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Wind 'N Snow 07-28-05 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute
I just love getting up at 4 am (sun time) to leave for work at 530 am (sun time) and arriving at work at 630 am (sun time) half an hour before the sun comes up. In the winter, daylight savings time means that it's an hour colder too. Thanks for nothin', Congress!

Some of us would like to train/cycle/commute in the warmer, lighted afternoon hours. But because of a multitude of reasons, must rise earlier to do what we love. As I understand this, this will rob morning light to pay the late afternoon. This wouldn't be that helpful to the morning people.

From a neighbourly point of view, imagine the hassle of crossing the north/south border - no not Mason/Dixon! - only to find that you have somehow travelled time?

Yeah yeah, who cares, if it makes sense, just do it. As an outsider, and someone who lives in a weird land that doesn't "save" daylight-ever, I just don't think this makes sense.

Walkafire 07-28-05 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute
Yea. Read the paper, go to the bathroom while reading the paper, eat breakfast while reading the paper, finish the funnies, pack my bag and get out the door. Did I mention that I like to read my paper in the morning?

ok ok ok Must be that dayum Rocky Mt News LOL

Trek7000ZX 07-28-05 10:38 PM

What you want to know about DST: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html

Before there can be Daylight Saving Time, there needs to be standard time. That happened in 1918, by the Standard Time Act of 1918 in the Federal Congress (USA), which also set DST to start at the end of March. The law got repealed and the Roosevelt set up "War Time" which was year round DST during WWII. There was a period of non-standard time around the country which LBJ ended with the Uniform Time Act in '66. Nixon setup Emergency DST which lasted for 15 months. In '86 is when the laws were setup as we know the DST schedule to be.

So basically, no one really knows what the hell time it is, except maybe phycists, but even they say it's all relative :P

cyccommute 07-28-05 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by Walkafire
ok ok ok Must be that dayum Rocky Mt News LOL

I'm not that pleased with the editorial content but it's easier to read while contemplating on the porcelain throne. The Post has better stuff but I don't like doing origami in the morning. Not before I've had coffee anyway (I have that at work).

cyccommute 07-28-05 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by Wind 'N Snow
Some of us would like to train/cycle/commute in the warmer, lighted afternoon hours. But because of a multitude of reasons, must rise earlier to do what we love. As I understand this, this will rob morning light to pay the late afternoon. This wouldn't be that helpful to the morning people.

From a neighbourly point of view, imagine the hassle of crossing the north/south border - no not Mason/Dixon! - only to find that you have somehow travelled time?

Yeah yeah, who cares, if it makes sense, just do it. As an outsider, and someone who lives in a weird land that doesn't "save" daylight-ever, I just don't think this makes sense.

That's one of the arguments against daylight saving time. It's going to cost the airline industry millions to adjust their schedules to fit the rest of the world. Considering that the US signed an international treaty in the 50s promising to keep daylight saving time to only 6 months a year like the rest of the world our current set up is clearly illegal. But then I suppose we could talk to any number of Native American tribes about our national promises, couldn't we?

cyccommute 07-28-05 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by Trek7000ZX
What you want to know about DST: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html

Before there can be Daylight Saving Time, there needs to be standard time. That happened in 1918, by the Standard Time Act of 1918 in the Federal Congress (USA), which also set DST to start at the end of March. The law got repealed and the Roosevelt set up "War Time" which was year round DST during WWII. There was a period of non-standard time around the country which LBJ ended with the Uniform Time Act in '66. Nixon setup Emergency DST which lasted for 15 months. In '86 is when the laws were setup as we know the DST schedule to be.

So basically, no one really knows what the hell time it is, except maybe phycists, but even they say it's all relative :P

Actually it is currently 0500 zulu 7/29 (Universal standard time).

Wind 'N Snow 07-29-05 10:57 AM

Hey, Cycco. It looks like its mostly you and me here. Why don't we start our own time zone. It would be great. It could be bike based and have a variable that allows the time to shift according to wind speed, hill grade and weather.

Cyclists would then alsways be on time and have some extra time to change and "freshen up" after a ride.

Of course, there would have to be some provision for TTs. Call it BURP. Bicycle Universal Realignment Provision.

Whatcha think?

jitteringjr 07-29-05 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by cyccommute
That's one of the arguments against daylight saving time. It's going to cost the airline industry millions to adjust their schedules to fit the rest of the world.

Umm how does changing what time time of the day we have sunlight have any effect on airlines? We can fly in the dark you know.

Wind 'N Snow 07-29-05 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Umm how does changing what time time of the day we have sunlight have any effect on airlines? We can fly in the dark you know.

Good question. Currently, if it is 6 p.m. In Toronto, Canada, it is also 6 p.m. in New York City. Same time Zone. Now if the US changes it's time zone. 6 p.m. in Toronto becomes 7 p.m. in New York. So airlines, truckers, trains, busses, stock exchanges, border crossing girl scout groups would have to change their schedules to accomodate. Yes, these are only administrative changes (on paper, on screen etc.) but the necessary programing, coordinating and extra work has been estimated to cost business, even American ones millions of dollars.

Of course the option is for every other country to do the same thing. Yeah, like that would happen. they can't even agree to disagree on the Kyoto accord - this is all about saving energy isn't it....hmmm.

wsexson 07-29-05 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by TwoTyred
After looking on the web, i found a bunch of, um.."folks"
who, apparently, like it to be dark at 5:00pm! --Prolly
stationary trainer company employee's...

Any thoughts on this?

I am originally from Indiana and my whole life up until next April clocks in most of the state have been about an hour ahead of "sun time" year round because Indiana is in the Eastern Time Zone despite being physically in Central. In my opinion, having clocks an hour fast in March and November sucks. For me, light in the morning is far more important than light in the evening. But then again, I don't like it in the summer either. It is harder to go to sleep at a decent hour if the sun is still up. Maybe I am just a retrogrouch when it comes to clocks. :)

Back to Indiana. Starting next April most of Indiana will be almost two hours ahead of "sun time" until the end of October since the state will start observing DST. Maybe all you late sunset lovers should move to Indianapolis! :p

And to pick nits with your headline, there will not be any more daylight to ride or do anything else. The clock hands will just be pointing differently.

Trek7000ZX 07-29-05 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute
Considering that the US signed an international treaty in the 50s promising to keep daylight saving time to only 6 months a year like the rest of the world our current set up is clearly illegal. But then I suppose we could talk to any number of Native American tribes about our national promises, couldn't we?

Are you saying that the US has a longer DST than Europe by a whole month? If you consult the link I posted, also posted with the relevant page below, you'll realize that indeed the US has longer than a 6 month period of DST. It's from the first Sunday in April until the last Sunday of October. A total of 7 months. However, on that same page you'll notice that EU starts their DST earlier than the USA (always in March), and ends on the same day. Seeing as there have been changes to DST numerous times in the US and in Europe I doubt any treaty signed in the 50s is still in effect between these two entities (not that the EU even existed to sign a treaty back then, it would have be other nations). Also, from 1945 to 1966, there was no federal law about Daylight Saving Time. So states and localities were free to choose whether to observe Daylight Saving Time and could choose when it began and ended. Thus I'm not sure than any such treaty ever existed.

When DST is observed: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html


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