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Old 04-06-22, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post
They are usually happy to have an unknown guy along as long as you spend some time explaining how their bike works and give them technique advice. And if you throw in some anecdotes about how awesome a rider you are, they will feel lucky to be riding with you.
Yes. They especially love advice on their saddle heights.
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I am not a biologist. How am I supposed to know what a woman is?

I tend to treat everyone the same anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark View Post
I drope the hamer.
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I go out of my way to either hang well back behind women riding, or pass them quickly if the speed differential makes sense. I don't want to be either That Guy who struggles to pass a woman only to blow up a mile later, OR That Guy who hangs out behind them for mile after mile. If other riders, women of course included, want to talk and ride together for a bit, I'm happy to oblige, but I won't make the first approach. I guess overall my approach is the same with all other cyclists, but with a little added deference for women.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
That lots of people, women included, enjoy friendly competition on the road
Agreed.
Also, lots of people, including women, don't.

So, if you ask people and they say yes, no problem. If they say no, don't do it.

If you say hi during a pass, and a friendly conversation ensues, that's a social cue. You'll need to read it in context. Is any of this mysterious or even slightly controversial?
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Old 04-06-22, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I go out of my way to either hang well back behind women riding, or pass them quickly if the speed differential makes sense. I don't want to be either That Guy who struggles to pass a woman only to blow up a mile later, OR That Guy who hangs out behind them for mile after mile. If other riders, women of course included, want to talk and ride together for a bit, I'm happy to oblige, but I won't make the first approach. I guess overall my approach is the same with all other cyclists, but with a little added deference for women.

This is basically my approach whatever the gender. I find nothing more annoying as a rider than when someone barely manages to pass me then just dies right in front of me, especially when they brought their group with them to surround me.. They always seem to do this on roads where I have to wait for an opportunity to pass them back.

I'm a man, so I would only imagine that women find this sort of thing even more annoying and perhaps threatening.

I do think it's a fair presumption that people who are riding alone are riding alone on purpose, and not to assume otherwise without some sort of invite or a positive response to a question.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Once I met a girl when riding home and opened with hi Im injured, can I draft you? We both got prs on some segments so we were pushing each other.
You told her you were injured and then proceeded to PR segments?
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Old 04-06-22, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
I am not a biologist. How am I supposed to know what a woman is?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
You told her you were injured and then proceeded to PR segments?
In the same vein:

Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I asked this guy if he wanted to race but he was on the end of a century, so I offered to draft him. He was her friend and said I was cool or at least a memorable encounter
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I asked this guy if he wanted to race but he was on the end of a century, so I offered to draft him. He was her friend and said I was cool or at least a memorable encounter
I'm assuming you offered to pull him.
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Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
You guys, ALL of you, need to drop the shirtless remarks, violates at least three guidelines.
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Harassment - Harassment occurs when a member insults, attacks, and denigrates another member at any time.
Referencing that someone talked about riding shirtless in a group ride when discussing perceived interactions with others does not seem like harassment, but it isnt complimentary so is this one of the violated guidelines?

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Referencing shirtless riding doesnt disrupt the topic of conversation and could provide context for the OP's initial comments.

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Doesnt apply here. Though having now actually looked at these rules, this is violated constantly.

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Your post prompted me to actually look at the forum's rules. I would guess many dont look at or remember them. I see a couple possible violations based on the shirtless comment, but maybe I am missing something? Regardless, I decided to post the 7 rules in the thread so others can see them if they dont already know em by heart.
Oh, and to stay in compliance since some of the above is quoted work, here is me citing where I found the rules- https://www.bikeforums.net/faq.php?f...aq_forum_rules

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Old 04-06-22, 11:02 AM
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If you're looking for "friendly competition on the road," join a club and knock yourself out. Soliciting a rando to race or to "work together" comes off as thirsty, regardless of their gender.

I have a hard time believing that presumably grown-ass people struggle so mightily with the parameters of basic social interactions.

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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
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Harassment - Harassment occurs when a member insults, attacks, and denigrates another member at any time.
Referencing that someone talked about riding shirtless in a group ride when discussing perceived interactions with others does not seem like harassment, but it isnt complimentary so is this one of the violated guidelines?

Disruption - Posts which intend to disrupt the topic of conversation or steer the topic away from the focus of the forum and related news.
Referencing shirtless riding doesnt disrupt the topic of conversation and could provide context for the OP's initial comments.

Vulgarity - Vulgarity not only includes vulgar language and pictures but also sexist, racist, anti-religious, images of graphic violence, political statements and homophobic language which may offend other members.
Doesnt apply here.

