Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > General Cycling Discussion
Reload this Page >

fearing the slow good bye to rim brake bikes

Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

fearing the slow good bye to rim brake bikes

Old 06-17-22, 03:57 PM
  #176  
smd4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 2,113

Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1244 Post(s)
Liked 919 Times in 600 Posts
Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Didnt most of you convert to engineers or brakeman?
I’m training as an engineer but enjoy the mental challenge of firing.
smd4 is offline  
Old 06-17-22, 08:03 PM
  #177  
Joe Bikerider
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 662

Bikes: 1969 Peugeot PX10, 1992 Della Santa, Linus Roadster 8

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 624 Post(s)
Liked 383 Times in 228 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
As a qualified steam locomotive fireman, I may be one of the few here who gets this reference...
I got it although referring to a fireman on diesels. My uncle was a fireman on the SP for many years. As a kid I was told his job was to open the fuel valve at the beginning of a run and close it before going home. His other responsibility was to make sure the horn was blown when the train passed my grandfathers paint factory in West Berkeley. Triangle paint named after the three partners who founded the place. Made a fortune making red, white and blue paint for Chevron. Oh, and also Sage Grey as used on our house and applied by each of us four brothers in our turn.

Begonias are flowering plants often found near sugar magnolias. Blossoms blooming!

Last edited by Joe Bikerider; 06-17-22 at 08:16 PM.
Joe Bikerider is offline  
Old 06-17-22, 09:17 PM
  #178  
Ironfish653
Dirty Heathen
 
Ironfish653's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: MC-778, 6250 fsw
Posts: 1,891

Bikes: 1997 Cannondale, 1976 Bridgestone, 1998 SoftRide, 1989 Klein

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 735 Post(s)
Liked 625 Times in 385 Posts
Originally Posted by DMC707 View Post
If the question is "quality" rim brakes and components - i better understand now

Was looking for good 26" tubeless compatible mountain bike tires not too long ago --- everyone catalogues a model or 2 - but finding any in stock is a royal pain -- and we are less than 10 years removed from the 26'ers
Sort of, but not quite; not a lot of overlap between 26ers and tubeless.
Mainstream availability of Tubeless goes with the shift in first-line MTBs to the “Big Wheel” era (29/27.5)

Kinda like 1” threadless headsets; “transition era” stuff gets hard to find
Ironfish653 is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 08:41 AM
  #179  
mtbikerjohn 
Full Member
 
mtbikerjohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: near Detroit
Posts: 233

Bikes: a few..

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 45 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
As a qualified steam locomotive fireman, I may be one of the few here who gets this reference...
Great Smokey Railroad?
mtbikerjohn is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 08:45 AM
  #180  
mtbikerjohn 
Full Member
 
mtbikerjohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: near Detroit
Posts: 233

Bikes: a few..

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 45 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
As a qualified steam locomotive fireman, I may be one of the few here who gets this reference...

You mentioned steam?
mtbikerjohn is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 09:11 AM
  #181  
smd4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 2,113

Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1244 Post(s)
Liked 919 Times in 600 Posts
Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn View Post
Great Smokey Railroad?
New Hope Valley Railway, Bonsal, NC.
smd4 is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 09:35 AM
  #182  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,314

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6847 Post(s)
Liked 7,258 Times in 3,696 Posts
I had a great grandfather who was an engineer for the PRR, till somebody sideswiped his locomotive in a yard accident, tore open a steam pipe, and scalded him. That was 102 years ago.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 01:17 PM
  #183  
mtbikerjohn 
Full Member
 
mtbikerjohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: near Detroit
Posts: 233

Bikes: a few..

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 45 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
New Hope Valley Railway, Bonsal, NC.
Awesome! I was a carman for the Durango & Silverton in Colorado
mtbikerjohn is offline  
Likes For mtbikerjohn:
Old 06-18-22, 01:17 PM
  #184  
mtbikerjohn 
Full Member
 
mtbikerjohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: near Detroit
Posts: 233

Bikes: a few..

