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Old 10-06-21, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
I don't do a lot of soft-pedalling on downhills. More often, I'll just lift myself out of the saddle a bit and stretch my hamstrings/calves.
todays ride was not the norm, but typically I practicing waiving when not pedaling. It reassures the waive is genuine when no other motions are going. A real waive goes a long ways!
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Originally Posted by Troul View Post
todays ride was not the norm, but typically I practicing waiving when not pedaling. It reassures the waive is genuine when no other motions are going. A real waive goes a long ways!
What do you waive?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
What do you waive?
soft pedaling?
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
Thanks. I actually find it difficult to pedal without resistance and somewhat keep a constant cadence that's why I'm asking but seems like everyone is saying it's a good thing so I'm going to do it. Just remind myself to stop pedaling in the turns!
Very good plan, especially in tight turns with lots of lean.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
What do you waive?
a tidal gesture
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Old 10-06-21, 03:27 PM
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So, I tried hard to get faster this year. I understand a lot of people don't care about fast, me among them for most of my cycling life. By fast, I'm talking a whopping 15-17 mph albeit in a very hilly area and I'm old (68). One thing I've learned is that downhill speed is an easy way to get your avg. speed up. Coast in the low 20's if you like or pedal reasonably to get to high 20's/low/mid 30's. You'll see a big boost in mph if you choose the latter without burning up your legs, almost feels like cheating. You'll always gain power by pedaling until you get close to 40 mph and you spin out. Just something I've learned this year as I'm having some fun pushing myself. For those that don't care about avg. speed , pay no attention and have fun.
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Originally Posted by Champlaincycler View Post
One thing I've learned is that downhill speed is an easy way to get your avg. speed up. Coast in the low 20's if you like or pedal reasonably to get to high 20's/low/mid 30's. You'll see a big boost in mph if you choose the latter without burning up your legs, almost feels like cheating. You'll always gain power by pedaling until you get close to 40 mph and you spin out. Just something I've learned this year as I'm having some fun pushing myself. For those that don't care about avg. speed , pay no attention and have fun.
You must be riding in flat country?

The biggest "boost" on average speed is climbing. That's because you spent a lot more time climbing than descending (assuming you ride a loop, which has as many miles going up as down).
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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy View Post
"Coach Fred Matheny Replies: Soft pedaling means turning the crank without applying force. You're actually coasting but with the pedals still going around. .
Or when riding fixed, something similar pretty much is coasting. Neither adding nor subtracting, just following through.

As for the loud hubs, while it can be done to an annoying degree when used judiciously they also make a nice little audible passing indicator.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
My road bike has King hubs. They aren't nearly as loud as a lot of other hubs I have heard.

My impression is that the vibration frequency of the frame can make them louder. Some bikes sound like there's a maniac wielding a power tool.
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Originally Posted by Troul View Post
the default ringtone is "chris king" set on 100% volume.
It's the new buzz for tech tones.

I couldn't put that on my phone because every time it rang, I'd feel a need to pass it just out of spite.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
What do you waive?

If he's got Chris King hubs, his right to remain silent.

Rim shot.
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Originally Posted by atnyc View Post
You must be riding in flat country?

The biggest "boost" on average speed is climbing. That's because you spent a lot more time climbing than descending (assuming you ride a loop, which has as many miles going up as down).
I live in a very hilly area, even mountainous. I just can't gain that much overall speed climbing, maybe 1-2 mph over a long climb. But that mile downhill at 28-30 vs 20 adds up over a ride. I get your point but going fast downhill is easy and does help if just a little. I do chicken out when I get to the mid 30's. If 2 people climb at the same speed, and one bombs a downhill and pulls ahead by a quarter mile, he's the faster one isn't he? If you beat me on a climb but I catch you on the other side, aren't we equally fast? Flats are another story, wish I had more of them.
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Old 10-08-21, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by UniChris View Post
Or when riding fixed, something similar pretty much is coasting. Neither adding nor subtracting, just following through.
Yes. Rider input matters at every instant on FG. If you provide precisely the internal work of pedaling at the current pedal speed but no more, then the bike will just respond to the other forces.

If you don’t provide that internal work, the pedals will do it for you. The bike will be doing that work and your legs will slow down the bike.

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Up hill, down hill or on the flats, if you're on a group ride, soft pedaling sends a signal to the guy drafting you that things are okay and to stay close.
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There is a condition called 'Café Legs' which is when you stop for a break/meal/coffee and your legs feel like cement when you try to get back on the bike. A long downhill where you are coasting can cause a similar effect, esp. when you are hours into a long ride.
If the downhill is only a few seconds (less than a minute) or you just started riding for the day then it likely isn't an issue.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I like to keep the pedals moving in a group ride or race so you can instantly apply pressure again. Keeps things much smoother. On a hill, I don't know if there's much benefit other than keeping your legs loose.
I like to keep the pedals moving in a group ride just so the guy on the front doesn't realize how little work I'm doing.
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Ridding downhill... Fun... It's really the only time I get to spin... Ha
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I couldn't put that on my phone because every time it rang, I'd feel a need to pass it just out of spite.
You have the best sig line. I laugh every time I see it !
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Being a ‘chump’, I soft pedal Zwift (otherwise know as fake riding) on some downhills after prolonged efforts so my avatar doesn’t just stop and look more pathetic than it already is.
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Originally Posted by atnyc View Post
You must be riding in flat country?

The biggest "boost" on average speed is climbing. That's because you spent a lot more time climbing than descending (assuming you ride a loop, which has as many miles going up as down).
Yes, but this isn't zero sum, you can do both. The downhill boost requires fairly minimal energy, getting the "boost" on uphill is comparative harder work.
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The very first thing I was taught about cycling was KEEP PEDALING. Do not coast, keep the pedals moving. That lesson would have occurred at Allen’s Schwinn Cyclery, Villa Park, Illinois, and the teacher was Old Man Allen. Standing next to him and nodding sagely was one of the old six day racers. Not sure, but in retrospect the old racer was probably Jimmy Walthour, who I would get to know later. This would have been 1964 and I would have been 12 years old. Everything since then confirms the lesson.Those old guys never told me anything wrong.

All the reasons given so far in thread are correct. A few more follow.

The bicycle is controlled with the pedals. If the pedals aren’t moving control is sacrificed or delayed. At best the inertia of static legs has to be overcome before full control resumes. You don’t want that delay, you want full control always.

Coasting signals to everyone around you that you are slowing and possibly stopping. If you don’t want to send that message don’t send that signal.

Coasting signals to everyone around that you are a raw novice.

There are certainly even more reasons I forgot over the past 57 years. Just keep the pedals moving. It works.
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Coasting signals to everyone around that you are a raw novice.
Right…..
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I grew up near Glacier National Park in Montana and would ride the Going-to-the-Sun Road a couple times per year. Once the road heads upward it's 12 miles to Logan Pass. I was never good at soft pedaling much on the way down so the legs would feel pretty dead once getting back to level ground for the final miles of the ride.
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I'll pedal a bit between corners on longer descents. Mostly I like to be in the right gear, that is a gear where I could start pedalling at a reasonable cadence and force if I wanted to accelerate, rather than finding myself going 25mph and trying to pedal a 39 x 30, or going 15 mph trying to turn 53 x 12. On short, steep, straight descents I like to spin up to 35 mph or so then tuck to see what speed I can reach.
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Coasting signals to everyone around that you are a raw novice.

Look at this newb:

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