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Old 03-13-22, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Indicating that the nuts aren't necessary is useful information. Even to the OP, who is expending more effort that he might need to to use them.
Ok. Giving advice is one thing. Making multiple posts to push your opinion because others have a different opinion is another. Self-awareness indeed.
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Old 03-13-22, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by KJ43 View Post
Ok. Giving advice is one thing. Making multiple posts to push your opinion because others have a different opinion is another. Self-awareness indeed.
So, we have your opinion about how other people are not supposed to express their opinions. It doesn't get any more self-unaware than that.
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Old 03-13-22, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
So, we have your opinion about how other people are not supposed to express their opinions. It doesn't get any more self-unaware than that.
Guess you got me there! Nice work. Get to work on that horse next. The bat is resting right next to it.
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Old 03-13-22, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Even to the OP, who is expending more effort that he might need to to use them.
I find the phrase “expending more effort” on a forum where many people obsess over the smallest detail on their bikes and then pedal for thousands of miles quite ironic.

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Old 03-13-22, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
That's what happens when a person starts a thread looking for solutions to problems which don't exist.
I am not sure what solution you think I was looking for? I was just posting about the small little pliers I found cheap at Walmart and felt that others might use them or want them also. I just added why I wanted pliers for the stem lock nut. The failure I had on a non-threaded stem was that the rim cut into the rubber stem and it failed leaving me with no way to patch that tube while on a multi-day ride with minimal tools/supplies. I did have a back up tube, but always hope to patch first on a flat.

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Old 03-13-22, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
With a schrader valve I can understand wanting to use the valve stem nut. Cliffordk suggested purple locktite. I would use that.

As for the pliers, I’m not a fan of those, especially cheap ones.

Over the years I’ve run across thin stamped steel open/closed box wrenches that are sometimes supplied on items where “some assembly is required.”

I’d measure the nut size and Google/amazon/eBay to find one that fits. Cut the length to fit your bag if you have to.

They are cheaply made but would probably work better than those pliers, and take up the same room as a metal tire lever.

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The stem nut is round for the tubes I am using, so a box type wrench will not work. I need something to grab onto the round nut and this is what I found that was small and cheap. All I need is something to break the thread locker, once that happens you can usually use your fingers to remove it.
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Old 03-13-22, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
This applies to your replies as well but you lack the self-awareness to realize it.

Indicating that the nuts aren't necessary is useful information. Even to the OP, who is expending more effort that he might need to to use them.

Again, why go through using locktight on the nuts and having to carry pliers do deal with manufactured problem? If that doesn't make sense, why create a post that suggests that other people do the same thing?
I was only posting on small pliers that are easy to carry on a bicycle bag. I was not suggesting that other people use thread locker on the stem valve nut. I was just stating why I need the small pliers and what for. For me, I find that the thread metal valve stem with nut is much more substantial than a non-threaded valve stem. And for me the valve nut would loosen over time as I ride on a lot of gravel trails.
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Old 03-13-22, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
I was trying to understand the pump and tube problem when there is no little nut. So, I went to the garage. Not a single one of my bikes has a threaded stem. I wonder how the tires get inflated before every ride.
The problem was that my rim cut the rubber valve stem when I attached the pump and then the tube failed. It was a tube that had many miles on it, and for me and my pump, the stem would flex as I attached the pump. I assume this flex is what cut the valve stem. I decided to move to a metal stem and nut as I ride multi-day trips that are quite isolated and remote. I feel more secure riding with a metal stem. You may say I am making a mountain out of mole hill, but that is your opinion. I wonder what the reason might be that tube manufacturers make a metal threaded valve stem with nut?
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Old 03-13-22, 06:26 PM
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Yah Indyfabz, I think I know what your saying


Those little nuts come in handy for all sorts things.

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Old 03-13-22, 06:45 PM
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Lighten up. Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don’t. You know what I’m sayin’?
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Old 03-13-22, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by themp View Post
The problem was that my rim cut the rubber valve stem when I attached the pump and then the tube failed. It was a tube that had many miles on it, and for me and my pump, the stem would flex as I attached the pump. I assume this flex is what cut the valve stem. I decided to move to a metal stem and nut as I ride multi-day trips that are quite isolated and remote. I feel more secure riding with a metal stem. You may say I am making a mountain out of mole hill, but that is your opinion. I wonder what the reason might be that tube manufacturers make a metal threaded valve stem with nut?
For people that can't inflate their tires correctly.
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Old 03-14-22, 01:18 AM
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For people that can't inflate their tires correctly.
If that’s the case, it is a fantastic engineering choice. Not everybody is an expert at everything… even those who think they are
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Old 03-14-22, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by themp View Post
The problem was that my rim cut the rubber valve stem when I attached the pump and then the tube failed. It was a tube that had many miles on it, and for me and my pump, the stem would flex as I attached the pump. I assume this flex is what cut the valve stem. I decided to move to a metal stem and nut as I ride multi-day trips that are quite isolated and remote. I feel more secure riding with a metal stem. You may say I am making a mountain out of mole hill, but that is your opinion. I wonder what the reason might be that tube manufacturers make a metal threaded valve stem with nut?
Me too,

