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Old 05-15-21, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Cyclists who refuse to yield to pedestrians in the bike lane piss me off TBH, like look behind you and merge with the traffic, I saw an old man (70+) get off the road because an approaching cyclist signaled him to so he wouldn't have to cycle in the traffic. Who cares if they are going the wrong way, you're operating a vehicle avoid the pedestrians. gesturing them to move is incredibly entitled and rude imo
Let me get this straight. You feel that the person following the law is entitled and rude for wanting others to also follow the law?
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In the late 70s, I was riding around Grey Army Airfield near the clothing store and a Lieutenant did a dress right dress of of the sidewalk into my path. I went over the bars and managed a judo roll. I Got up and was straightening mp handlebars and the Lieutenant started screaming at me. There were a few other officers who saw what he did and sent him on his way. I avoid bicycle paths and public paths wen ever possible. Most of the time when I encounter others walking in the road on a paved shoulder I can use more of the lane to give them a wide birth. The few times I have been on a public path I adjust my speed accordingly. I have had the occasional conflicts over the years but fortunately not allot. I am not perfect but better at holding mp temper then some.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Let me get this straight. You feel that the person following the law is entitled and rude for wanting others to also follow the law?
I am the sweetest guy to those who follow the flow. 2 or 3 abreast walkers on a trail taking one lane, I will give a warning, slow, pass cautiously. To those runners coming head on and move off to the side or hop on the curb, I will smile and say thanks. To the little 3 year old kid walking aimlessly on a trail, I will stop if I have to in order to get around the kid safely,

But an obnoxious runner that is taking the outside of a bike lane when I am coming straight along on the correct path, with cars coming behind me and does not move, I have no problem giving him a vocal greeting. Totally obnoxious, inconsiderate, and downright dangerous. Ok, so it's safe for his knees, so what if I get killed? His precious knees are too special to hop on the sidewalk for 5 seconds or the sweet dirt trail next to him.

This is the bike lane I spoke of earlier when someone asked where I ride. Small narrow bike lane, and a runner coming straight at me in the center of the bike lane is total nonsense when there is a sweet trail just on the other side of the fence that runs along the same course. No dips, no driveways, no concrete, no pavement. Nice smooth trail that is much easier on the knees than concrete or blacktop.

Why in the world would a jogger hog the bike lane when he sees a cyclist using the lane with cars behind him? Totally obnoxious and privileged personality.

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Let me get this straight. You feel that the person following the law is entitled and rude for wanting others to also follow the law?

Hate to break it to you, but the law pretty much everywhere is you have to avoid hitting pedestrians even if the pedestrian is acting illegally. If they're in a bike lane, but I can pass safely, I'm going to consider it a technical violation of the law, not even worth noticing. If, and I'm pretty sure I have never actually seen this in many, many thousands of miles, I would need them to move over, I would use my words.
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Hate to break it to you, but the law pretty much everywhere is you have to avoid hitting pedestrians even if the pedestrian is acting illegally. If they're in a bike lane, but I can pass safely, I'm going to consider it a technical violation of the law, not even worth noticing. If, and I'm pretty sure I have never actually seen this in many, many thousands of miles, I would need them to move over, I would use my words.
But, but, the bike lane is for BIKES! There shouldnít be anyone or anything besides bicycles in the bike lane.
Itís too dangerous to ride in the street without the fear of pedestrian incursions.
That way, they donít have to use their bell, or even wave.
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Originally Posted by Ironfish653 View Post
But, but, the bike lane is for BIKES! There shouldnít be anyone or anything besides bicycles in the bike lane.
Itís too dangerous to ride in the street without the fear of pedestrian incursions.
That way, they donít have to use their bell, or even wave.
I'm a fast rider, so if I'm in the bike lane, chances are I'm going to have to pass slower cyclists. It's quite obviously the same exact action and we're all acting quite legally. Pulling it off safely is hardly any kind of serious challenge. So does it magically become a threat because the runner is violating some ordinance?
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Hate to break it to you, but the law pretty much everywhere is you have to avoid hitting pedestrians even if the pedestrian is acting illegally. If they're in a bike lane, but I can pass safely, I'm going to consider it a technical violation of the law, not even worth noticing. If, and I'm pretty sure I have never actually seen this in many, many thousands of miles, I would need them to move over, I would use my words.
Nobody here is advocating for hitting the pedestrian. Even the meanest roadie knows it's likely to hurt them more than the ped. You seemed to be suggesting that gesturing to the ped that they shouldn't be there (hopefully while taking steps to avoid colliding with them) is somehow showing entitlement and rudeness. In such a case, the ped is still the only one breaking the law. If a cyclist is dumb enough to play chicken with them, that's a whole other story.