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 45 Posts
Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I had a great grandfather who was an engineer for the PRR, till somebody sideswiped his locomotive in a yard accident, tore open a steam pipe, and scalded him. That was 102 years ago.
wow!
mtbikerjohn is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 01:26 PM
  #185  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,314

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6847 Post(s)
Liked 7,258 Times in 3,696 Posts
Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn View Post
wow!
His widow, my GGM, won something like $21K from the Pennsy for the accident.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 01:31 PM
  #186  
tomato coupe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,829

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2432 Post(s)
Liked 4,270 Times in 1,734 Posts
Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I had a great grandfather who was an engineer for the PRR, till somebody sideswiped his locomotive in a yard accident, tore open a steam pipe, and scalded him. That was 102 years ago.
How do you sideswipe a train?
tomato coupe is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 01:39 PM
  #187  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,314

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6847 Post(s)
Liked 7,258 Times in 3,696 Posts
Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
How do you sideswipe a train?
With another locomotive. The accident was blamed on the other engineer, IIRC. Tracks curve, but locomotives don't.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 01:43 PM
  #188  
tomato coupe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,829

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2432 Post(s)
Liked 4,270 Times in 1,734 Posts
Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
With another locomotive. The accident was blamed on the other engineer, IIRC. Tracks curve, but locomotives don't.
They don't put enough space between tracks to avoid this? Seems like that should be covered in Track Design 101.
tomato coupe is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 01:58 PM
  #189  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,314

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6847 Post(s)
Liked 7,258 Times in 3,696 Posts
Here's a clipping -

I confess, the geometry of the crash escapes me, unless the two were headed for the same switch and the helper was supposed to be waiting for 2133 and didn't.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 02:03 PM
  #190  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,314

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6847 Post(s)
Liked 7,258 Times in 3,696 Posts
Best I can tell, 2133 would have been an H6a 2-8-0 freight engine, and would look something like this:

__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 02:20 PM
  #191  
Sonofamechanic 
Go Ride!
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Minnesota—55346
Posts: 249

Bikes: Klein Quantum Pro, Klein Attitude, Azuki SS, Merckx AXM, Klein Quantum Race, Klein Quantum

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Liked 128 Times in 73 Posts
…I skipped over from the ‘spell-check’ vitriol of page 1 to this page…what a nice turn of events…from rim ‘breaks’ (Mavic Cosmics? &#128521 to rim brakes….now to steam locomotives. My grandfather (Jim Dunlap) was an engineer as well for Burlington Northern—“BLF&E” (Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen)…long live his memory.
Sonofamechanic is offline  
Likes For Sonofamechanic:
Old 06-18-22, 02:30 PM
  #192  
smd4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 2,113

Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1244 Post(s)
Liked 919 Times in 600 Posts
Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
They don't put enough space between tracks to avoid this? Seems like that should be covered in Track Design 101.
Sounds like it occurred on a track switch. You don’t want to mess with live steam. What a horrible way to perish.
smd4 is offline  
Old 06-18-22, 02:51 PM
  #193  
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Posts: 9,624

Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Tour II

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2999 Post(s)
Liked 938 Times in 557 Posts
How about those new fangled metal rims, I just dont think they have the flex of a well made wooden rim.
rydabent is offline  
Likes For rydabent:
Old 06-19-22, 07:38 AM
  #194  
mtbikerjohn 
Full Member
 
mtbikerjohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: near Detroit
Posts: 233

Bikes: a few..

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 45 Posts
Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
How do you sideswipe a train?
You should look up the potato truck incident that happened in Durango,Co. during the "80's,I believe. A truck,loaded with potatoes, lost its brakes, and crashed thru the fence @ the railroad and hit the engine being loaded at a coal dock. Fortunately,the engine didn't explode or it would have leveled pretty much half of Durango. I worked with some old timers who were there when it happened and heard it took awhile to get the ****stains out of their bibs..
mtbikerjohn is offline  
Old 06-19-22, 08:00 AM
  #195  
Jeff Neese
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 783
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 428 Post(s)
Liked 295 Times in 197 Posts
Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
I think the concern isnt that rim brakes of any kind will disappear soon, its that rim brakes and connected components which are high quality will disappear soon.

