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Are people changing their chains way too often?

Old 10-07-21, 11:35 AM
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Are people changing their chains way too often?

Got a road bike about 3-3 1/2 years ago. Was told that first year to replace the chain every 2,000-3,000 miles, something like that. And that if I didn't, it would wear out the sprocket, crank. And since chain is the least expensive, better to sacrifice a decent chain for the long-term good of the more expensive stuff that an older chain will ruin. OK, so started doing that.

Then, sometimes with a new chain, it would skip a little, and so some folks on here who work in bike shops say whenever you buy a new chain, buy a new sprocket too. I didn't follow that advice. Found that the new chain would slowly take the shape of the old sprocket, or for whatever reason, it would start working better.

Now, I can't get a new sprocket because of global supply issues. Was told by bike shop just to stay with old chain and sprocket as long as I could hold out. Now, whole drive chain is working as well as ever. Except for the chain coming off every 10 rides or so, everything seems fine. No skipping, no problems. I don't know how many miles I'm into this chain, but it's probably 6,000.

And finally, I've had a hybrid bike for probably 8 years now. I've never gotten a new chain. I don't know how many miles it has on it. Not as much as my road bike because the old hybrid is in semi-retirement.

So why should I buy so many new chains?
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Old 10-07-21, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CoogansBluff View Post
Got a road bike about 3-3 1/2 years ago. Was told that first year to replace the chain every 2,000-3,000 miles, something like that. And that if I didn't, it would wear out the sprocket, crank. And since chain is the least expensive, better to sacrifice a decent chain for the long-term good of the more expensive stuff that an older chain will ruin. OK, so started doing that.

Then, sometimes with a new chain, it would skip a little, and so some folks on here who work in bike shops say whenever you buy a new chain, buy a new sprocket too. I didn't follow that advice. Found that the new chain would slowly take the shape of the old sprocket, or for whatever reason, it would start working better.

Now, I can't get a new sprocket because of global supply issues. Was told by bike shop just to stay with old chain and sprocket as long as I could hold out. Now, whole drive chain is working as well as ever. Except for the chain coming off every 10 rides or so, everything seems fine. No skipping, no problems. I don't know how many miles I'm into this chain, but it's probably 6,000.

And finally, I've had a hybrid bike for probably 8 years now. I've never gotten a new chain. I don't know how many miles it has on it. Not as much as my road bike because the old hybrid is in semi-retirement.

So why should I buy so many new chains?
You answered the question in your first paragraph.
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Old 10-07-21, 11:55 AM
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There is no One right solution, but, the longer you wait, the more likely "new chain skip" is. I betting it is true a worn chain wears more on the cogs. Reason being a worn chain develops uneven distance between the rollers, gradually shifting the load to only half the rollers/teeth.
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Old 10-07-21, 12:00 PM
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The cheap China made chain, sprocket, and rings on my bike is about 8000 miles now and no skipping yet, chain never comes off, and still shifting very smoothly on all sprockets. Although the 3rd sprocket and big ring is showing some wear (I use them most of the time), the plastic jockey wheels on the RD still looks exactly like new, no wear at all.

I also wonder how bad it should be before I should consider replacing.
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Old 10-07-21, 12:19 PM
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Once there is any measurable wear they need to be changed as a set, just run them til gone. Chains are cheap unless you have a new high end bike, I find a $10-$20 dollar chain once a year makes the rest of the driveline last indefinately.
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OP, this isn't complicated but you got some incomplete info as to when the chain should be replaced. Change it based on actual wear, rather than mileage or age. You will have to measure it, either with a ruler or a chain checker gadget. Both have their proponents, Google it. Change your cassette when a new chain skips or otherwise acts up. Most people get two or three chains per cassette.
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Old 10-07-21, 12:24 PM
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When you've worn the chain and the sprockets down to the point you have to replace the chainrings...

Well, when I did that, I really wished I'd replaced the chain sooner!
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Old 10-07-21, 01:06 PM
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I'm betting more chains are cleaned too infrequently, than are changed too soon.

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Old 10-07-21, 01:13 PM
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Measure your chain for wear and you'll know. When I first started coming here a dozen years or so ago, I didn't understand all the chain wearing out controversy I saw in the threads. But I was riding stuff from antiquity and maybe the old beefier chains for a five and six speed rear just lasted forever. Or at least as long as I ever kept any one bike.

Once I got into somewhat more modern times by putting the latest and greatest edition of 105 5800 on my '91 Paramount, I found that my chain wore out in only 5000 miles. So now I'm anxiously awaiting to see if the chain on my Tarmac does the same. But so far at 4K it isn't showing any wear yet. Maybe I baby this one and lube it more or something.

You do know how to check your chain for wear don't you? Either with a metal scale or tape or a chain checker tool.
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Old 10-07-21, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry2 View Post
I'm betting more chains are cleaned too infrequently, than are changed too soon.

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I'll also add that many people are using unnecessarily sticky lubes for their bikes. I initially used basic Finish Line Dry Teflon tube and that gunked up like crazy. Probably also because I never wiped down after lubing. I also literally never cleaned my chain. Mechanic said my chain was gone after 1800 miles.

