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Old 06-03-22, 07:52 AM
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Fast 35-42mm road tires

This is sort of a crossover between road and gravel..so we'll go with placing it in General Discussion.

I'm looking to assemble a comprehensive list of wide, fast, 700c road tires. Gravel(fine, hard rail trail type) is of secondary importance. Most road tires are fine on dry rail trail surfaces and this is good enough. Tires that fall under "Gravel", "Road", or "City/Touring/Hybrid" are all good as long as they're fast, comfortable, and 35-42mm(-ish).

So far I'm aware of:
>Gravelking Slicks & Semi-Slicks (& and SK)
>Schwalbe Marathon Supreme (HS469)
>Rene Herse
>Maxxis Velocita AR
>Challenge Strada Bianca
>American Classic Kimberlte

Anyone know of additional tires?

Personal experience/thoughts on any above, or others?

I have lots of experience with the Gravelkings & Marathon Supremes. Two very different-feel tires, but both very nice rides.
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All the work has been done for you already.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/

Continental TerraSpeed 700 x 40 roll pretty good on the road and gravel.
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Dunno if they're "fast," but Surly Extraterrestrial 700 X 41 fit the description.
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I'm not sure what sizes they're doing now, but the Schwalbe G-One Speed were nice - supple with micro-knobby tread (almost like inverted golf ball dimples). The G-One All-around have a slightly more aggressive tread, but still pretty minimal, and they're nice, too.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
All the work has been done for you already.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/

Continental TerraSpeed 700 x 40 roll pretty good on the road and gravel.
AH! Forgot about their list. Thx. That helps. Though I see some on their list are no longer available..Voyager Hypers for one. Miss that tire..it was fast.

Thx to the other suggestions. If you have any favs that are not on the rolling resistance site..please post your thoughts. It appears inventories haven't caught up yet as I'm seeing lots of "out of stock" on various websites.
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most of my riding during past year or so has been casual riding on 700 x 32 Gravelking SS (not the plus version) - they seem to be good

also just more recently tried 700 x 35 Gravelking SS - not enough time on them yet to compare to the 700 x 32

and also just recently tried 700x35 Terra Speed - they roll well - better than I expected and appear to meet the claims and rolling resistance test results despite the tread (wide spaced / low height knobs)

all tires mounted tubed (Schwalbe Aerothan TPU)

700 x 32 Gravelking SS measured just under 32 mm with weight around 320g

700 x 35 Gravelking SS measured just over 36 mm with weight around 365g (measured weights 355g to 372g)

700 x 38 Gravelking SS - 410g (did not install)

700 x 35 Terra Speed - measured just under 35 mm (maybe 35mm from outside knob to outside knob) with weight of 365g
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
All the work has been done for you already.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/

Continental TerraSpeed 700 x 40 roll pretty good on the road and gravel.
Unfortunately these tests are done on steel rollers, not on the road. Results can be skewed by casing compliance. Rene Herse tires are not cheap, but they have a great reputation for lowest on-road rolling resistance.
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Originally Posted by KerryIrons View Post
Unfortunately these tests are done on steel rollers, not on the road. Results can be skewed by casing compliance. Rene Herse tires are not cheap, but they have a great reputation for lowest on-road rolling resistance.
Guys like Robert Chung have stated that relative placement rarely shifts between drum and road, and IIRC that's typically only if they're very close, in the first place, and have slightly different impedance breakpoints.
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Originally Posted by KerryIrons View Post
Unfortunately these tests are done on steel rollers, not on the road. Results can be skewed by casing compliance. Rene Herse tires are not cheap, but they have a great reputation for lowest on-road rolling resistance.
you don't ride on steel roads ? lol

agree the tests might not directly equate to real world conditions - but it does provide a reference

and for casing compliance - wouldn't casing compliance also be a factor in real world performance - and maybe even more so on compromised road surfaces ?

I was curious (and almost skeptical) about the performance of the Terra Speed after reviewing the rolling resistance charts - and in fact was the primary reason I purchased the tire (I was not looking for a 'knobby' tread) ... wanted to try for myself

but after a few rides I was impressed - and believe the performance met the claims and rolling resistance test numbers

(but for this particular tire I would trade some of the compliance and rolling resistance for added thickness and protection - and maybe a slight less round profile)

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Old 06-06-22, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KerryIrons View Post
Unfortunately these tests are done on steel rollers, not on the road. Results can be skewed by casing compliance. Rene Herse tires are not cheap, but they have a great reputation for lowest on-road rolling resistance.
It doesn't matter that the tests are done on steel rollers. If one tire has less rolling resistance than another tire on a roller it will also have less rolling resistance on the road (any road surface) as well.

Agree with the comments above about the Terra Speed. I have the 700 x 40s on my bike and can maintain pretty damn close to road bike tire speeds with them both on and off the pavement. I chose the tires based on the test results on that website.
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Old 06-06-22, 09:38 AM
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Iíve got a couple of bikes that Iíve been running 700c Kenda Kwick Drumlins on. Iíve got a set of 40mm and a set of 45mm. I like them because they can be inflated at a lower level to engage the knobby treads on the edges for soft terrain or pumped up to 80 lbs. to run smooth on the tight tread in the middle. My only beef is that itís difficult/impossible to find them without the reflective stripe on the sidewalls. Itís easy to peel the stripe off but would rather not have to.
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Rene Herse in Superlight casing are pretty freaking fast, light, and ride like magic.