Like I said, none of the bikes in my garage have a threaded valve stem and therefore, no nut. Maybe to control vibration? One of my rims makes a vibration with the stem and I put a little piece of electrical tape to make it quiet. Anyway, that is my best guess.
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Old 03-14-22, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by themp View Post
I was only posting on small pliers that are easy to carry on a bicycle bag. I was not suggesting that other people use thread locker on the stem valve nut. I was just stating why I need the small pliers and what for. For me, I find that the thread metal valve stem with nut is much more substantial than a non-threaded valve stem. And for me the valve nut would loosen over time as I ride on a lot of gravel trails.
It wasn't "only" about pliers. The "why" was a significant part of your post. If you only wanted to talk about pliers, you could have not included the "why". You mentioned the loctite as causing a problem for you and didn't mention (at first) a reason for doing this quite unusual thing.

For most people (you might be the rare exception), the best course of action is to not use the nut in the first place.

People might actually find the suggestion of these pliers useful but, almost always, not to remove loctited tube nuts,

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The problem was that my rim cut the rubber valve stem when I attached the pump and then the tube failed. It was a tube that had many miles on it, and for me and my pump, the stem would flex as I attached the pump. I assume this flex is what cut the valve stem. I decided to move to a metal stem and nut as I ride multi-day trips that are quite isolated and remote. I feel more secure riding with a metal stem. You may say I am making a mountain out of mole hill, but that is your opinion. I wonder what the reason might be that tube manufacturers make a metal threaded valve stem with nut?
The tube can be cut on the edge of the hole (even with metal presta valves). (Why this edge can't be eased in manufacturing is a mystery.) The nut can pull the tube even tighter to this sharp edge and may even make it easier for the tube to be cut.

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Gotta love these “my opinion is right, your opinion is wrong” threads. Some people are just so…
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If that’s the case, it is a fantastic engineering choice. Not everybody is an expert at everything… even those who think they are
Ouch, you really got me there.
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Ouch, you really got me there.
Just messing! It’s all good 👍
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Another great thread on presta and schrader valves!

So far tubeless set -ups are missing in this discussion. Valve nuts are currently essential parts of a tubeless system.

Pliers are good for cinching down leaky tubeless valve stems. That said, it is too easy to over torque them and destroy the seal I've done that.

There are Schrader tubeless set ups too. I have a bike set up with them.

Another aspect missing from this conversation are pump head types and pump styles and the effect nuts and valves have on them.

But what I want to bring up are the issues with removable valve cores. Both Schrader and Presta require special wrenches, tools, to remove and install them. I carry these in my repair kit. Pliers can be used on presta cores in an emergency. Finer needle nose pliers will work on Schrader valve cores.

Furthermore, it is possible to over-torque valve cores! That's not good. Some valve stems are made from soft aluminum, to save weight, and perhaps mostly for pretty anodized colors. The aluminum ones need to be treated with more care.

Someone else can go into the choice of stem length and the role that rim tape plays in the equation! There's a lot to go wrong there too.
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But what I want to bring up are the issues with removable valve cores. Both Schrader and Presta require special wrenches, tools, to remove and install them. I carry these in my repair kit. Pliers can be used on presta cores in an emergency. Finer needle nose pliers will work on Schrader valve cores...
On my bikes, cars, trailers, etc. that have Schrader valves, I always have one tire set up with a metal valve cap that has a Schrader valve tool as part of it. I have had presta valve leaks on the road, but they were slow enough so I could top off the tire and get home. I've always just tightened them with a pliers, didn't know there is a special tool! I'll have to get it!

These Schrader valve caps I learned about when I was a teenager, I think they were common back then? Over the years have actually used them a few times, probably not enough to actually justify my OCD about having them though. If anyone is unfamiliar with them, they can be found in any autoparts, and most Wallmart type places.


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I always used the nuts until I bought a tube without a threded stem. If I had knew of BF then I could have started an awesome thread !! I decided not to use a nuts when I built up my Ti bike because I didn't want to scratch my uber sexy Dura Ace wheels !!
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You can pry these nuts from my cold, dead hands.
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And yet another thread devolves into squabbling over something totally inconsequential. Time to put it to bed.
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And yet another thread devolves into squabbling over something totally inconsequential. Time to put it to bed.
It was in bed 5 days ago.
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i carry a leatherman micra tool for the pliers, but this model only seems to be made with scissors now. i tighten stem nuts finger tight, but the pliers could be used to break the slip link on my chain, squish something , or as an emergency roach clip.
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