Saddle heights I see out there many times seems to be so high
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Originally Posted by Hiro11
My experiences and opinions on position and saddle-to-bar drop:
When I was racing back in the late 80s / early 90s, I rode a 55 Italian racing frame with a quill stem and had the bars set maybe 1-2 inches lower than the saddle as was typical back then. Bar hooks had much deeper drops back then so I'll bet my position in the drops back then was similar to what I ride today even though I now run more saddle-to-bar drop. The top tube on my old race bike was higher at the seat post than at the head tube and I ran only about 3-4 inches of exposed seatpost (seatposts were very short back then).
These days, I ride a 54 (M) frame on my road bike and run 3-4 inches of saddle to bar drop with about 8-9 inches of exposed seatpost due to the modern compact layout of the frame. I tried lots of bike when I bought my road bike and ended up on an endurance frame and then slammed the stem. I'll bet the stack was actually taller on my old race bike than on my current bike even though that old bike was considered very racy in its day. I think bikes started becoming more aggressive with very short stacks in the late 90s.
Even though I currently have good flexibility and I can ride aggressive positions without discomfort, I prefer endurance geometry for most riding. I believe I can generate more power in a slightly more upright position and I like the fact that I can comfortably stay in the drops all day on my bike. I see guys who buy super aggressive race bikes, are forced to run a ton of spacers and even then can basically never get in the drops. I don't get it.
When I was racing back in the late 80s / early 90s, I rode a 55 Italian racing frame with a quill stem and had the bars set maybe 1-2 inches lower than the saddle as was typical back then. Bar hooks had much deeper drops back then so I'll bet my position in the drops back then was similar to what I ride today even though I now run more saddle-to-bar drop. The top tube on my old race bike was higher at the seat post than at the head tube and I ran only about 3-4 inches of exposed seatpost (seatposts were very short back then).
These days, I ride a 54 (M) frame on my road bike and run 3-4 inches of saddle to bar drop with about 8-9 inches of exposed seatpost due to the modern compact layout of the frame. I tried lots of bike when I bought my road bike and ended up on an endurance frame and then slammed the stem. I'll bet the stack was actually taller on my old race bike than on my current bike even though that old bike was considered very racy in its day. I think bikes started becoming more aggressive with very short stacks in the late 90s.
Even though I currently have good flexibility and I can ride aggressive positions without discomfort, I prefer endurance geometry for most riding. I believe I can generate more power in a slightly more upright position and I like the fact that I can comfortably stay in the drops all day on my bike. I see guys who buy super aggressive race bikes, are forced to run a ton of spacers and even then can basically never get in the drops. I don't get it.
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This might give the OP a seizure. 
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
This might give the OP a seizure.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
haha..that's a good one lol
04-01-22, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
That bike belonged to someone who races CX, not an elitist.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
i never said ALL cyclists are elitists but i'd say a good number can be..IMO
How much do you actually interact with other cyclists? I'm trying to think of elitist a-holes that I've come across in real life and, quite frankly, I'm coming up blank. Actually, the folks that seem like they might be the most uppity - expensive bike/clothes and/or physique that clearly shows that they put in the miles - are often the most laid back and welcoming.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
i never said ALL cyclists are elitists but i'd say a good number can be..IMO
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Please give us some examples of this "elitist" behavior.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
hmm. sorry if you can't understand this..maybe google examples
04-01-22, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KJ43
So easy to make a statement if you can't explain or back it up. Nice work.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Please give us some examples of this "elitist" behavior.
Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
hmm. sorry if you can't understand this..maybe google examples
So, please give us some actual examples.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
I don't need google, as I understand the meaning of "example." But the only example you've given is saddle height, which -- as has been thoroughly explained -- is not elitist.
So, please give us some actual examples.
So, please give us some actual examples.
04-01-22, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
This is *obviously* going to turn on to a waving thread.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
what is a waving thread?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Duh. A thread about waving, or not waving.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
This is *obviously* going to turn on to a waving thread.
04-01-22, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
what is a waving thread?
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Originally Posted by Koyote
I don't need google, as I understand the meaning of "example." But the only example you've given is saddle height, which -- as has been thoroughly explained -- is not elitist.
So, please give us some actual examples.
So, please give us some actual examples.
04-01-22, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Waving threads are usually started by individuals who are OCD about cycling ethics and feel it's an absolute moral obligation to wave at every cyclists that they encounter along the way...and if you don't wave back at them it means you're a moral failure.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
Still waiting, eaglesandcycling ...
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
aha..interesting. ok, thx
I think a lot of what gets interpreted as elitism comes from the fact that it's possible for your average Joe Schmo cyclist to be training on the same roads at the same time as very good, very experienced cyclists, and that often cyclists ride in groups, and in those groups the very good, very experienced cyclists do not want to put their bikes, bones, and skin at risk by allowing or encouraging not very good, not very experienced cyclists to ride with them.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
i'll pass. not that important.
You can take a pass on it if you admit you were wrong.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep
So the troll strategy, throw the stink bomb into the room then high tail it out of there......right.
You can take a pass on it if you admit you were wrong.
You can take a pass on it if you admit you were wrong.
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Originally Posted by eaglesandcycling
i'll pass. not that important.
I get it - a lot of people feel that others are looking down at them when they have a poor self image and they project, assuming that others must see them the same way. Nah - they weren't thinking that. In fact, you barely even registered. Don't be so hard on yourself.
