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Old 10-10-21, 04:57 PM
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Could You Spare Some Social Change?

Sometimes it's not the number of wheels you're on, but simply remembering our compassion: Op-Ed: A letter to the cyclist who rode by the Atwater bridge on the L.A. River (yahoo.com)

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Old 10-10-21, 05:05 PM
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Sounds as if the writer has a bunch of grievances and vented on some poor guy just trying to ride his bike. Doesn't seem to be any good reason they were obstructing the path.
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Old 10-10-21, 05:46 PM
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Yes, have some empathy for the less fortunate and homeless, but immediately makes a snap judgement about a ‘Spandex-clad’ cyclist he has never met and knows nothing about. Somehow, because of his advocacy work, he feels entitled to judge others as less caring than his noble sacrificing self.

How about don’t stand and chit-chat while blocking the bike path? One hopes Mr. Polansky isn’t dim enough to stand in the middle of the highway for his little tÍte-ŗ-tÍtes.
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Old 10-10-21, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
One hopes Mr. Polansky isn’t dim enough to stand in the middle of the highway for his little tÍte-ŗ-tÍtes.
OR being dim enough to follow through with such activity might benefit many others?
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Old 10-10-21, 11:22 PM
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The author needs a tissue and massage for that wrenched shoulder from patting himself on the back.
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Old 10-11-21, 12:48 AM
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It has been a long time since I rode the LA River. But it is, as well as other other river trails in SoCal, basically a MUP which has varying degrees of people. As such you are always going to have to negotiate your way around.

On the Santa Ana River trail some parts are wide open and others have encampments. Like any other MUP, you ride accordingly. The cyclist should have just moved over and continued on.

There really isn’t a short term solution for the California homeless situation. While I appreciate advocates for the homeless, there are no advocates for those working multiple low paying jobs/side gigs just to survive in an extremely expensive area. They are the most disadvantaged since they may not have the luxury of extra hours to learn a skill.

None of this even addresses the addiction and mental health issues with many of those who are homeless.

Unfortunately everything is just a bandaid for most of the people already there. There needs to be a viable non-college avenue to a skill/trade before they get there. Even more-so for those who are willing to bust their tail trying to keep their head above water.

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I would have rammed them with my rusty heavy wally-grade bike and then apologize

Blocking a road is rude and dangerous. Blocking a bike lane is rude is rude and dangerous.

Blocking either for humanitarian reasons is rude, dangerous, and hypocritical, you deserve to be rammed by a rusty wally bike!
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Old 10-11-21, 03:17 AM
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I have empathy for the cyclist, and not because his bike path is now blocked by another homeless camp. But the social justice lectures belong in the political section.
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Old 10-11-21, 04:50 AM
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The author and whatever advocacy group he purports to work for are quite obviously doing a terrible job.
Why is it that the people that seem to care the most are usually the ones least suited for the task?
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Old 10-11-21, 05:13 AM
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Uh, this is a MUP?! Having to shift lanes to pass pedestrians is normal, if they were only taking up one lane, it doesn't matter if they're conversing or walking, the cyclist was full of crap complaining about it.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I would have rammed them with my rusty heavy wally-grade bike and then apologize

Blocking a road is rude and dangerous. Blocking a bike lane is rude is rude and dangerous.

Blocking either for humanitarian reasons is rude, dangerous, and hypocritical, you deserve to be rammed by a rusty wally bike!