Bon Jon Pass (35mm), Barlow Pass (38mm).
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
It doesn't matter that the tests are done on steel rollers. If one tire has less rolling resistance than another tire on a roller it will also have less rolling resistance on the road (any road surface) as well.

Agree with the comments above about the Terra Speed. I have the 700 x 40s on my bike and can maintain pretty damn close to road bike tire speeds with them both on and off the pavement. I chose the tires based on the test results on that website.
I would question that logic as the variables could affect the resistance in a non-related fashion. As an example, a fast car such as a Porsche Turbo would not be the fastest car if a travel trailer was attached when compared to another performance vehicle such as an AMG E63 wagon. How would a solid rubber tire or hyper-inflated tire perform on their tests? A tire specifically tuned to perform well in real-world conditions might perform poorly on the static rolling drum test.

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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
I would question that logic as the variables could affect the resistance in a non-related fashion. As an example, a fast car such as a Porsche Turbo would not be the fastest car if a travel trailer was attached when compared to another performance vehicle such as an AMG E63 wagon. How would a solid rubber tire or hyper-inflated tire perform on their tests? A tire specifically tuned to perform well in real-world conditions might perform poorly on the static rolling drum test.
Anyone else struggling with this analogy? Or is it just me?
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
I would question that logic as the variables could affect the resistance in a non-related fashion. ... A tire specifically tuned to perform well in real-world conditions might perform poorly on the static rolling drum test.
Again, this isn't something that has borne out in testing - here's a snippet from an RChung post, feel free to follow the link back for the thread/context -

Originally Posted by RChung View Post
... So, back then, we were *exactly* occupied with this question of the agreement or disagreement between roller and field tests. We were 100% concerned that roller tests were not realistic, and we were hoping to use field tests to prove that roller tests were inadequate. Most of this stuff was just presented and discussed and analyzed and shared on the Slowtwitch Forum. Here's the part you're not gonna like, and I don't really like it either: if you go to Slowtwitch and search the forum for posts by any of us with subject headings like "roller Crr" or "roller vs. field test" or variants of that, you'll see the discussions. So, you can look up the discussions -- they're still there, including the descriptions of what we found and discussion and arguments, but you'll have to read through a bunch of scattered posts to find where we concluded that *we were wrong* and the rank ordering of roller and field tests is almost always preserved. Look in the time frame around 2008 or 2009 or so.

Second, more to your purposes, we were racing, so almost all of our tests (except for a couple of tests of training tires) were for racing tires, and those were tires that we either personally owned or were sent to us for testing -- remember, I said none of us work in the industry. So, altogether, there were maybe a a dozen of these joint tests until we got tired (!) of doing them -- field testing is a lot more time intensive than roller testing and none of us were getting paid for it (cuz we're not in the industry) so once we saw that relative rankings hardly ever changed, we stopped that unless there was a really good reason. I was happy and relieved for that....
This is good enough for me. I'm sure that, should further info come to light, guys like Robert are going to know and share the info before a schlub like me does "internet research" to blow the cover off.
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Anyone else struggling with this analogy? Or is it just me?
Upon a re-read, I missed the mark on that one! I will leave the analogies to others going forward. The point I was trying to make was just because a tire performs really well on the drum test does not necessarily correlate to conditions out on the road.
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Upon a re-read, I missed the mark on that one! I will leave the analogies to others going forward. The point I was trying to make was just because a tire performs really well on the drum test does not necessarily correlate to conditions out on the road.
This isn't that difficult.

If tire A has less rolling resistance than tire B on a roller. Then tire A will also have less rolling resistance than tire B on pavement or gravel.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...ing-resistance
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I think the Gravelkings you listed are your best bet, they are rated high in that rolling test site, but you can Goggle reviews about the Gravelkings, and anywhere you look they have high reviews, plus they are less expensive than some other brands.
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Toss my suggestion for 42mm Soma Shikoros. On my commuter, I swapped the Shikoros in for 38mm Marathons, and the ride difference is night and day. They feel faster, with a cushier ride, just as puncture resistant, with only one flat in 4,800 miles, and still going strong.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
Upon a re-read, I missed the mark on that one! I will leave the analogies to others going forward. The point I was trying to make was just because a tire performs really well on the drum test does not necessarily correlate to conditions out on the road.
The drum tests do appear to correlate very well with real-world road conditions, hence why such tests endure in terms of ranking road tyres. There isn't really any reason to believe otherwise unless you have some data to suggest otherwise.
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I really liked my Compass Barlow Pass 38mm Ultra lights. Thin and flexible, like a road tire, and no tread, good. The ride was amazing on new, rough chipseal roads, and fast on smooth roads. Cornering was really grippy.
But one tire developed a bulge, it appears the fabric casing is failing. I didn't hit any curbs or deep potholes.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
I think the Gravelkings you listed are your best bet, they are rated high in that rolling test site, but you can Goggle reviews about the Gravelkings, and anywhere you look they have high reviews, plus they are less expensive than some other brands.
I also like the Gravelking

prefer the Gravelking SS over the Gravelking slick

Gravelking slick is lighter and faster - but I prefer the added tread thickness, puncture resistance, and durability / longer life of the SS
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