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Old 02-26-22, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
Godfather Part II was a good sequel. And the National Lampoon Vacation sequels were pretty good until the Vegas Vacation wreckage.
Not saying all sequels are bad but sometimes they get a good movie and think we should keep going instead of just preserving the friendship. I actually don't mind the Vegas Vacation as much. Sure the original, European and Christmas are the best but Vegas Vacation was not total crap, The blue stuff and yellow stuff scene at the cheap buffet is pretty funny and the Wayne Newton storyline is good and I always love Wallace Shawn even if it is inconceivable that the movie exists. I would give it a solid C. I can't be mean to my name sake and go super low. At least they didn't replace Bev, Chevy and Randy that would have ruined it completely they have been replacing the kids in each one which never quite sat well with me but I said "ho hum it is the biz" but those three wouldn't have worked if changed.
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Originally Posted by TPL
Got a typewriter, cassette player, VHS? ....yes, to each of these, they all still work ....and, I am still able to obtain supplies for them

Same cannot be said for ShimaNO Positron, Pitch 10, Dynadrive pedals, Tourney self centering brakes, FFS cranks, Airline, AX, Uniglide, etc., ad nauseum ....all, just a bunch of glop that makes you wonder when ShimaNO will jump the shark by breeding the 'self walking dog with attached fire hydrant' ?

Perhaps ShimaNO is really well diversified with substantial holdings in land fills around the world ?
Great, where can I get my new laserdisc player, I want to watch my unedited digital edition of starwars from before it was remade into a new hope.

OP, these were an interesting concept. I knew someone who rode with them and the shifting was quick and accurate. The issue with them that I heard, and the reason they didn't see real mass market, is that they were designed for road and XC use but the engineers didn't properly figure out how many times the pros actually shift, turned out to be almost twice what was expected or the system was capable of doing. While DH let them take advantage of what they did produce, since the racers don't shift that much.
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
Godfather Part II was a good sequel.
Considered by some to be better than the first. Definitely one of the best sequels ever made. I'd but Aliens and T2 on that list.

BTW...The 50th anniversary edition of the original Godfather is in theaters now. It has been visually enhanced.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Considered by some to be better than the first. Definitely one of the best sequels ever made. I'd but Aliens and T2 on that list.

BTW...The 50th anniversary edition of the original Godfather is in theaters now. It has been visually enhanced.
Alien had a sort of terrifying minimalism, but after seeing Aliens I literally looked under the bed before I could go to sleep.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Alien had a sort of terrifying minimalism, but after seeing Aliens I literally looked under the bed before I could go to sleep.
"They mostly come out at night. Mostly."--Newt

Yeah. I saw Alien in the theater the day it was released. Much later in life there was a long period where I had not caught it on TV. When I finally did, the minimalism really struck me. It's a pretty quiet film compared to Aliens, in part due to no Bill Paxon shouting "Game over, man! Game over!"
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Originally Posted by TPL
Got a typewriter, cassette player, VHS? ....yes, to each of these, they all still work ....and, I am still able to obtain supplies for them

Same cannot be said for ShimaNO Positron, Pitch 10, Dynadrive pedals, Tourney self centering brakes, FFS cranks, Airline, AX, Uniglide, etc., ad nauseum ....all, just a bunch of glop that makes you wonder when ShimaNO will jump the shark by breeding the 'self walking dog with attached fire hydrant' ?

Perhaps ShimaNO is really well diversified with substantial holdings in land fills around the world ?
8 track, 16 rpm records, steam-powered cars, then.
Your outrage seems a bit forced, if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Your outrage seems a bit forced, if you ask me.
It seems like that of a jilted lover, more so than an upset (former) customer. Maybe they came home early from work one day and caught their groupset cheating on them.
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TPL sounds like they'd be hella fun at a party.

Did you know they discontinued the Edsel?
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Man, I was really hoping this thread would have more about the product in the title but it's just a bunch of yelling
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Originally Posted by TPL
Got a typewriter, cassette player, VHS? ....yes, to each of these, they all still work ....and, I am still able to obtain supplies for them
Are you suggesting that air is getting hard to come by?

