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Old 10-08-21, 01:10 PM
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I do not know if there are benefits, but I look down and realize I'm doing it from time to time
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Old 10-08-21, 01:26 PM
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There are so many variables, one of which is how many people have a solid 20 minute 10 mile descent at say 30mph.

Another aspect is weather. 80 degrees on a nice sunny day effects my muscles a lot less than 55 degrees and overcast. And that doesn’t even address the sub-40 degree folks.

For me it is a mixed bag, and I’m not pushing as hard as when I was younger. But steep to not as steep to steep with sweeper turns vs tighter turns influences the tuck vs pedal vs inside pedal at 12 o’clock.

And if you ride a familiar route you generally know what gear you need to be in and where to engage pedaling.

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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Be as literal minded as you wish, you always are. Also note that Froome is descending solo and there is no one on a bike nearby to take a signal.

Only those on fixed are going to pedal 100% all the way down every downhill. Everyone (with a freewheel)is going to sometimes coast a bit to adjust the gap to wheel in front. How many nits shall we pick? Does not change a thing and you know that.

The general theme here seems to be that in all cases everyone should ride a bike any way they please and that it never makes a difference. There is nothing to know and nothing to learn. Anti-social behavior in the group or on public roads or on the forums is all good. Have at it.
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Old 10-08-21, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Froome is pedaling quite a bit in a situation where it is awkward to pedal at all.
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Old 10-08-21, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 63rickert View Post
Coasting signals to everyone around that you are a raw novice.
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Be as literal minded as you wish, you always are. Also note that Froome is descending solo and there is no one on a bike nearby to take a signal.

Only those on fixed are going to pedal 100% all the way down every downhill. Everyone (with a freewheel)is going to sometimes coast a bit to adjust the gap to wheel in front. How many nits shall we pick? Does not change a thing and you know that.

The general theme here seems to be that in all cases everyone should ride a bike any way they please and that it never makes a difference. There is nothing to know and nothing to learn. Anti-social behavior in the group or on public roads or on the forums is all good. Have at it.

No, what I know is you posted your latest arbitrary designation of some aspect of how other people ride as being jejune. Sorry if we aren't all lining up to genuflect at the "Keeper of the Traditions" bit.
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Old 10-08-21, 02:55 PM
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Fake pedaling as in pretending I'm doing something in a slow group and spare them the sound of my awesomely loud freehub? It's just manners, really.

Downhill, I don't do it. It seems silly. If I can't put out a useful amount of extra power, I'm going to go faster downhill if I get really low, and I can't do that and pedal.

Tradition might say otherwise, but tradition said a lot of things over time which turned out to be just stories.
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Old 10-08-21, 02:59 PM
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Traditions are always wrong. That is how they become traditions.
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Old 10-08-21, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 63rickert View Post

Only those on fixed are going to pedal 100% all the way down every downhill.
I am a fixed gear rider. When I ride downhill on my fixed gear I stop pedaling and pushing forward on my cranks and relax my legs. I just allow the spinning cranks to move my relaxed legs. It almost looks like I am pedaling but I am not, my legs are just moving. I only apply some back pressure on my pedals to control my speed but I am not actually pedaling.
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Old 10-08-21, 05:49 PM
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Some may find this article on the topic interesting:

Cycling: Uphill and Downhill

On the assumption that most folks won’t bother to read the article, here are the author’s conclusions:

The primary forces a cyclist must overcome are air resistance and gravity. Air resistance increases exponentially with speed. In the transition from cycling on a flat road to climbing a hill, the decreased speed reduces air resistance to the point where drafting other riders provides little benefit. At this point, riders with superior aerobic power to weight ratios will be able to breakaway from the peloton. Due to scaling considerations, this favors smaller riders. Climbing ability can be enhanced by minimizing weight, and also by pedaling at a consistently high cadence. Large cyclists can achieve greater downhill speeds, but overall performance still favors smaller cyclists on hilly courses. Overall performance is enhanced by using a variable power strategy: increasing effort slightly on uphills and compensating with decreased effort on downhills. On extremely steep descents, it is necessary to pedal only at the start and when coming out of turns, in order to quickly achieve terminal velocity.”

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Old 10-08-21, 10:13 PM
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Coasting signals to everyone around that you are a raw novice.”

Hello. My name is RSbob, I coast and am a raw novice.

(I have been a raw novice for 35 years and even coasted today - (several cars are witnesses) which means I am forever doomed). Shucky darn.
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Old 10-09-21, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 63rickert View Post
Froome is pedaling quite a bit in a situation where it is awkward to pedal at all.

He's also coasting a lot for long distances. Pretty much contradicts everything you were saying about what coasting "signals". This guy is alternating pedaling downhill in a form I'm pretty sure no one on this forum is capable of and coasting. It certainly wasn't signaling he was slowing or that he was a raw novice. It's not nitpicky to point that out, it's a fundamental refutation.

