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I yelled at a cyclist, today.

Old 05-06-22, 09:03 AM
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Italian driver and cyclist both yelling and gesticulating with both hands.

What could go wrong.

(wife and family are Italian and hands/arms flail when excited)
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Old 05-06-22, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post

The only person being dangerous is the one choosing to be dangerous, and in the OP's case it's the driver. It's always the driver choosing to do something dangerous.
As stated, the OP passed when it was safe to do so. He was not doing anything dangerous.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Happens all the time on the MUP, and I either request they let me pass or wait it out depending on why they may be traveling in the manner they are. I am essentially infinitely patient if there's a child involved. I don't start screaming or whatever the vocal equivalent of honking is.
yup



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Old 05-06-22, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post
It's always the driver choosing to do something dangerous.
Uncorrect. Just yesterday a woman came pedaling toward me going the wrong way on a one-way street a couple of blocks from my house. I pulled as far left as I could and stopped the car until she passed.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
Italian driver and cyclist both yelling and gesticulating with both hands.

What could go wrong.

(wife and family are Italian and hands/arms flail when excited)
Vafongool!
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Old 05-06-22, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nodnerb View Post
I'm with the OP on this one. If there is a Bike lane and someone is taking up an entire vehicle lane instead, whether it is legal or not, is pretty ignorant. It is illegal for cars to drive in the bike lane but apparently it's ok for a biker to ignore the bike lane and block the entire lane making cars go around into oncoming traffic. I agree that it makes things more dangerous and more inconvenient for all involved. I had a similar situation where I was the honker and the biker flipped me the bird as well. Only time in my 30+ years of driving I had ever honked at a biker, because I had never seen one so ignorant. Point is to SHARE the road, not hog it because you can. That is the whole reason bikers get a bad rap in the first place, by being ignorant twats like that. Someday that biker will get splattered on the road either by an inattentive driver or an angry driver, and rightfully so IMO. Or cause a head on collision.

Do you realize you just said it would be "rightful" for someone to intentionally splatter that rider?

Honking for any reason except for warning is a hostile act. I will flip you off if you honk at me. I don't care if your sensibilities were offended by having to slow down a little bit.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Once the grade cooled out I found a place to pull off the road so anyone behind me could pass.
yup sometimes you gotta let the truck pass. wasn't using a mirror but I heard it coming & it sounded big. since the road was so narrow, I just bailed to let it by

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Old 05-06-22, 09:12 AM
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FWIW, the question I asked is really intended to be a question. In my case I would feel frustrated. I would also think that the 10 mph cyclist was being, I'll call it "inappropriate." How I would respond or not is another matter. I do find it hard to believe that most people would be fine with the situation. To clarify....my response is specific to the road and not MUPs which are multiple use.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Same here. There are certain situations in which it's safer for me to take the lane and prevent an impatient motorist from endangering me. It's rare, but I do it occasionally. And it's legal in my state.
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Video reminds me of the time I was on a descent on a fully loaded bike in MT when there was someone behind me in an RV. Only a small shoulder, if you could call it that. Some tuurns, so I am not sure that he wanted to pass me, but I wasn't going to give him the opportunity to try.. Once the grade cooled out I found a place to pull off the road so anyone behind me could pass.
Perfect example.

If that RV tried to pass you on a curve, and met an oncoming vehicle, the driver would've swerved right into you.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:18 AM
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I would guess that unless you are totally car free or have absolutely no time constraints put on your life, no appointments or places where you need to go, there are instances when a cyclist or a group of cyclists have impeded your progress as a motorist.

I have never yelled, or thought of yelling, at a cyclist, but I have thought about how non-cycling motorists would feel when I’m the one on the bike. It is a good time to reflect on how much of the road do I want to legally claim. In a day and age where motorists hate cyclists but will go to whatever lengths, including getting in an accident to avoid hitting a dog, I realize that I’ve dropped down another notch, or two, on the food chain.

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Old 05-06-22, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Vafongool!
my grandparents often exclaimed "oofa!" but this comes close

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Old 05-06-22, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Your concern wasn't safety, that's a rationalization. If he's on the road legally (was he required to ride in the side lane?) "you might hurt someone by angering a driver so bad that the driver goes out of their way to hit a cyclist who's riding legally" is such absurd speculation that it's amazing anyone spouts this. You were mad because he slowed you down and you made up an excuse to tell him off.

You do understand that drivers yelling out of car windows is one of the major reasons cyclists hate drivers, right? I'm conditioned from all of the random yelling and "get on the sidewalk" type "advice" to flip off almost everyone who does this. Where I ride, it's either just random insults, "boo", stupid crap like telling me to ride on the far right of a right turn lane when I'm going straight, or just incomprehensible gibberish.
I concede your criticism due to your ignorance of the traffic code.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post
Doesn't matter how I feel. I slow down and pass only when safe to do so.