It's one lane of a multi use path. "Blocking" one of the lanes in this manner is normal, and certainly can't be described as inhumane. It certainly isn't dangerous, and "rude" is really stretching it. I go around conversing people on MUPs all the time, and only say enough so they know I'm there and don't back up in front of me.
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Old 10-11-21, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Uh, this is a MUP?! Having to shift lanes to pass pedestrians is normal, if they were only taking up one lane, it doesn't matter if they're conversing or walking, the cyclist was full of crap complaining about it.
Maybe he was angry over having to change his lanes way too often. See what I did there?
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Old 10-11-21, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
It's one lane of a multi use path. "Blocking" one of the lanes in this manner is normal, and certainly can't be described as inhumane. It certainly isn't dangerous, and "rude" is really stretching it. I go around conversing people on MUPs all the time, and only say enough so they know I'm there and don't back up in front of me.
Wasn't thinking of it. We don't have those things here

They probably just needed a horn warning, no need to accelerate to ramming speed and ram them!
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Old 10-11-21, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Uh, this is a MUP?! Having to shift lanes to pass pedestrians is normal, if they were only taking up one lane, it doesn't matter if they're conversing or walking, the cyclist was full of crap complaining about it.
You only have one obviously biased side of the story.
There are plenty of irrational cyclists out there but I wonder in this case. If one lane was wide open why would the cyclist have gotten upset?
Three people can easily spill into the second lane and the fact that the author felt the need to reference them huddling against the barrier could be pretty telling.
Methinks the author is not presenting all the facts.

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Wasn't thinking of it. We don't have those things here

They probably just needed a horn warning, no need to accelerate to ramming speed and ram them!

I figured American MUP etiquette isn't something you'd be familiar with, hence the misunderstanding. I'd probably just say "hi" in this situation, which comes up pretty much any time I ride on a MUP.

The real issue is what you do when the conversation is taking up both lanes, and they don't move when you announce. That will get me yelling.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
You only have one obviously biased side of the story.
There are plenty of irrational cyclists out there but I wonder in this case. If one lane was wide open why would the cyclist have gotten upset?
Three people can easily spill into the second lane and the fact that the author felt the need to reference them huddling against the barrier could be pretty telling.
Methinks the author is not presenting all the facts.
Methinks you just moved the goalposts, and what youthinks is a blatant exhibit of cognitive dissonance.
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
Yes, have some empathy for the less fortunate and homeless, but immediately makes a snap judgement about a ĎSpandex-cladí cyclist he has never met and knows nothing about. Somehow, because of his advocacy work, he feels entitled to judge others as less caring than his noble sacrificing self.

How about donít stand and chit-chat while blocking the bike path? One hopes Mr. Polansky isnít dim enough to stand in the middle of the highway for his little tÍte-ŗ-tÍtes.

I've never seen a non-homeless person scolded for standing on one lane of a MUP. This isn't a highway, the comparison is a total lie.
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Old 10-11-21, 06:33 AM
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We only have one lane on our MUP, and now I know why, I prefer to ride alone!
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I figured American MUP etiquette isn't something you'd be familiar with, hence the misunderstanding. I'd probably just say "hi" in this situation, which comes up pretty much any time I ride on a MUP.

The real issue is what you do when the conversation is taking up both lanes, and they don't move when you announce. That will get me yelling.
Wow, I'll end up like a total snob if you haven't told me that and we have MUPs in the future, thanks!

I don't turn hostile anyway if anyone is in the bike lane who is stopped but otherwise, staying as far to the right of the bike lane as possible. Usually, only other cyclists do this when they're taking a short break, but pedestrians, motorists, don't really care.
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I've never seen a non-homeless person scolded for standing on one lane of a MUP. This isn't a highway, the comparison is a total lie.
3 days ago on Friday I loudly said 'MOVE' to a group of 3 women in athleisure who were standing on the right side of a MUP. I loathe MUPs and use them very sparingly, but this was with one of my kids and the MUP is the only realistic way for us to ride from where we started to halfway thru the ride. It is busy with runners, cyclists, walkers, families, etc. We had to come to a complete stop behind them due to cyclists coming the other way.
It was a very minor incident in the grand scheme of things and I didnt even think about it again until just now, but at the same time it was completely absurd and indefensible. You dont just stand on a MUP. That isnt a thing. Step off to the side. Even our kids know to get off the path if they have to come to a stop.