I've since switched to MSW and chains basically last indefinitely. I've got a CC-4 to confirm. https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/wax-instructions/ ZFC says 10,000 to 40,000km is the expected range. That's upto 24,000 miles. Twice as many as I've ridden on this bike, ever.

The muc-off oil I use for my outdoor commuter in rainy wisconsin is also super sticky - great for storing in the rain. horrible for a "nice" bike.

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Old 10-07-21, 03:55 PM
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A Park Tools CC-4 is a $15 solution to this question.
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Old 10-07-21, 07:16 PM
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Chain wear depends on your riding style and the weather condition that you're riding in.
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The OP raises a good question. I replace my chain when my chain gauge shows it's worn, and about every third chain, the new chain skips so I get a new cassette to go with the new chain. But... if the old chain worked fine with the old cassette, why replace the cassette? Just keep using the old chain with the old cassette. The only reason I can envision is that the worn chain is also causing wear on the chainrings. Replace the chain to preserve the chainrings. But I've never replaced a chainring and don't know how much wear an old chain puts on chainrings compared to a new chain. I'm sure someone here can answer that.

If the old cassette worked fine with the old chain, but skips with the new chain, why not just keep using the old chain and the old cassette?
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Old 10-07-21, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by msu2001la View Post
A Park Tools CC-4 is a $15 solution to this question.
I got one of these last month. My bike is 20+ years old, but there were years I never rode it and I can't even guess how many miles are on it. This year I'm over 1,000 miles and I was sure the chain was probably worn after all this time. Nope, not even 0.5%.

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Old 10-07-21, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by msu2001la View Post
A Park Tools CC-4 is a $15 solution to this question.
I have the $10 version, works like a charm. I get around 3000 miles before the .5 drops in.
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Originally Posted by smashndash View Post
I'll also add that many people are using unnecessarily sticky lubes for their bikes. I initially used basic Finish Line Dry Teflon tube and that gunked up like crazy. Probably also because I never wiped down after lubing. I also literally never cleaned my chain. Mechanic said my chain was gone after 1800 miles.
Castrol Magnatec fully synthetic Stop Start car engine oil (low viscosity 5w30 weight). I use it both as cleaner and wet lube for bike chain and absolutely the best general-purpose lube I have ever used. I only wished I have known about it sooner. Many chains, sprockets, electric motors, and quarters could have been saved.
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Old 10-07-21, 10:31 PM
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When you've worn the chain and the sprockets down to the point you have to replace the chainrings...

Well, when I did that, I really wished I'd replaced the chain sooner!
How do you determine when you "have to" replace the chainring?
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If the old cassette worked fine with the old chain, but skips with the new chain, why not just keep using the old chain and the old cassette?
Running a chain past 0.5-0.75% increases the risk of snapping a chain. Not a huge deal if you're a small person putting out small watts. But if you value your safety, it's worth it.
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It has been my perception that the more expensive drivetrain components have become, the more often the recommendation to replace them. I rode an Ultegra 8sp cassette from 1992 to 2010 - replaced it when a new chain absolutely would not run on it.
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Originally Posted by CoogansBluff View Post
Are people changing their chains way too often?
Based on my shop experience, I would say that most people have never even heard of replacing their chain.
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I go by sound. I slowly spin the cranks backwards and listen closely to the sound when the chain links contact the cog teeth. Obviously the chain needs to be clean and lubed and the tune needs to be perfect. If it's quiet and smooth the chain is good and if it's noisy, which it will be if it's worn out, the chain gets replaced. About 3500 miles for me. Cassette gets replaced every other chain unless I break a tooth.
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Originally Posted by atnyc View Post
How do you determine when you "have to" replace the chainring?
When the " Except for the chain coming off every 10 rides or so" becomes every 5 rides or you get taken by ambulance to the trauma center, whichever comes first.

Chains skipping or coming off is bad and not safe.

If you properly maintain your drivetrain, unlike the OP, you can get 10,000 miles out of a chain, over 30,000 miles from a cassette and over 60,000 miles from a chainring.

When your chainring teeth look like shark's teeth, they are very worn.
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I don't clean my chains or follow any complex chain maintenance procedures. It's a waste of time to remove and clean a chain. One ride on salt covered roads is all it takes to mess up a freshly cleaned chain. All I do is lube it with some WD 40 or motor oil. and replace my chain after every winter.
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I usually replace my chain after winter too. Proper maintenance is hard then. The wear is significantly higher in salty and sandy conditions.
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Originally Posted by Random11 View Post
If the old cassette worked fine with the old chain, but skips with the new chain, why not just keep using the old chain and the old cassette?
Some folks do this, replace both at the same time. You might get half again the life before the wear impacts the function. When chains were $15 and cassettes $40, maybe there wasn't a huge difference in the economics. With current prices, it's hard to swallow a $90 cassette that often. I don't know at what point a worn chain begins to damage the chainrings.
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