Quality lightweight rim brake rims, quality brake calipers, quality brake levers(STI and dedicated), etc- these leaving the market is what many are concerned about. Posters here are typically enthusiasts and anyone wanting to keep a rim brake bike is almost certainly also someone who does not want generic stamped low end components on their bike.
I maintain a stable of vintage steel bikes (1987-1995), with quill stems, mostly cantilever brakes, 6-8 speeds in the rear, square-taper BBs, etc. I actually think there are more high-quality choices now than there were back then, with regard to brakes, shifters, cassettes and freewheels, BBs, cranksets, or anything else. Rim brakes aren't going anywhere.

Last edited by Jeff Neese; 06-19-22 at 09:27 AM.
Jeff Neese is offline  
Old 06-19-22, 08:20 AM
  #196  
tomato coupe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,829

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2432 Post(s)
Liked 4,270 Times in 1,734 Posts
Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn View Post
You should look up the potato truck incident that happened in Durango,Co. during the "80's,I believe. A truck,loaded with potatoes, lost its brakes, and crashed thru the fence @ the railroad and hit the engine being loaded at a coal dock. Fortunately,the engine didn't explode or it would have leveled pretty much half of Durango. I worked with some old timers who were there when it happened and heard it took awhile to get the ****stains out of their bibs..
Time for a reality check — that would have been a bigger blast than the Hiroshima bomb.
tomato coupe is offline  
Old 06-19-22, 08:27 AM
  #197  
Sonofamechanic 
Go Ride!
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Minnesota—55346
Posts: 249

Bikes: Klein Quantum Pro, Klein Attitude, Azuki SS, Merckx AXM, Klein Quantum Race, Klein Quantum

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Liked 128 Times in 73 Posts

Agreed….coal and potatoes…not a particularly ‘combustible cocktail’. …and all caused by brake/break failure….so we’ve come full circle…
Sonofamechanic is offline  
Likes For Sonofamechanic:
Old 06-19-22, 08:58 AM
  #198  
SkinGriz
Live not by lies.
 
Join Date: Nov 2020
Posts: 800

Bikes: BigBox bikes.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 450 Post(s)
Liked 379 Times in 291 Posts
Originally Posted by Sonofamechanic View Post

Agreed….coal and potatoes…not a particularly ‘combustible cocktail’. …and all caused by brake/break failure….so we’ve come full circle…
It’s not the coal or potatoes.

I think it’s the boiler and maintaining a pressure. I think something can go wrong with steam engines where the pressure can shoot up and pop the boiler. I think this can lead to a catastrophic explosion.

I only vaguely understand how steam engines work from a model my dad had when I was a kid.
SkinGriz is offline  
Old 06-19-22, 09:06 AM
  #199  
_ForceD_
Senior Member on Sr bikes
 
_ForceD_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,951

Bikes: Several...from old junk to new all-carbon.

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 849 Post(s)
Liked 546 Times in 299 Posts
As I sat at a traffic light in my pickup truck, looking over at a fellow cyclist stopped there…and looking at his bike (with rim brakes)…I though of this thread, and the potential for rim brakes going away, and/or their obsolescence because of newfangled disc brakes. And then I thought “Well, the superiority of disc brakes on cars was supposed to replace drum brakes back in the 1970s. But this truck…a 2019 model…has drum brakes (albeit just on the rear). So if that’s any indicator, maybe rim brakes for bicycles won’t completely go away.

Dan
_ForceD_ is offline  
Old 06-19-22, 09:21 AM
  #200  
tomato coupe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,829

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2432 Post(s)
Liked 4,270 Times in 1,734 Posts
Originally Posted by _ForceD_ View Post
As I sat at a traffic light in my pickup truck, looking over at a fellow cyclist stopped there…and looking at his bike (with rim brakes)…I though of this thread, and the potential for rim brakes going away, and/or their obsolescence because of newfangled disc brakes. And then I thought “Well, the superiority of disc brakes on cars was supposed to replace drum brakes back in the 1970s. But this truck…a 2019 model…has drum brakes (albeit just on the rear). So if that’s any indicator, maybe rim brakes for bicycles won’t completely go away.
Disc brakes are superior. Pickup trucks only put drum brakes on the rear because they're a lot cheaper.
tomato coupe is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.