Originally Posted by TPL
Perhaps ShimaNO is really well diversified with substantial holdings in land fills around the world ?
All the Shimano Airlines ever made, multiplied times one million, would barely register sitting next to the pile of VCRs in landfills today. Same is true for cassette players and tapes, and typewriters.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
Man, I was really hoping this thread would have more about the product in the title but it's just a bunch of yelling
+1 All I remember about air shifters is that is (or was) the slick trick for motorcycle street hot rodders because legit drag racers use (or used) them.
Now having said that, tired old Shimano memes are a dime a dozen.
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TPL's is a preserved-in-amber echo of what many of us felt who worked in bike shops in the 1980s. His remarks reminded me of the time that Kozo Shimano, then an undergrad at Johns Hopkins University, stopped by the bike shop and asked for my thoughts on the company's products and on their approach to the bike market. I proceeded to lecture him at length, explaining that shops like ours greatly preferred servicing bikes with Campy and Suntour components because they kept the same products in their lines year after year, so stocking parts was a cinch.

Some of the nuances of what I had had to say must have got lost between Baltimore and Osaka, since it appears that they did not take my advice fully to heart.
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Old 02-28-22, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB
+1 All I remember about air shifters is that is (or was) the slick trick for motorcycle street hot rodders because legit drag racers use (or used) them.
Now having said that, tired old Shimano memes are a dime a dozen.
I was gonna ask if Shimano stole his girlfriend or something but this works way better LOL. I must be in the dark. I have been happily riding Shimano products for about 35 years. Caught some nice fish with their non cycling products.

ETA .. air shifters for motorcycles are a drag strip only thing as far as I know. Designed for lightning quick/positive shifts on high HP bikes. I dunno if they are still a thing since electronic quick shifts came along. I imagine some hot rodders used them on street bikes but I would think not many.
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Rotor Hydraulic Shifting

Will Rotor's hydraulic shifting catch on? I am not convinced.
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still, all things considered
shimano air shifters were still a MUCH better idea
than bicycle air brakes
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The motorcycle quick shifter I remember interrupted the engine when you kicked the upshift. It was an electronic doohickey, it interrupts the ignition. Sequential transmissions are stout and chain drives are forgiving.

Regret to inform the faithful that AXS delivers what air lines seemed to promise.

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I actually have three bikes with no Shimano.

My gravel is a mix of SRAM, Trp, and Archer. Pretty cool modular wireless electric system. But itís got batteries and two chargers, so itís probably not future proof. Itís awfully cool today.

My road bike has 20 year old Campy Chorus. I got the Ergoís rebuilt last year. Hopefully they last a while. I have a couple cassettes so for now itís great. Itís functioning perfectly but Iím already seeing the writing on the wall, itís going to get more difficult to repair in the next few years. I keep it fairly low mileage though.

My mountain bike is SRAM and brand new, I hope to get my first ride on it Thursday or Friday. It better be good for a bit.


Anyway, these experiences are neither better or worse than anything from ďNOĒ. Canít blame the company for progress.

FWIW, my mid 80ís Dura Ace 7400 works perfectly. Other than the Uniglide cassette, itís actually very normal stuff, repairs would be pretty easy if it ever broke down.
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Originally Posted by rjsmit1
Will Rotor's hydraulic shifting catch on? I am not convinced.
I think it's more of a concept of what modern bicycle technology can be able to do.
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Originally Posted by PBC peugeot
still, all things considered
shimano air shifters were still a MUCH better idea
than bicycle air brakes
Shimano 333 can be wEiRd sometimes.

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Rotor Hydraulic Shifting

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I think it's more of a concept of what modern bicycle technology can be able to do.
That is a good way to think about it. I am actually impressed that they pulled it off. And it takes advantage of the presence of the hydraulic system that is there for braking. But it is limited compared to some of the things that electronic systems can do, like sequential shifting where the operator doesn't have to select the actual front and rear ring/cog.
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Originally Posted by dedhed
History is littered with abandoned technology across pretty much every industry. Got a typewriter, cassette player, VHS?
Yes to all three! Use the cassette player regularly, the VHS rarely, and the typewriter never. But I do have them.
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Originally Posted by grant40
Shimano 333 can be wEiRd sometimes.
Never heard of this one, bet if done right it would have worked better than the cable pull if done right, probably just too far ahead of its time.
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Towing the compressor was the issue... ;o)
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
TPL's is a preserved-in-amber echo of what many of us felt who worked in bike shops in the 1980s. His remarks reminded me of the time that Kozo Shimano, then an undergrad at Johns Hopkins University, stopped by the bike shop and asked for my thoughts on the company's products and on their approach to the bike market. I proceeded to lecture him at length, explaining that shops like ours greatly preferred servicing bikes with Campy and Suntour components because they kept the same products in their lines year after year, so stocking parts was a cinch.

Some of the nuances of what I had had to say must have got lost between Baltimore and Osaka, since it appears that they did not take my advice fully to heart.
So basically no product development? I'm not surprised he gave your advice a miss.
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