The only person being dangerous is the one choosing to be dangerous, and in the OP's case it's the driver. It's always the driver choosing to do something dangerous.

If you don't want to encounter other road users, stay at home.
You are not entitled to go as fast as you want.
Not sure you read the OP completely
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Old 05-06-22, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
FWIW, the question I asked is really intended to be a question. In my case I would feel frustrated. I would also think that the 10 mph cyclist was being, I'll call it "inappropriate." How I would respond or not is another matter. I do find it hard to believe that most people would be fine with the situation. To clarify....my response is specific to the road and not MUPs which are multiple use.
Well, your question was if we thought the OP was being impatient how would we feel about....? If the answer is "impatient", what does that matter?
If I ride in public, I encounter all sorts of people doing things inconvenient to me. I generally don't get impolite about it unless I think there's a real safety issue (I yelled at someone for close-passing a child, for example) or the person has deliberately done something intentionally to bug me.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:29 AM
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For all those who defend all cyclists regardless of their behaviour, let me remind you of a legendary epitaph:
Here lies the body of Johnathon O'Day
He died maintaining his right of way
His way was clear
His will was strong
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong
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Old 05-06-22, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Do you realize you just said it would be "rightful" for someone to intentionally splatter that rider?

Honking for any reason except for warning is a hostile act. I will flip you off if you honk at me. I don't care if your sensibilities were offended by having to slow down a little bit.
Honking is a hostile act? LOLOLOLOLOL Wow I guess cars should be banned for having horns and inciting violence. Around here, a quick chirp of the horn is a totally common and accepted way to warn someone you are there, or even to let someone know you saw them and let them into your lane or what have you (bike or car). Laying on the horn is another story.
Either way, you have no idea what particular situation I was in, or the OP. If you were biking at 4 km hour, middle of the only lane in rush hour traffic for blocks on end with a dozen cars behind you while there is a bike lane right beside, and flipping off all the cars that honk, I'd be happy to see you get mowed down, Karen. (Although no one should ever do that)

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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
I have a question for those who think the OP was just being impatient. If you were riding your bike at 20 mph and came upon a cyclist who was riding at 10 mph and in such a way as to make it impossible for you to pass, how would you feel?
Why this question is even being asked is a mystery to me. I would feel like I would if driving a vehicle, wait until it is clear and safe to pass. It happens frequently. My wellness being the main reason, along with the wellness of the others. Whether operating a vehicle or a bicycle, impatience and being unsafe is the same.
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Old 05-06-22, 09:44 AM
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I wonder if the A&S forum regulars know what they are missing up in this joint.
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If a car's horn was as loud inside the car, as it is outside, no motorist would use them.

There's a deference to all things "car". We ask children to act like adults, wearing high-vis clothing, helmets, "be seen be safe" and so on, just so adults in cars can act like children.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Happens all the time on the MUP, and I either request they let me pass or wait it out depending on why they may be traveling in the manner they are. I am essentially infinitely patient if there's a child involved. I don't start screaming or whatever the vocal equivalent of honking is.
Yup. On a MUP, you should expect children, dogs, strollers, hovercraft, whatever. Gotta go in with a different (more patient) attitude.
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Anyone else do much driving in Italy?

Impatience and generally not following any rules are the rule of the day there. I would think at least three times before taking the lane on my bike in Italy, twice in Alabama, once in Pennsyltucky, and I own it all in Seattle.
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
Anyone else do much driving in Italy?

Impatience and generally not following any rules are the rule of the day there. I would think at least three times before taking the lane on my bike in Italy, twice in Alabama, once in Pennsyltucky, and I own it all in Seattle.
Actually, the drivers are pretty good around here. Though I am in Amish country, so don't deal with as many motorists.
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
Anyone else do much driving in Italy?

Impatience and generally not following any rules are the rule of the day there. I would think at least three times before taking the lane on my bike in Italy, twice in Alabama, once in Pennsyltucky, and I own it all in Seattle.
Driving a car in Italy is scary enough, never mind biking.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Actually, the drivers are pretty good around here. Though I am in Amish country, so don't deal with as many motorists.
You are not in another country but in another world. I was born in PA and ride a lot there.
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Originally Posted by nodnerb View Post
Driving a car in Italy is scary enough, never mind biking.
Never attack an Italian driver's manhood passing in a German sedan, they will chase you down in that old beat up Fiat all the way over the Alps.
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