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Old 01-09-22, 12:22 PM
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General Forum isn't the best place to ask questions about training....Training and Nutrition forum is a much better place for new cyclists to get information about training.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Just go up a gear, same effect on a hill without putting stupid items on your bike. Trust me, you aren't going to have a lot of fun riding back down that hill with a big lead weight on a trailer.

What does any of this nonsense have to do with the thread? Just stop.

I'd let this go, but you're posting all kinds of bad advice and misinformation on a thread about a 15 year old beginner. This particular 15 y.o. seems to understand you haven't got a clue, but I'm concerned about other beginners who might stumble onto this thread later.
He's trolling. They own a stationary trainer. I recall a topic way way back where there were photos of it. He could just get on the stationary trainer and over-gear at a lower cadence instead of this weighted bicycle nonsense. So there's not even a logical reason for them to be mentioning this as I thought this came up in the topic about the stationary trainer already.

Not to mention someone young and impressionable might go out and over-load some panniers and wind up crashing due to this nonsense and hurt themselves.
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Old 01-10-22, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
He's trolling. They own a stationary trainer. I recall a topic way way back where there were photos of it. He could just get on the stationary trainer and over-gear at a lower cadence instead of this weighted bicycle nonsense. So there's not even a logical reason for them to be mentioning this as I thought this came up in the topic about the stationary trainer already.

Not to mention someone young and impressionable might go out and over-load some panniers and wind up crashing due to this nonsense and hurt themselves.

I honestly don't know or care if he's trolling--your last sentence is exactly why I keep answering him.
His other "adjustments" are equally absurd but not dangerous, so I don't want impressionable youth wasting money and effort messing up their rides and their bikes.
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Old 01-10-22, 09:29 AM
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Enter some races and find out.
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Old 01-10-22, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
He's trolling....
Yes but protected, so beware.

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Old 01-10-22, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
faster than average, but about right for your age

https://bikingultimate.com/average-c...-speed-by-age/
This is the most wonderful x-axis that I've seen in quite some time.

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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
This is the most wonderful x-axis that I've seen in quite some time.


The world's first inverted-U shaped x-axis! Either that, or it's English up to 200w, then changes to Hebrew (or Japanese, or Arabic). It does accurately indicate that the older you are, the higher your age.
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Old 01-10-22, 12:49 PM
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If you really want to find out how fast you are (or can become) compared to others your age, run over to the Hellyer Velodrome less than a half hour from you and do their FREE juniors training sessions. https://hellyervelodrome.com/juniors

FWIW I started racing when I was 13 and did a regular 15 mile route in right about an hour. At 14, I was regularly posting low 30's at the local 10 mile time trial and was competitive in local races where we would cover about 12-13 miles in the allotted half hour (you go much faster drafting in a pack). At 16, I could average 17 mph for rides as long as 60 miles, yet was being dropped constantly from the pack in races.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
This is the most wonderful x-axis that I've seen in quite some time.

Someone really wanted to draw a straight line. Probably got a new ruler for his/her birthday.
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Old 01-10-22, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Someone really wanted to draw a straight line. Probably got a new ruler for his/her birthday.
Is that showing an FTP of 90 at age 50? Them's gotta be fightin' words around these here parts. (Grumpy Old Gulch).
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Is that showing an FTP of 90 at age 50? Them's gotta be fightin' words around these here parts. (Grumpy Old Gulch).
Here's the accompanying "data"



There's absolutely no indication from which ass these numbers were pulled, but I guess that, having recently turned 45, I can feel like a beast, regardless.
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Old 01-10-22, 02:30 PM
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Probably numbers taken in the same light as runner's paces. They always show a bell curve for "how fast a runner are you" using your 5km or mile time or something. I put myself on the chart and go "that's silly, I'm not fast". I guess it includes so much of "joe public" that it shifts the curve towards lower performance.
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Old 01-10-22, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Welcome to BF! Your mileage is much too short to make any predictions but your age is definitely a plus. See what you can do on a 30-40 mile ride and you'll have a better idea. Hope you find cycling enjoyable, fast or slow.
How do you figure? 10 miles is a popular time trial length.

Endurance can be trained for, ---- speed is a lot tougher
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Originally Posted by alexTREKal3 View Post
Hello everybody,

This is my first time on here. I have my first road bike coming, the Trek Domane AL 3 Disc towards the end of this month. I have started road biking with my hybrid bike (2018 Trek FX 2) for like the past 4-5 months on the weekends. I am 15 years old and according to my Garmin Edge 530, I did 11.7 mile ride with an avg. moving time speed of 16.5 mph taking me a total of 42 minutes and 29 seconds. The route was pretty much flat the whole way. Am I fast or average?

