables on their old bikes. When they have tried my dual pivots, they agree that they're pretty snappy. But dual pivots don't accommodate big tires. When I point out that disc brakes have slightly better performance in wet weather, they point out that they won't ever ride in wet weather.
It's not a slam dunk, but by those criteria rim brakes aren't much to write home about either. There is a huge variation in quality. High quality, dual pivot calipers are snappy, cheap vee brakes with hardened pads are crappy. What are crappy disc brakes like? Brake noise seems like a coin toss. The disc brakes my Diamondback are excellent, on my wife's Surly, horrible.
I'm not a competitive or fast cyclist, just an old pokey commuter and casual rider. I have a lot of friends in more or less the same boat. Virtually all of them, when they've tried a bike with disc brakes, think the difference is night and day. One friend thinks I have a death wish because one of my bikes has rim brakes. But they're comparing new disc brakes on decent quality bikes to the crappy vee brakes with hardened pads and gummed up cables on their old bikes. When they have tried my dual pivots, they agree that they're pretty snappy. But dual pivots don't accommodate big tires. When I point out that disc brakes have slightly better performance in wet weather, they point out that they won't ever ride in wet weather.
05-12-21, 03:45 PM
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If they make disc brakes as light, cheap and easy to maintain as rim ones - then discs all the way. Until then each system has pros and cons.
Disclaimer: I have 3 bikes with Shimano Ultegra and Campy Chorus rim brakes and eTap Force AXS with disc. I ride all of them and I also like to wrench on my bikes myself. So I can compare.
Disclaimer: I have 3 bikes with Shimano Ultegra and Campy Chorus rim brakes and eTap Force AXS with disc. I ride all of them and I also like to wrench on my bikes myself. So I can compare.
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05-12-21, 05:35 PM
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Too early to tell. We are clearly beyond the "early adopter" stage but not very far into the "mature" stage, by which I mean that they cover the price range from top to bottom. I'd like to see how they behave when they've been neglected, abused, left out all winter, and so forth. I'd like to see what questions beginners ask about maintaining them on BF -- what kinds of problems actually emerge, and how do people cope with them? What's it look like to replace a damaged disc brake on a 20 year old bike?
It's not a slam dunk, but by those criteria rim brakes aren't much to write home about either. There is a huge variation in quality. High quality, dual pivot calipers are snappy, cheap vee brakes with hardened pads are crappy. What are crappy disc brakes like? Brake noise seems like a coin toss. The disc brakes my Diamondback are excellent, on my wife's Surly, horrible.
I'm not a competitive or fast cyclist, just an old pokey commuter and casual rider. I have a lot of friends in more or less the same boat. Virtually all of them, when they've tried a bike with disc brakes, think the difference is night and day. One friend thinks I have a death wish because one of my bikes has rim brakes. But they're comparing new disc brakes on decent quality bikes to the crappy vee brakes with hardened pads and gummed up cables on their old bikes. When they have tried my dual pivots, they agree that they're pretty snappy. But dual pivots don't accommodate big tires. When I point out that disc brakes have slightly better performance in wet weather, they point out that they won't ever ride in wet weather.
It's not a slam dunk, but by those criteria rim brakes aren't much to write home about either. There is a huge variation in quality. High quality, dual pivot calipers are snappy, cheap vee brakes with hardened pads are crappy. What are crappy disc brakes like? Brake noise seems like a coin toss. The disc brakes my Diamondback are excellent, on my wife's Surly, horrible.
I'm not a competitive or fast cyclist, just an old pokey commuter and casual rider. I have a lot of friends in more or less the same boat. Virtually all of them, when they've tried a bike with disc brakes, think the difference is night and day. One friend thinks I have a death wish because one of my bikes has rim brakes. But they're comparing new disc brakes on decent quality bikes to the crappy vee brakes with hardened pads and gummed up cables on their old bikes. When they have tried my dual pivots, they agree that they're pretty snappy. But dual pivots don't accommodate big tires. When I point out that disc brakes have slightly better performance in wet weather, they point out that they won't ever ride in wet weather.
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Do you understand that this is, yet ANOTHER, thread about rim vs disc brakes? Okay.
You get that it's a troll thread, correct? Good.
What my post solved was showing that rims....are discs. Get it? It's a play on words. There's no question to be answered no solutions as to which is better at all because a rim is shaped like a disc...GET IT?
Good grief people....Okay, I gotta quit trying to converse with people who ride in the Hum Drum Vee.
I'll wonder, in sadness, back to the Fun Vee and you geniuses can finally solve the "problem" of rim/disc once and for all.
Jesus Christ.
You get that it's a troll thread, correct? Good.
What my post solved was showing that rims....are discs. Get it? It's a play on words. There's no question to be answered no solutions as to which is better at all because a rim is shaped like a disc...GET IT?
Good grief people....Okay, I gotta quit trying to converse with people who ride in the Hum Drum Vee.
I'll wonder, in sadness, back to the Fun Vee and you geniuses can finally solve the "problem" of rim/disc once and for all.
Jesus Christ.
You need to stop eating cat vomit, it's ruining your disposition.
05-12-21, 06:15 PM
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That is an excellent point. Even neglected bikes with old caliper, V brakes or cantis will still work, though not as well. And they can usually be brought back to specs by changing out pads, which is something even a novice mechanic can do. Discs, especially lower end discs haven't been around long enough to know how they might perform if neglected for years. The other thing I wonder about is whether the current models will still be supported by someone in the future.
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Too early to tell. We are clearly beyond the "early adopter" stage but not very far into the "mature" stage, by which I mean that they cover the price range from top to bottom. I'd like to see how they behave when they've been neglected, abused, left out all winter, and so forth. I'd like to see what questions beginners ask about maintaining them on BF -- what kinds of problems actually emerge, and how do people cope with them? What's it look like to replace a damaged disc brake on a 20 year old bike?
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Either choice is better than no bike at all....
05-13-21, 06:43 AM
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Thread has been circling the bowl for a while.
Thread closed.
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