You said something dumb, get over it.
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Old 10-09-21, 06:33 AM
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Fake pedaling is good, so people won't realize you actually have a battery and motor hidden in your frame as you fly past them.
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Old 10-09-21, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by atnyc View Post
You must be riding in flat country?

The biggest "boost" on average speed is climbing. That's because you spent a lot more time climbing than descending (assuming you ride a loop, which has as many miles going up as down).
I don’t think anyone is questioning to need to pedal on the climbs…
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Originally Posted by rsbob View Post
Coasting signals to everyone around that you are a raw novice.”

Hello. My name is RSbob, I coast and am a raw novice.

(I have been a raw novice for 35 years and even coasted today - (several cars are witnesses) which means I am forever doomed). Shucky darn.
If I don’t want to change, do I get to feel naughty for coasting? 😊

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What if you pedal your bike from coast to coast?
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Originally Posted by Branko D View Post
Downhill, I don't do it. It seems silly. If I can't put out a useful amount of extra power, I'm going to go faster downhill if I get really low, and I can't do that and pedal.
Things bugging my thoughts is maintaining blood circulation, maintaining heart rate (even if you're making 0 watts), and what others said about flushing out lactic acid from the muscles faster.

Not really to increase average speed but for making hard rides less painful and if possible to avoid sore muscles after the ride.
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Things bugging my thoughts is maintaining blood circulation, maintaining heart rate (even if you're making 0 watts), and what others said about flushing out lactic acid from the muscles faster.

Not really to increase average speed but for making hard rides less painful and if possible to avoid sore muscles after the ride.
It doesn’t really increase your average speed, unless you’re only soft-pedaling after you’ve spun out your top gear on the descent and are approaching terminal velocity.

The lactic acid ‘flushing’ is debatable, but what soft-pedaling does do is keep your muscles and circulation ticking over at a ‘low idle’ rather than fully at rest. Keeps you from tightening up (especially in cool weather) and makes the ramp up for the next climb less abrupt.
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Fake pedaling is good, so people won't realize you actually have a battery and motor hidden in your frame as you fly past them.
Pedalec eBikes need only to have the cranks rotating at the slightest effort to maintain the full motor power setting.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I'm wondering if there is benefit of spinning the pedals with no resistance such as when going downhill?

Or just stop spinning and freewheel downhill?
Freewheeling is pernicious. Shift up to your highest gear if you must in order to effect some torque as you go downhill, get low in the drops, and keep pedaling as hard as you can. In a 50-11gear, you have to pedal at around 140 rpm cadence to go 50 mph, and chances are you are not going that fast. A good downhill is a terrible thing to waste.
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i read an article somewhere that it helps to remove lactic acid and keeps the muscles warm.
I do think pedaling at about 60-70 RPM helps prevent leg cramps. It also lets you know when the slope changes. AND it drives my wife nuts to see me pedaling downhill, so consider the impact/intimidation factor for other riders.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I'm wondering if there is benefit of spinning the pedals with no resistance such as when going downhill?

Or just stop spinning and freewheel downhill?
well
downhill is so much faster and shorter, i would rather just rest
any benefit would be short lived
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I'm wondering if there is benefit of spinning the pedals with no resistance such as when going downhill?

Or just stop spinning and freewheel downhill?
Going down hill, you can always up shift your gears so you can have more resistance and go down faster. If you don't want to go faster, then you can just coast down and not pedal. I like to pedal a little to keep in check with the chain.
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It makes absolutely no difference if you pedal downhill or coast downhill. There are no benefits to either one., just do what is comfortable to you.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I'm wondering if there is benefit of spinning the pedals with no resistance such as when going downhill?

Or just stop spinning and freewheel downhill?
I 'spose I might soft-pedal a downhill but only if it's for recovery from the hard climb I just completed. Otherwise I'm either pedaling the downhill with a similar effort (and bigger gear), or freewheeling and dropping into an aero tuck. The decision is based on how steep the downhill is and how much I need a bit of a break from pedaling

This year I joined a recreational cycling club and have gone on group rides about twice/week. On the relaxed paced rides, I don't find myself soft-pedaling much because the gaps are bigger (at least I usually leave a bigger gap), but on the faster paced rides (avg >17mph) I find I soft-pedal quite a bit instead of coasting when the gap from me to the rider(s) ahead is shrinking. I don't know why I continue pedaling easy instead of coasting. I guess I feel I can respond faster when the gap starts to increase (which it almost always does a few seconds later).
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Originally Posted by Gonzo Bob View Post
I 'spose I might soft-pedal a downhill but only if it's for recovery from the hard climb I just completed. Otherwise I'm either pedaling the downhill with a similar effort (and bigger gear)
I could but situations doesn't allow me to go faster than 30 mph without compromising safety. I even wear very loose, very draggy, quick dry clothing to help me from going too fast in the downhill and improve workout value at reduced and safer speeds.

I often reach 30 mph downhill just coasting (no braking). Thus the question, to stop pedaling or continue pedaling with zero or just a tiny amount of resistance. Which one is better for reducing or avoiding sore muscles during and after the ride.
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