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New Repair Stand day! Park PCS 10.3

Old 02-27-22, 11:10 AM
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New Repair Stand day! Park PCS 10.3

In a major improvement to my CLQ (cycling life quality), I finally upgraded my old repair stand to a new Park PCS 10.3 with the add-on tool tray and handlebar holder.

Wow…this is huge for me, and while that sounds like hyperbole, it ain’t; my old stand, brand unknown, is probably 20 years old and bare bones. I think I got it from Performance mail order, but I really don’t recall where I bought it, but it wasn’t the best available at the time, and so has crappy “pads” that slide off the jaws if I’m not careful and attentive, is fixed height, doesn’t have a tool tray, the feet spin on the legs requiring care in set up, it’s heavy, and didn’t have a place to hang the bike if I didn’t want to futz with the clamp. It wasn’t all bad, and aside from the clamp lever handle breaking short, it has served me for a very long time, scratching only one of the many bikes it has held. My biggest complaint was the fixed height, which is too low for me when standing, causing back strain and pain.

I do have a couple of nitpicks of the Park stuff…. First, there are some bolts which are too long, exposing a good length of thread, making me think about which side I should mount nearby quick releases. It seems spec’ing proper length bolts would not have been hard, or at least supply some rubber caps so I don’t skin my fingers when using the QR on the side of the rack I prefer. My only other gripe involves bolts which hold the heads of the HBH3 handlebar holder. While no assembly was necessary, the Chicago bolts (or maybe they’re more commonly called binding post bolts? Dunno) were loose and would obviously come loose anyway through use, so why didn’t they use some threadlocker like they did on the stand bolts? And the Chicagos were only slotted on one head, so you can’t even torque ‘em down tight. Weird little inconsistencies like that irk me, but easily solved with a dab of Loctite; it’s a fix-and-forget piece.

Regardless of those, this Park setup is, comparatively, “the bee’s knees,” especially with the handlebar holder to keep the front wheel still. So nice…. I’m about to tackle my first hydro brake caliper swap, and the Park features will spare me a lot of annoyances in getting that done. Don’t be like me and fritter away your prime cycling years with a ****** workstand. #treatyourself!



Park PCS 10.3 stand with optional large tool tray #106 and adjustable handlebar holder HBH3
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my old stand, brand unknown, is probably 20 years old and bare bones.
It's always a good time to u[grade to a Park Tool for anything
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Old 02-27-22, 11:23 AM
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Park ! ....always reliably overpriced !
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Park ! ....always reliably overpriced !
Not really.

My opinion is that Park Tools give me a lot of investment value as I make money with their products.

And whatever I've paid for my Park Tools is nothing compared to what my neighbor dumps on their monthly lease for a Tesla.

Funny, when he asked me why I don't get a Tesla to keep up with the Jones, I tell him I paid off my mortgage eons ago and have no debt. He shut up and changed the subject
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Originally Posted by TPL View Post
Park ! ....always reliably overpriced !
At $280 for just the stand, it’s neither the cheapest nor the most expensive, but it is very nice to use, with good quality feel and function to the actions, and so after 20 years of not having those things and fussing with inferior bits, the PCS 10.3 is *well worth* the asking price by my reckoning. I might appreciate nice things more than most, and I can understand other folks having different priorities, but I’d bet in side-by-side comparison, the Park would fare very well against the competition in terms of ease of use and apparent quality.
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I've had this stand for 7 or so years- it's OK. The amount of swinging each pivot area does, even after fully tightened down, gets annoying. A little movement is nice for adjusting angles. This instant has a ton of movement though.

The feedback with QR that costs the same is nice- tripod stand is better. But the park's clearance due to only 2 feet is noticable at times too.

Nothing perfect about either.
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Tesla ! ....also reliably overpriced !
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Park ! ....always reliably overpriced !
I like Park stuff ..... I don't find it overpriced at all .... seems in line with the quality I get.
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Nice stand ..... I have an old AF park stand ....served me reliably for years.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
I've had this stand for 7 or so years- it's OK. The amount of swinging each pivot area does, even after fully tightened down, gets annoying. A little movement is nice for adjusting angles. This instant has a ton of movement though.

The feedback with QR that costs the same is nice- tripod stand is better. But the park's clearance due to only 2 feet is noticable at times too.

Nothing perfect about either.
No, this is not the same stand from 7 or so years ago, not by model number, not by design.

PCS 10 was “completely redesigned in 2019 for better stability, easier use, more efficient storage, and higher weight capacity.”

https://bikerumor.com/hands-on-park-...-repair-stand/
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Tesla ! ....also reliably overpriced !
Is there anything you don't hate? I mean I have parts and brands I do like and many that I don't like but I don't let the hate control me like this.