I frightened the women because they all jumped. Its what happens when a guy my height loudly says something. Sucks that I frightened some women, but oh well. They quickly saw it was me and my daughter and that they had stopped not only us, but another group behind us(who i think felt obligated to stop since we had) and they moved over.
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Glad the op-ed is not a red herring like failed social policies, but instead focuses on alleged lack of empathy by a passer by.
Lord knows Californians are not already hammered by high taxes to take care of these type of societal problems.
Perhaps the opinion writer should take a hard look at his bosses like in the LA City and LA County governments.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
3 days ago on Friday I loudly said 'MOVE' to a group of 3 women in athleisure who were standing on the right side of a MUP. I loathe MUPs and use them very sparingly, but this was with one of my kids and the MUP is the only realistic way for us to ride from where we started to halfway thru the ride. It is busy with runners, cyclists, walkers, families, etc. We had to come to a complete stop behind them due to cyclists coming the other way.
It was a very minor incident in the grand scheme of things and I didnt even think about it again until just now, but at the same time it was completely absurd and indefensible. You dont just stand on a MUP. That isnt a thing. Step off to the side. Even our kids know to get off the path if they have to come to a stop.

I frightened the women because they all jumped. Its what happens when a guy my height loudly says something. Sucks that I frightened some women, but oh well. They quickly saw it was me and my daughter and that they had stopped not only us, but another group behind us(who i think felt obligated to stop since we had) and they moved over.
I ride a lot on MUPs so I pretty much accept that there will be times when I need to slow or stop for people. Yesterday I had to stop at a couple of bridges because there were families on the bridges posing for photos and the bridges are a common backdrop. They all apologized and moved. I donít really mind; itís one more opportunity to stand and accelerate from a stop on my SS, which is good core training.

The one thing that does frustrate me is when vehicles get parked blocking a marked bikeway. One of our feeder trails goes through a parking lot at a park where the trail then transitions off the parking lot to a gravel path. There are events at the nearby shelter, and the ice cone vending trucks are bad about parking directly in the full path of the bike/ pedestrian lanes, so that both directions of bike travel (of which there is a lot) have to dive off into rough grass or maybe mud to get through.

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This Yahoo article is hopefully the dumbest thing I read all week.


- Huddled against the metal barrier, obstructing one of the two lanes of bike path, we listened while he told us the events leading to C.’s death.
- These were the circumstances when you, spandex-clad and biking south along the river, yelled at the three of us to get out of the path, to which I responded with a predictable vulgarity.
- I was surprised when you returned to insist that I apologize for my foul language and for forcing you to shift lanes.
- Believe it or not, I too am the sort of person who might yell at someone for obstructing a bike lane, or for littering, or for any of a hundred other acts which degrade our civic cohesion and worsen our shared neighborhoods.
- People shouldn't block bicycle lanes or ride motor scooters on sidewalks.
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I took your behavior as evidence that you, like many of my neighbors, view unhoused people exclusively as nuisances, similar to bad traffic on the 5 or our most recent oat milk shortage. Maybe this was unfair. Maybe you didn’t see that my partner and I were helping a member of the unhoused community, though we wore shirts identifying ourselves as outreach volunteers. Maybe your comment was, as you insisted, entirely civil. If I was wrong, then you're owed an apology and you have it.



The author says they were standing in a place that blocks the flow of others using the path. The author says they might yell at people who block the path. The author says people shouldnt block the path. Then the author assumes they know why the person yelled and it isnt because the path was blocked, but because the cyclist views homeless people as a nuisance.

Thats a heck of a conclusion to assume, especially since the author readily admits they shouldnt block the path and they may yell at others for blocking the path.

I wasted 5min on that.
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The author is a Social Justice Warrior, and the cyclist is an enemy combatant for using public space for its intended purpose. The author should have gotten their case to move from potential harm to a safer spot for everyone instead of escalating anger.

Silly me for thinking.
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