Thanks!
Fast..thats the question?
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Answer nope
Average 20mph the ask.
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Old 01-10-22, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DMC707 View Post
How do you figure? 10 miles is a popular time trial length.

Endurance can be trained for, ---- speed is a lot tougher
OP titled his thread "Intro to Road Cycling...." He hasn't mentioned TT. Most folks wouldn't consider 10 miles a representative road ride so he needs to up his mileage to answer his question.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
OP titled his thread "Intro to Road Cycling...." He hasn't mentioned TT. Most folks wouldn't consider 10 miles a representative road ride so he needs to up his mileage to answer his question.

No, but he's riding by himself - which in effect makes it a TT of sorts and being young and on a hybrid bike, he might not know all the lingo yet (Road ride vs TT , etc ) ---

From a coaching standpoint, i absolutely think you can glean valuable information from a 10 mile ride. Fast is fast whether applied over 2 miles, 10 miles, or 100 miles - but obviously the way you meter out your energy will be different.

So at 15 years old and doing a sidewalk cruise at 16mph, i would say the OP is doing ok, but not extraordinary
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I will try to be helpful now that we're past the rest of all that.

I say it's too soon to make a fair judgment on "am I fast" or not. Fast is a combo of earned and gifted. Usually if someone shows some ambition in endurance sport in the beginning of their journey, and also shows some early promise during that formal start, you may go get a formal vo2max test done to see if you won the genetic lottery.

Otherwise, "fast" is earned. Since it's so early in the journey, it's not fair to judge one way or another on strength on the bike to say yes or no.

I propose the following:
The track thing posted seems nice, but if you're not down with that at least look up a local school mountain bike club or local race team that also does cyclocross. Most teams that race cyclocross have a good number of junior riders on them and hand-me-down bikes from the older riders either free or at a big discount are common. They look after you, mentor you, teach you to ride and train to be "faster". It's a good fun and more affordable entry into "fast" bike stuff. Around here most older riders chip in to events so that the junior races are free to the entrants. If I sign up for something I can't make, I tell the organizer to comp a kid's entry if they didn't do it already. Lots of kids race cross on a bmx bike also. This basically gets them two bike disciplines and up to three events per cyclocross day: open single speed, the junior event, the open event for your race class. Then the bmx bike is still good to go bmx bike racing. Kids your age might be starting to age out of bmx bikes in cross though, so you'll see a mix of that and dedicated cross bikes. Whatever, who cares.

Next up, go see if you like trying to be fast. Just increase your hours a week. Taper it up from now by maybe 10% per week. So if you ride 3 hours a week now, do 3.3 next week. Then do 3.7 hours, then 4.1, then 4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, until you reach a point where you need to really consider "do I like this enough" and also you have to start budgeting your time. Make most of those hours just whatever you want to ride, easy, medium. To wherever, whenever. Just not "hard". Every 4th week, halve your time but do two workouts: one workout of three sets of 5x 30s on and 30s off at what ever you can manage each 30s. Other workout a few days later that "short week" do 3 sets of 8min at whatever you can manage. Repeat that for about 3 months and you'll be getting some gains for sure.

Ignore all this junk above where a bunch of folks telling you to slow down. No. If you wanna go fast, try it. If you don't like it, that is ayyyy okayyyy. But you don't know till you try. You try and don't like trying to be "fast", nothing wrong with riding slow for fun. If you do get "fast" don't look down your nose at those guys and gals, let them have fun too.

Cyclocross is about some of the most fun I've ever had in my life. And you simply can't show up with absolutely zero fitness and have fun walking your bike over 3/4 of the course. A base amount of fitness and skill is needed. A base amount some people can't be bothered with. But some can. And it's immensely fun.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
It's a $160 dumb friction trainer that had its own frame and seat. But doesn't fit me at all because I bought it for mom. I can still use it but not for more than 20 minutes due to wrong fit.

Speaking of dumb friction, you realize how much that Airhub you recommended costs? About $2k Australian or $1500 USD. That's an absurd cost to screw up the efficiency of your bike.

That kind of money, you could buy several properly fitting trainers.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
The cost will even be more if you add spokes, rims, and tires for the airhub wheel build. You do need a separate front wheel for the airhub so you can easily swap it out with regular front wheel for a race or riding with a fast group.

Ofc, for me, I will not even consider it, not for a million years as I can't afford Airhub. I will simply adjust my disc brakes to drag. My brakes doesn't squeal anymore so it's all fine.

Trainers seem like a waste for me. I still have to buy MTB first for sister around the budget of $300 and need to save for that in a couple of months.