I'm glad you have never needed them to get out of the way. Here in Los Angeles, it happens plenty. The biggest reason is, when the ped is going AGAINST traffic, I can't just slow down and tuck in behind them until there's a safe opening to pass (which is what I do with cyclists/runners/peds going the same direction) and there are streets busy enough to have 15+ cars following each other a little too closely in a row. The best I can do in those situations is come to a stop as much to one side as possible. Now I will say that at least 9 out of 10 times, the ped moves over to make enough room for a safe pass. The outliers will keep running directly toward me and even brush against me when I have nowhere else to go.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I'm a fast rider, so if I'm in the bike lane, chances are I'm going to have to pass slower cyclists. It's quite obviously the same exact action and we're all acting quite legally. Pulling it off safely is hardly any kind of serious challenge. So does it magically become a threat because the runner is violating some ordinance?
I think that was sarcasm, but read my above post about why it can be dangerous. Again, it's usually not a problem, but it can be.
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So does it magically become a threat because the runner is violating some ordinance?
Yes, running is a violation of The Rules: Rule #42, to be exact.

Runners, like those Dirty Heathens on mountain bikes have no purpose violating the sanctity of the Bike Lane

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I am the sweetest guy to those who follow the flow. 2 or 3 abreast walkers on a trail taking one lane, I will give a warning, slow, pass cautiously. To those runners coming head on and move off to the side or hop on the curb, I will smile and say thanks. To the little 3 year old kid walking aimlessly on a trail, I will stop if I have to in order to get around the kid safely,

But an obnoxious runner that is taking the outside of a bike lane when I am coming straight along on the correct path, with cars coming behind me and does not move, I have no problem giving him a vocal greeting. Totally obnoxious, inconsiderate, and downright dangerous. Ok, so it's safe for his knees, so what if I get killed? His precious knees are too special to hop on the sidewalk for 5 seconds or the sweet dirt trail next to him.

This is the bike lane I spoke of earlier when someone asked where I ride. Small narrow bike lane, and a runner coming straight at me in the center of the bike lane is total nonsense when there is a sweet trail just on the other side of the fence that runs along the same course. No dips, no driveways, no concrete, no pavement. Nice smooth trail that is much easier on the knees than concrete or blacktop.

Why in the world would a jogger hog the bike lane when he sees a cyclist using the lane with cars behind him? Totally obnoxious and privileged personality.

Where's the "bike lane?" That narrow strip between the curb and white paint? That isn't a bike lane. That's just the road shoulder. Riding a bike there is an invitation to disaster.
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I ran for years before slowly transitioning to becoming a full time cyclist. Unless the streets were crazy busy with cars, I always ran in the street or bike lanes. As others have pointed out, asphalt is a bit softer, it isnít likely to be broken up like concrete sidewalks and doesnít have the annoying up and down of cub cut transitions to the roadway. Was passed by many cyclists with never a comment. I figure it was just like passing a very slow moving cyclist. If I knew a bike was behind me, I would jump out of the street.
The way you've worded your experience however, it sounds like you ran with traffic, not against it? Otherwise, a cyclist going 20mph, and runner coming at them at say 7mph, has combined head-on passing speed of 27mph -- not much like a faster cyclist passing a slower cyclist. For a cyclist passing a runner going the same direction, it's a lot easier to do this safely as they can simply slow down and wait for opportune time to go into traffic and around the runner.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Where's the "bike lane?" That narrow strip between the curb and white paint? That isn't a bike lane. That's just the road shoulder. Riding a bike there is an invitation to disaster.

It is actually the start of the bike lane. There is a sign there, not pictured that says bike lane starts here. Gets a little wider but I have had a runner at this point coming head on with me and would not move.
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Where's the "bike lane?" That narrow strip between the curb and white paint? That isn't a bike lane. That's just the road shoulder. Riding a bike there is an invitation to disaster.
I haven't measured the street pictured, but I believe the minimum width for a compulsory bike lane in CA is 4', including the gutter. Even if it's less than 4', and even if there's debris in it (or a runner!), good luck convincing a cop not to give you a ticket for being outside of it, or a judge not to uphold that ticket.
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I haven't measured the street pictured, but I believe the minimum width for a compulsory bike lane in CA is 4', including the gutter. Even if it's less than 4', and even if there's debris in it (or a runner!), good luck convincing a cop not to give you a ticket for being outside of it, or a judge not to uphold that ticket.
If this is the same Banyan street. The other side of the street has the nicer path/sidewalk.


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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
If this is the same Banyan street. The other side of the street has the nicer path/sidewalk.