Solicitation - Please refrain from using Bike Forums to promote your "crowdfunding campaign" (kickstarter/indiegogo), commercial services/website, or to advertise items for sale.
Doesnt apply here.

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Doesnt apply here.

Copyrighted Material - You may post links to appropriate articles but posting articles from other sources in their entirety is a violation of our Forum Guidelines. If you must repost quotes or sentences, please credit the source.
Doesnt apply here. Though having now actually looked at these rules, this is violated constantly.

High Maintenance Clause - Any member who occupies a majority of admin or moderator time unnecessarily will be shown the door.
Doesnt apply here.



Your post prompted me to actually look at the forum's rules. I would guess many dont look at or remember them. I see a couple possible violations based on the shirtless comment, but maybe I am missing something? Regardless, I decided to post the 7 rules in the thread so others can see them if they dont already know em by heart.
Oh, and to stay in compliance since some of the above is quoted work, here is me citing where I found the rules- https://www.bikeforums.net/faq.php?f...aq_forum_rules
You seem to have inadvertently snipped this out
"Respect the forum staff. We're not here to make life harder to anyone. Any decision taken by the administrators and moderators is final and must be respected."
Starting an argument with forum staff in the open forum can get you jammed up all kinds of ways and you know this
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Just in case people come into this thread for serious advice, I agree with those who just say "hi" on their way by and then continue at their own pace. If the woman wants a friend, they will respond with a conversation starter... "nice weather for a ride, huh?", "how far are you going?", etc. If they just say "hi" back, they're probably not interested.
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Married 61 years. Treat all women as your Daughters.
I see your point , but how about just treating them like adult humans that are not related to you?
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Old 04-06-22, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
You seem to have inadvertently snipped this out
"Respect the forum staff. We're not here to make life harder to anyone. Any decision taken by the administrators and moderators is final and must be respected."
Starting an argument with forum staff in the open forum can get you jammed up all kinds of ways and you know this
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I was not trying to start an argument. I read Billy's post, was surprised that so many rules were broken and then realized I really dont know the rules, so I looked them up. After reading thru the 7 rules, I figured I would post them and analyze the thread.
If you think I am arguing because I specifically called out referencing my work, that was just a bad joke. A bit of meta humor, I guess.

I really didnt think I was disrespecting Billy's comment, I was just commenting on how I didnt know the rules and then assessed the thread based on the rules.

I didnt forget to include the rule about respecting forum admin. The link said 7 rules and I then took the top 7. There were more, that was confusing, but I went with what the top of the page said.
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Oh wow. Looking at OPs thread history and this is some quality trolling. Like, genuinely, big ups.
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Oh wow. Looking at OP’s thread history and this is some quality trolling.
I did the same and was ... somewhat entertained ... in a driving slowly by a highway crash pile-up sorta way.

But what if it's not trolling? What if he's ... serious?
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How is it Fred has so much luck with the girls? Share your secret, Fred.
this thread could moderate toward some Recumbency
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I see your point , but how about just treating them like adult humans that are not related to you?
Thank you. I was trying to come up with something, but you stated it better than I could have.

Aside from the obvious Title IX implications in a workplace, a father-daughter relationship is very different from the relationships one has with other women.

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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I did the same and was ... somewhat entertained ... in a driving slowly by a highway crash pile-up sorta way.

But what if it's not trolling? What if he's ... serious?
I have actually met "Larry" in the flesh and he's a big, friendly, kinda goofy guy. Reminds me a bit of a Golden Retriever, honestly.
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I have actually met "Larry" in the flesh and he's a big, friendly, kinda goofy guy. Reminds me a bit of a Golden Retriever, honestly.
You lost me at "flesh."
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I'm assuming you offered to pull him.
I'm taking Larry at his word.
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I have actually met "Larry" in the flesh and he's a big, friendly, kinda goofy guy. Reminds me a bit of a Golden Retriever, honestly.
And after reviewing some of his posts (Ive been away for awhile) its pretty clear to me that Larrys on the spectrum. From now on I will be regarding his posts with this in mind.
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Due to my injury I was a good bit slower than most of the men in the club, thus I was often riding among or in near proximity to the ladies in the club. By and large most of the ladies were just as friendly and cooperative as the men. There were a couple of outliers, and would be remiss to try and discuss their motivation for being that way. Only one lady with the club was actually 'negative' about having men ride in close proximity to her. The bigger problem that I had was attitude from the significant others of some of those ladies. Very jealous and crossing over to pure asinine behavior out of two of them. One of them actually threatened me with physical harm, and myself and his wife/gf were fine with each other in spite of it.
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