I'm going to go on record here saying that I think misadjusting your brakes deliberately is an incredibly stupid idea. Essentially, you're running an experiment on how much abuse they can take until failure.

And you've done a great job of illustrating the idiocy of the Airhub. Essentially, it's a multi-thousand dollar investment to make a multi-thousand dollar bike perform like a $400 (or less) bike. Assuming just for the sake of argument your premise that riding an inefficient bike is beneficial in some way, that's only a reasonable investment if you can't stand the thought of someone seeing you on an inexpensive bicycle.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
The whole point of this is resistance training to improve strength (like for climbing). Dragging brake is fairly accurate means to simulate long and steep climbs for example. You can absolutely do it on a trainer but you can't beat outdoor training vs indoor training.
In your mind, this is better than climbing a bigger hill or going up a gear? Obviously, the gear ratios and the hill size are a hell of a lot easier to measure than the amount of resistance you're adding by abusing your brakes.

You're going on my ignore list at this point. I really used to like your posts because I thought you had a very interesting perspective. Your posts, however, have now become you trying to be everyone else's guru. The aggravation caused by this constant stream of really bad advice and repetitively wrong observations is just not worth wading through anymore.
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Originally Posted by rsbob View Post
I see parents hauling around their young kids in bicycle trailers and always think, now theres a workout. But seldom do you seem them hill climbing. With the extra weight going down a 5%+ grade and stopping suddenly could be a little unnerving with kids, so duh. So put your battery there
In my younger days back when my kids were growing up, I threw them in a trailer and and drug them everywhere. Even down some gnarly single track. Destroyed a few trailers in the process, but what a blast. Those kids have kids of their own, and those memories of near-death experiences are their fondest to this day. A bonus to that was when I rode with my buddies sans trailer, it was like I had strapped a motor to the bike. That 100+lb reduction resulted in substantially faster riding.

So yeah. I say, never mind the trainer, never mind that battery, forget hills and that other rubbish. Have some kids and get yourself a trailer. The all-around benefits encompass not only cycling, but memories and experiences that will survive long after the peak of your cycling days....
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Originally Posted by RayHenry View Post
In my younger days back when my kids were growing up, I threw them in a trailer and and drug them everywhere. Even down some gnarly single track. Destroyed a few trailers in the process, but what a blast. Those kids have kids of their own, and those memories of near-death experiences are their fondest to this day. A bonus to that was when I rode with my buddies sans trailer, it was like I had strapped a motor to the bike. That 100+lb reduction resulted in substantially faster riding.

So yeah. I say, never mind the trainer, never mind that battery, forget hills and that other rubbish. Have some kids and get yourself a trailer. The all-around benefits encompass not only cycling, but memories and experiences that will survive long after the peak of your cycling days....

I used to ride a couple of big hills (strictly road) with my then-toddler in a trailer. Level was fun, uphill was mildly challenging but still fun, downhill was a little nerve-racking, and I rode the brake hard. But let's not encourage a 15 y.o. to have kids as a training measure, ok?

Yes, I'm joking.
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Originally Posted by majmt View Post
At 15, my cycling was focused on how many times that I could ride by Mary Ellen Clarks house in single ride without being too obvious. We went together later in high school and she told me that she watched me riding by a few times. What Im saying is that there are other (better ) things to be focused on than speed young grasshopper. Also, learn to play the guitar.
This is excellent advice. I'm a band teacher, and one of my students whipped out a guitar when we had a few spare minutes in class. Strumming a few chords while singing a love song, he had 11 girls (I counted) surrounding him in seconds.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I used to ride a couple of big hills (strictly road) with my then-toddler in a trailer. Level was fun, uphill was mildly challenging but still fun, downhill was a little nerve-racking, and I rode the brake hard.
Brakes? What are those? When I was doing that, it was with rim brakes. Even the Scott Mathouser brake shoes made very little difference... Thankfully, it's pretty flat around here, so I never had to worry about a runaway train disaster....

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But let's not encourage a 15 y.o. to have kids as a training measure, ok?
Ah, yes. I concur. My comments were directed towards another poster, not the OP. I'd not advise a teenager to have children any more than I would advise any real training advise. In my day, I rode fast. And I rode far. But always, I rode fun. I didn't care about how fast or how far, those came naturally with the fun. For me, that's what it's always been about. Kudos to those that have the drive/dedication/desire to reach certain goals. Everything I did then or do now has been for fun. Even if it did turn out to be fast or far. And for me, that's all I need.
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Typical BF asshattery is one thing, but anyone advocating that a teen (or anyone) mal-adjust their bicycle's safety equipment is an absolute liability to the forum.
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