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Thanks to many real life experiences, I consider a separated bike path or MUP to be more dangerous than the road. (Not sure if you were suggesting that cyclists use it, or runners/peds, or what)

But thanks for the image. With that official sign there, it is definitely considered compulsory... at least by someone with power.
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Let me get this straight. You feel that the person following the law is entitled and rude for wanting others to also follow the law?
Yes, also who cares about the law. Cyclists yield to pedestrians, end of story, it doesn't matter if they are walking around in the bikelane like a clueless idiot. Unless there is fast traffic and its unsafe to get in the road, which is rare, I would never gesture for a pedestrian to move. Same for some idiot going the wrong way in the bike lane
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
If this is the same Banyan street. The other side of the street has the nicer path/sidewalk.


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Same one, just a bit east of my image. And yes, runners run against traffic in the bike lane too. Looks pretty easy to hop up for a few seconds if there is a cyclist approaching with traffic at his back.
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Unless there is fast traffic and its unsafe to get in the road, which is rare, I would never gesture for a pedestrian to move.
Unless, unless! Maybe you should read all my posts. I mentioned fast traffic. In the images above, narrow bike lane with traffic doing about 55 in those sections with a runner blocking the lane with a nice sidewalk 10 inches away, is that not fast enough for you?

I will also toss in, there is a rock company (?) down the way so there are also semis traveling that road. Doesn't matter how fast they go, if the runner is going to force me out in front of a semi because they feel entitled, I'm waving my arm.

Of course someone with copper tubing ziptied to their handlebars doing group rides probably has an insufficient understanding of safety!

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^^^^^^^^^^^^ That road and bike lane sucks. Where is this?


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NEVERMIND, I JUST SAW THE LITTLE MAP INSET.



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bike lanes are a joke in the detroit metro area. heavy debris, missing chunks of pavement, sewage back-up in some low areas, bums camping out in it if the lane is besides a curb. If the lane is well kept, smooth, & clearly marked; the runners seem to be self identifying as a BSO & are running in it.
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bike lanes are a joke in the detroit metro area. heavy debris, missing chunks of pavement, sewage back-up in some low areas, bums camping out in it if the lane is besides a curb. If the lane is well kept, smooth, & clearly marked; the runners seem to be self identifying as a BSO & are running in it.

The lanes I show in my images, I don't even bother riding that area any longer. Mostly because of the narrow lanes, and FAST traffic. Not to mention the runners who take the lane in the incorrect direction. I have encountered too many here. Some even walking dogs or 2 abreast with the nice sidewalk and trail there. Amazing how people lack common sense. It was a cycling haven just a few short years ago. But looking at the satellite, they have built several schools, homes, businesses and though it is nice terrain, the conditions suck.

Now west of this area, there is Claremont. Some really nice bike lanes. Wide lanes with a wide shoulder on the right, without parked cars. Now if a jogger runs there, it is not a problem, moving or not. Room for us all. Beautiful clean bike lanes. Even then, some cyclists will take a lane rather than a nice bike lane. I don't agree with that either. Holding up 50 mph traffic doing 15.
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...which is rare...
Speak for yourself, or come visit some day.
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Nobody here is advocating for hitting the pedestrian. Even the meanest roadie knows it's likely to hurt them more than the ped. You seemed to be suggesting that gesturing to the ped that they shouldn't be there (hopefully while taking steps to avoid colliding with them) is somehow showing entitlement and rudeness. In such a case, the ped is still the only one breaking the law. If a cyclist is dumb enough to play chicken with them, that's a whole other story.

I'm glad you have never needed them to get out of the way. Here in Los Angeles, it happens plenty. The biggest reason is, when the ped is going AGAINST traffic, I can't just slow down and tuck in behind them until there's a safe opening to pass (which is what I do with cyclists/runners/peds going the same direction) and there are streets busy enough to have 15+ cars following each other a little too closely in a row. The best I can do in those situations is come to a stop as much to one side as possible. Now I will say that at least 9 out of 10 times, the ped moves over to make enough room for a safe pass. The outliers will keep running directly toward me and even brush against me when I have nowhere else to go.

Fair enough, I probably violated my own rule by not taking into account that people act differently in different parts of the country.

Just based on my experience with this on MUPs, I find that words are a heck of a lot more effective than whatever the gesture is for "hey!"
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Fair enough, I probably violated my own rule by not taking into account that people act differently in different parts of the country.

Just based on my experience with this on MUPs, I find that words are a heck of a lot more effective than whatever the gesture is for "hey!"
Youíre probably right that words would be more effective than gestures, especially since half the time theyíre staring at their phone. I generally just slow down until I find the safest way through. Not making any record attempts anyway.
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