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Old 10-29-21, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Whose were they?
They belonged to a couple of mountain bikers that needed a cash advance to buy some weed. They couldn't pay me back and didn't want to sell their bikes, so they gave me some organs instead. You know, typical scenario.
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Old 10-29-21, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
They belonged to a couple of mountain bikers that needed a cash advance to buy some weed. They couldn't pay me back and didn't want to sell their bikes, so they gave me some organs instead. You know, typical scenario.



Now, I’ve noticed a tendency for this forum to get rather silly…
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Old 10-29-21, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ofajen View Post


Now, I’ve noticed a tendency for this forum to get rather silly…
Well, if we all try just a little bit harder, we can maybe shove this thread off the cliff and dash it to pieces on the rocks below.
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Old 10-29-21, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
They are just gears on a bicycle, not some f****** religion!
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different " cycling denominations " and each of them claiming that their approach to cycling is an absolute.
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Old 10-29-21, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different " cycling denominations " and each of them claiming that their approach to cycling is an absolute.
Smaller denominations are easier to spend without attracting attention.
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Old 10-29-21, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ofajen View Post


Now, I’ve noticed a tendency for this forum to get rather silly…
'As Officer Commanding the Regular Army's Advertising Division, I object, in the strongest possible terms to this obvious reference to our own slogan 'It's a dog's life... a man's life in the modern army' and I warn this programme Forum that any recurrence of this sloppy long-haired civilian plagiarism slagging-off of 1x bicycle drivetrains will be dealt with most severely.'

Sincerely,
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Old 10-29-21, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different " cycling denominations " and each of them claiming that their approach to cycling is an absolute.
List them alphabetically.
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Old 10-30-21, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different " cycling denominations " and each of them claiming that their approach to cycling is an absolute.
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different instances where you claim there is division among cycling disciplines and/or that one discipline is bad/made up/etc.
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Old 10-30-21, 09:05 PM
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Old 10-30-21, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different " cycling denominations " and each of them claiming that their approach to cycling is an absolute.
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Old 10-31-21, 06:11 AM
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Why do I think "It just doesn't make any sense" sounds like a good title for a BF theme song?

Maybe a new page? .... sort of "foo-boost." We could move certain posts there based on the poster, without even having to read them .....
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Old 10-31-21, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
After pondering other threads on gearing, it just doesnt make any sense to get rid of the front triple. A bike report I read had a bike with a 34 front and 12 gears in the cluster. The reason it doesnt make sense is:

1) The are only 12 speeds, which flies in the face of those that demand ever more gears.

2) The rear cluster goes from 12 to 51, which flies in the face of those that want small steps between each gear change.

3) The 51 tooth low gear flies in the face of the weigh weenies because that 51 tooth gear has to weigh much more than twice as much as a 26 tooth granny gear.

So my question is why get rid of the triple?
Are you talking about a MTB? If so, there is a great reason to get ride of the triple and double.
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Old 10-31-21, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by vespasianus View Post
Are you talking about a MTB? If so, there is a great reason to get ride of the triple and double.
Only if you only ride DOWN the mountain.
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Old 10-31-21, 09:06 AM
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In my opinion it's marketing hype to sell something "better", well, really just different to increase sales. It's the same in almost every sport industry. Heck, there's no way you'll be able to catch a Bass next year unless you buy the pioneering and next revolution in Bass lures, the Hogwasher!!
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Old 10-31-21, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Only if you only ride DOWN the mountain.
No, it has all to do with climbing the mountain.
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Old 10-31-21, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Only if you only ride DOWN the mountain.
Yeah, I realize it is hard to ride a bent anywhere that isn't flat .... but if you cannot understand 1x12 off-road, it is because you are willfully ignorant. You have been riding for way too long not to understand gearing ... . but old guys like you sometimes Want not to understand, and act foolish to try to pretend to be wise.

Anyone with a lot of off-road miles understand 1x. Either you lack the experience and choose not to extrapolate from your road riding, or you have the experience and are just being a donkey.
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Old 10-31-21, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Only if you only ride DOWN the mountain.
By your own admission, you don’t ride UP or DOWN “the mountain.” Just sayin’.
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Old 10-31-21, 03:49 PM
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I do agree that a 10-50 12 speed cassette on a mountain bike can give you all the climbing you need, even if you have to go with a .6:1 low ratio by running a 30t chainring. In my experience needing anything much below that will be tough to keep the bike in an upright position.

Even in a road situation running a traditional 80’s triple with a 50-40-30 and a 13-34 freewheel, you are better off on both ends with a 40t chainring and a 10-50 cassette.

The 40t chainring with a 50t cog is still better for climbing than a modern road setup with a 30t granny and a 36t cog.

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Old 10-31-21, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Only if you only ride DOWN the mountain.
Have a look at these "modern" XC mtbs:-

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/cr...mountain-bikes

What do you notice about the gearing on all of them?
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
Have a look at these "modern" XC mtbs:-

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/cr...mountain-bikes

What do you notice about the gearing on all of them?
That they would be completely impractical for the kind of riding that Rydabent does.

Your rugby shorts would hang up on the saddle, and where would you put the flag?
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different " cycling denominations " and each of them claiming that their approach to cycling is an absolute.
What you say mirrors the claim of each religion, except one form of Buddhism. Each is the truth and the absolute.
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Old 11-01-21, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
I do agree that a 10-50 12 speed cassette on a mountain bike can give you all the climbing you need, even if you have to go with a .6:1 low ratio by running a 30t chainring. In my experience needing anything much below that will be tough to keep the bike in an upright position.

Even in a road situation running a traditional 80’s triple with a 50-40-30 and a 13-34 freewheel, you are better off on both ends with a 40t chainring and a 10-50 cassette.

The 40t chainring with a 50t cog is still better for climbing than a modern road setup with a 30t granny and a 36t cog.

John
One of a big reasons for a 1X system is that it allows a suspension system to pedal well in almost all gear combinations. No more need to try to optimize pedaling for the granny and have it bob like crazy in the middle or big ring. Most people don't seem to understand the role of the drivetrain in suspension performance/action. 1X systems were the game changer.

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Old 11-01-21, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post

So my question is why get rid of the triple?
Because your preferences are not universal.
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Old 11-01-21, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Because your preferences are not universal.
Neither are his preferences unique. I acquired a mid-1990s 3X7 Cannondale hybrid last year for utility use that has a half-step-plus-granny triple that has unexpectedly turned out to be my favorite gearing arrangement among my current bikes. Shifting between the two larger chainrings gives a satisfyingly minimal change reminiscent of my straight-block racing days, and while I've used the inner ring only two or three times, to confirm that the front derailleur is correctly set, it's available should I need it.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
Neither are his preferences unique. I acquired a mid-1990s 3X7 Cannondale hybrid last year for utility use that has a half-step-plus-granny triple that has unexpectedly turned out to be my favorite gearing arrangement among my current bikes. Shifting between the two larger chainrings gives a satisfyingly minimal change reminiscent of my straight-block racing days, and while I've used the inner ring only two or three times, to confirm that the front derailleur is correctly set, it's available should I need it.
Nobody is claiming that triples don’t make any sense to some people. Yet the OP comes along and states that a universal modern 1x mtb gearing is senseless. He didn’t even refer to a road 1x setup that would have been at least debatable.
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