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Saddle heights I see out there many times seems to be so high

Old 03-30-22, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Hiro11 View Post
My experiences and opinions on position and saddle-to-bar drop:

When I was racing back in the late 80s / early 90s, I rode a 55 Italian racing frame with a quill stem and had the bars set maybe 1-2 inches lower than the saddle as was typical back then. Bar hooks had much deeper drops back then so I'll bet my position in the drops back then was similar to what I ride today even though I now run more saddle-to-bar drop. The top tube on my old race bike was higher at the seat post than at the head tube and I ran only about 3-4 inches of exposed seatpost (seatposts were very short back then).

These days, I ride a 54 (M) frame on my road bike and run 3-4 inches of saddle to bar drop with about 8-9 inches of exposed seatpost due to the modern compact layout of the frame. I tried lots of bike when I bought my road bike and ended up on an endurance frame and then slammed the stem. I'll bet the stack was actually taller on my old race bike than on my current bike even though that old bike was considered very racy in its day. I think bikes started becoming more aggressive with very short stacks in the late 90s.

Even though I currently have good flexibility and I can ride aggressive positions without discomfort, I prefer endurance geometry for most riding. I believe I can generate more power in a slightly more upright position and I like the fact that I can comfortably stay in the drops all day on my bike. I see guys who buy super aggressive race bikes, are forced to run a ton of spacers and even then can basically never get in the drops. I don't get it.
Yes, if you find yourself spend all your time on the tops or on the ramps, and only rarely on the hoods, and never on the drops, you may have let your ego cheat you out of a comfortable bike. I set all my bikes up so that I can ride on the hoods all day, and on the drops for miles at a time with no discomfort. As I've gotten into my mid-60s, that has meant going from bars with a 85mm reach and 140mm drop to ones with 75mm reach and 120mm drop.
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Old 03-31-22, 12:00 PM
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This might give the OP a seizure.

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Old 04-01-22, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
This might give the OP a seizure.

haha..that's a good one lol
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
haha..that's a good one lol
That bike belonged to someone who races CX, not an elitist.
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Old 04-01-22, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
That bike belonged to someone who races CX, not an elitist.
i never said ALL cyclists are elitists but i'd say a good number can be..IMO
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Old 04-01-22, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
i never said ALL cyclists are elitists but i'd say a good number can be..IMO
In your opinion or in your experience?

How much do you actually interact with other cyclists? I'm trying to think of elitist a-holes that I've come across in real life and, quite frankly, I'm coming up blank. Actually, the folks that seem like they might be the most uppity - expensive bike/clothes and/or physique that clearly shows that they put in the miles - are often the most laid back and welcoming.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
i never said ALL cyclists are elitists but i'd say a good number can be..IMO
Please give us some examples of this "elitist" behavior.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Please give us some examples of this "elitist" behavior.
hmm. sorry if you can't understand this..maybe google examples
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
hmm. sorry if you can't understand this..maybe google examples
So easy to make a statement if you can't explain or back it up. Nice work.
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Originally Posted by KJ43 View Post
So easy to make a statement if you can't explain or back it up. Nice work.
yup
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Please give us some examples of this "elitist" behavior.
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hmm. sorry if you can't understand this..maybe google examples
I don't need google, as I understand the meaning of "example." But the only example you've given is saddle height, which -- as has been thoroughly explained -- is not elitist.

So, please give us some actual examples.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
I don't need google, as I understand the meaning of "example." But the only example you've given is saddle height, which -- as has been thoroughly explained -- is not elitist.

So, please give us some actual examples.
This is *obviously* going to turn on to a waving thread.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
This is *obviously* going to turn on to a waving thread.
what is a waving thread?
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
what is a waving thread?
Duh. A thread about waving, or not waving.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Duh. A thread about waving, or not waving.
yah, not really into waving or waiving. oh well
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
This is *obviously* going to turn on to a waving thread.
One can hope ...
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
what is a waving thread?
Waving threads are usually started by individuals who are OCD about cycling ethics and feel it's an absolute moral obligation to wave at every cyclists that they encounter along the way...and if you don't wave back at them it means you're a moral failure.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
I don't need google, as I understand the meaning of "example." But the only example you've given is saddle height, which -- as has been thoroughly explained -- is not elitist.

So, please give us some actual examples.
Still waiting, eaglesandcycling ...
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Waving threads are usually started by individuals who are OCD about cycling ethics and feel it's an absolute moral obligation to wave at every cyclists that they encounter along the way...and if you don't wave back at them it means you're a moral failure.
aha..interesting. ok, thx
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Still waiting, eaglesandcycling ...
i'll pass. not that important.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
aha..interesting. ok, thx
It's spring, so we should be getting one of those any day now.

I think a lot of what gets interpreted as elitism comes from the fact that it's possible for your average Joe Schmo cyclist to be training on the same roads at the same time as very good, very experienced cyclists, and that often cyclists ride in groups, and in those groups the very good, very experienced cyclists do not want to put their bikes, bones, and skin at risk by allowing or encouraging not very good, not very experienced cyclists to ride with them.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
i'll pass. not that important.
So the troll strategy, throw the stink bomb into the room then high tail it out of there......right.

You can take a pass on it if you admit you were wrong.
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So the troll strategy, throw the stink bomb into the room then high tail it out of there......right.

You can take a pass on it if you admit you were wrong.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling View Post
i'll pass. not that important.
IOW, your assertion couldn't stand up to the mildest challenge.

I get it - a lot of people feel that others are looking down at them when they have a poor self image and they project, assuming that others must see them the same way. Nah - they weren't thinking that. In fact, you barely even registered. Don't be so hard on yourself.
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