@OP Congrats on new stand, now please take that really nice bike and put it in the stand properly by the part that is designed to be clamped, the seatpost. You could do damage clamping it to other frame tubes and that is a nice bike. If you are worried about damaging the seatpost you won't especially with new jaws that you are taking care of but if in doubt you can put a clean rag or a pair of gloves on each clamp and it won't cause damages. I just got a new Park Stand last year and it is great. Park has some decent stuff and some stuff I would avoid but their stands are great and a lot of their bike specific stuff is also quite good it is the generic stuff that generally isn't all that special but good support and lots of helpful videos for all levels of folks makes them OK in my book!
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Is there anything you don't hate? I mean I have parts and brands I do like and many that I don't like but I don't let the hate control me like this.
He's waiting for SHIMANO to come out with a stand.
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Why on earth would you clamp a top tube that's not even close to being round when you have a ton of seat post showing that is just begging to be the spot where you clamp the bike? That's just dumb.
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Why on earth would you clamp a top tube that's not even close to being round when you have a ton of seat post showing that is just begging to be the spot where you clamp the bike? That's just dumb.
You're expecting rationality from someone who thinks that bf is for 'show & tell'?
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Why on earth would you clamp a top tube that's not even close to being round when you have a ton of seat post showing that is just begging to be the spot where you clamp the bike? That's just dumb.

Exactly !!!
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Why on earth would you clamp a top tube that's not even close to being round when you have a ton of seat post showing that is just begging to be the spot where you clamp the bike? That's just dumb.
Exactly !!!

But don't be hatin'
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You're expecting rationality from someone who thinks that bf is for 'show & tell'?
What's wrong with a bit of 'show & tell'?

I always enjoy seeing new stuff people have and many of the discussions that showing it off, brings about.
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I’m not worried about my top tube at all…I sit on that **** regularly, so there’s nothing the bike’s own weight will do to it. I’m not applying crushing pressure with the clamp, just a light stabilizing; it's perfect.

Worst of all, I usually clamp my carbon fiber bike by the TT as well, and have for years. I suppose if one has no sense or skill, yeah, avoid doing so, but for us masters, the “rules” are different.

I once saw a snail crawl along the edge of a razor…the horror! The horror…!!
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... it wasn’t the best available at the time, and so has crappy “pads” that slide off the jaws if I’m not careful and attentive, is fixed height, doesn’t have a tool tray, the feet spin on the legs requiring care in set up, it’s heavy, and didn’t have a place to hang the bike if I didn’t want to futz with the clamp.
FWIW, my stand has similar pads. After one too many sessions of sweeping the garage floor to find them AGAIN, I cut the valve off the next couple of tubes that weren't repairable. Wrapped the tube around the pad and clamp, tied the tube on the back side, and it's stayed put for years.
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
No, this is not the same stand from 7 or so years ago, not by model number, not by design.

PCS 10 was “completely redesigned in 2019 for better stability, easier use, more efficient storage, and higher weight capacity.”

https://bikerumor.com/hands-on-park-...-repair-stand/
OK.
I do see that it is completely redesigned, but the clamp, pivot points, tool tray and basket, and design all look identical to what I have. Yes yours looks like it will fold up for storage easier than mine. I have yet to fold it though, so that design change wasnt even on my radar when I first looked at your stand.

Does the new stand's redesign feature clamps that actually hold each attachment point in a fixed position, or do the multiple points still pivot with relative ease? By the look of your pic, they removed one of the attachment points which is a good thing- reduce the number of planes the stand is able to pivot on.
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Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
FWIW, my stand has similar pads. After one too many sessions of sweeping the garage floor to find them AGAIN, I cut the valve off the next couple of tubes that weren't repairable. Wrapped the tube around the pad and clamp, tied the tube on the back side, and it's stayed put for years.
Clever fix! Mine weren’t so bad they’d fall off willy-nilly, but would shift, especially when rotating the bike.

I passed that old stand over to my brother, and will share your tip with him. Thanks!
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You're expecting rationality from someone who thinks that bf is for 'show & tell'?
As if there aren't dozens of "Show your ....." Picture threads on bike forums. If you ask me BF is basically 50% show and tell.
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I have one, diff. brand w/ the same basic design. I like it very much. easy to move outside on nice days. just be careful not to knock it over. I find mine easy to tuck back toward a corner of the basement when not in use. another advantage of only 2 legs
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I have one, diff. brand w/ the same basic design. I like it very much. easy to move outside on nice days. just be careful not to knock it over. I find mine easy to tuck back toward a corner of the basement when not in use. another advantage of only 2 legs
I like that the legs fold up on this one, providing more storage options, but I went with the twin-leg design mostly because I’m used to that type and have gotten accustomed to working with them. The tripod type seem inherently less stable (given size constraints) and more difficult to move around (e.g. on a roller stool) but perhaps I’m wrong.
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I have a Park PCS-10 (the old model). It certainly makes working on our bikes easier. Enjoy your new tool! I really like the tool tray.
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