Soma 650b Grand Randonneur EX vs Panaracer Pari Moto
 

I currently have parimoto’s 640b x 42 and while looking for a good price on standard Pasela 27” tires, I found the Soma tires.

does anyone have any experience with both the Soma and the Pari Moto’s?

for $124 I can get the soma tires and the pasela 27” or for $128 I can get the pari motos, the 27” paselas and tubes.

My guess is the Soma tires are made by Panaracer as the tires are made in Japan and Panaracer does make a big bulk of tires for other companies because they are known for decent tires. I don't think on either one you would go wrong.

fwiw when I was experimenting with all kinds of tires during lockdown, Pari-Motos were by far my least favorite. Felt stiff and piggy, even at low pressures. Not sure how taht was even possible, but it was. (I was riding 650x47). No experience with Somas.

didn’t think about that. Thanks.

Take a look at Chaoyang tires - just do a quick search on google. A fraction of whatever you would consider to be a "normal price.." every bit as good, if not better. Don't waste your money on a rebranded version of the same thing.

thanks for the recommendation, unfortunately they don’t do 27” and their 650b’s are all knobby.

Panaracer is a tire manufacturer, and Soma's tires (and many other small brands) are manufactured by Panaracer. They are not rebranded Chaoyang tires.

I combed through their catalog, and it looks like they do have a few reasonably-svelte non-knobby 650b road tires in the 40mm-ish ballpark, the Flying Diamond and the Viper. I'm not sure to what degree that can actually be sourced, and if you're trying to avoid puncture protection layers, unfortunately it appears that only the cheapest options are available without a nylon breaker below the tread.

They are a little more than your initially listed prices, but Rene Herse has a good selection of 650B tires. They are made by Panaracer to Rene Herse specs.

Panaracer is not buying Chaoyang. Maybe Chaoyang makes OK cheap tires but don't conflate them with Panaracer or Schwalbe or Continental who make their own tires.

This is incorrect.:foo:

I'm not saying that Panaracer specifically sells tires rebranded from Chaoyang, but if you think that they manufacture tires specifically for themselves, by themselves, in their own factory, this is complete nonsense.

Panracer does that specifically

Do you, by chance, work for Chaoyang, or for a "reputation management" firm that is contracted to them?

Because, if not, I cannot see any reason that anyone would continue pimping out a company that nobody has ever heard of, and that nobody was asking about, in the face of overwhelming, documented evidence that the tires that the questioner was actually asking about are actually made in the actual Panaracer factory in actual Japan by actual Japanese workers.

Go tell your boss that bikeforums.net is not a target for your "targeted online marketing campaign."

Which you are welcome to interpret as it was intended: total, intentional BS.

Because we're not anywhere near as stupid as you clearly think we are.

--Shannon

Naaah. In addition to not being able to distinguish decent tires from junk, I'm pretty sure he is unable to hold a job.

Just want to say I have some ex and I like them better than gravel kings but I havnt tried parimotos

Hold on a second. Are you literally claiming that all of the brands that sell tires from Panaracer - such as Soma, Fairweather, Simworks, Swifttire, or Rene Herse - are using Panaracer as a distribution middleman? Besides this being an absolutely bizarre thing for these businesses to do, how do you explain representatives from these brands claiming to have observed Panaracer tire-manufacturing operations in Japan? From what I can tell, your claim implies that Panaracer is running some sort of Potemkin tire factory to trick representatives into thinking that they're a tire manufacturer. If you have evidence of this wild conspiracy, you've uncovered an extremely interesting story.

Responding to Moisture is like stepping into quicksand. Danger, Will Robinson!

I have had a good experience with Compass/Rene Herse 650b tires with minimal tread.