Why don't people want to pedal anymore?
09-27-22, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Why would you pass someone on the right? Who cares if California says you can, its super obnoxious
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was out riding Sunday when guy came up on an e-bike and asked "you ever thought about putting a motor on your bike"? When I said no, he said "you should, it's a lot more fun". Then he rode off
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09-28-22, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Why would you pass someone on the right? Who cares if California says you can, its super obnoxious
If it's going to be a close enough pass of a cyclist on either side to warrant concern, announce it and then what's obnoxious about it?
I just can't figure out how you decide what is or isn't obnoxious, your etiquette meter seems to be wired backwards.
09-28-22, 06:21 AM
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I'm perfectly ok with e-bikes until they are more like a motorized vehicle (prohibited on the trails in my area) than a bicycle. I see some regulars that don't pedal at all, and ride approx 25 mph, and the bikes are HUGE. They look more like motorcycles, with triple tree forks, 5" wide tires, massive multi-LED headlights. One is a trike, and he goes very fast, again, with no pedaling. Seems dangerous.
I like seeing the e-boards. That looks fun and they don't seem troublesome.
I like seeing the e-boards. That looks fun and they don't seem troublesome.
09-28-22, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
If it's going to be a close enough pass of a cyclist on either side to warrant concern, announce it and then what's obnoxious about it?
I just can't figure out how you decide what is or isn't obnoxious, your etiquette meter seems to be wired backwards.
I just can't figure out how you decide what is or isn't obnoxious, your etiquette meter seems to be wired backwards.
I was commenting on terry because he seems to be a letter of the law type when talking about a scooter dudes top speed (lol!) so I find it interesting that he would ever pass another cyclist on the right. He can pass the cars however he wants I dont care.
09-28-22, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Viewed one way, a circular paceline is nothing but a constant passing on the right formation.
09-29-22, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
I would only pass someone on the right if I knew who they were and know they wouldn't care. Generally I don't think you should have to announce yourself; if the pass is close enough that it warrants an announcement then you probably shouldn't be making that pass and you certainly shouldn't be doing it from the unexpected side (the right.) That being said when I ride with other people I tend to say "inside" or "on your right" more than "on your left" specifically because being on the inside/to the right is kind of unexpected and unusual.
I was commenting on terry because he seems to be a letter of the law type when talking about a scooter dudes top speed (lol!) so I find it interesting that he would ever pass another cyclist on the right. He can pass the cars however he wants I dont care.
I was commenting on terry because he seems to be a letter of the law type when talking about a scooter dudes top speed (lol!) so I find it interesting that he would ever pass another cyclist on the right. He can pass the cars however he wants I dont care.
I have passed cyclists on the right on MUPs, but they had no business riding on the left side of the path, and I always announce on MUPs.
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09-29-22, 07:25 AM
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I just yell "On Your Left" and pass people on roads and MUPS.
Never have passed on the right. Even if I could have passed on the right I still yell "on your left" because it forces people to be on the right...Where they should be in the first place.
Never have passed on the right. Even if I could have passed on the right I still yell "on your left" because it forces people to be on the right...Where they should be in the first place.
09-29-22, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by KPREN
Just catching up after being gone a week riding my E bicycle along the Erie Canal.
I do not see this as a straw man argument at all. The message in this thread is clear. There are a bunch of cyclists in this thread that look down their noses at me because I ride an E bicycle exclusively and do not share their view that a bicycle is primarily a piece of exercise equipment. In fact, I look at an E bicycle as just the opposite. Yeah, I know it "does not apply" to me but I get the clear message that it does from this thread.
Today I went out and rode my cadence sensed E bicycle with the dropper post all the way down while ghost pedaling. For you casual observers: "I was an ignorant newbie" instead of a guy using his E bicycle to loosen up stiff joints after working under a piece of machinery. With the saddle all the way down and no pedal pressure, I can roll my hips, knees and ankles through a wide range of motion. On a regular bike I would be cramping in a couple of miles. Instead, I could walk normal without stiffness and pain after two miles.
I do not see this as a straw man argument at all. The message in this thread is clear. There are a bunch of cyclists in this thread that look down their noses at me because I ride an E bicycle exclusively and do not share their view that a bicycle is primarily a piece of exercise equipment. In fact, I look at an E bicycle as just the opposite. Yeah, I know it "does not apply" to me but I get the clear message that it does from this thread.
Today I went out and rode my cadence sensed E bicycle with the dropper post all the way down while ghost pedaling. For you casual observers: "I was an ignorant newbie" instead of a guy using his E bicycle to loosen up stiff joints after working under a piece of machinery. With the saddle all the way down and no pedal pressure, I can roll my hips, knees and ankles through a wide range of motion. On a regular bike I would be cramping in a couple of miles. Instead, I could walk normal without stiffness and pain after two miles.
You're reading what you want to read.
What's more, these topics bleed out from the subforums like "e-bikes" or "recumbents" in the general topics. Where manual input diamond frame bikes dominate the chat. You cannot reasonably expect the outcome to be 100% supportive instead of 80/20 or even 50/50. If that's what you seek, there are entire chat forums and sub-forums for it where the support will be closer to 100%.
Kind of like a bike racer shouldn't jump into a fitness/touring/leisure topic and expect to receive 100% support.
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09-29-22, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71
I just yell "On Your Left" and pass people on roads and MUPS.
Never have passed on the right. Even if I could have passed on the right I still yell "on your left" because it forces people to be on the right...Where they should be in the first place.
Never have passed on the right. Even if I could have passed on the right I still yell "on your left" because it forces people to be on the right...Where they should be in the first place.
I don't do it often, but I have passed on the right on paths when people seem to be too clueless to figure out they should've stayed to the right in the first place, and I really don't want to have to wait while they sort that out. I make damn sure they know I'm there before start my pass, though.
09-29-22, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71
I just yell "On Your Left" and pass people on roads and MUPS.
Never have passed on the right. Even if I could have passed on the right I still yell "on your left" because it forces people to be on the right...Where they should be in the first place.
Never have passed on the right. Even if I could have passed on the right I still yell "on your left" because it forces people to be on the right...Where they should be in the first place.
09-29-22, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep
That's quite the victim mentality. There's been a lot of posters in this topic advocating for e-bikes for commuters, exercise, rehabilitation, touring.
You're reading what you want to read.
What's more, these topics bleed out from the subforums like "e-bikes" or "recumbents" in the general topics. Where manual input diamond frame bikes dominate the chat. You cannot reasonably expect the outcome to be 100% supportive instead of 80/20 or even 50/50. If that's what you seek, there are entire chat forums and sub-forums for it where the support will be closer to 100%.
Kind of like a bike racer shouldn't jump into a fitness/touring/leisure topic and expect to receive 100% support.
You're reading what you want to read.
What's more, these topics bleed out from the subforums like "e-bikes" or "recumbents" in the general topics. Where manual input diamond frame bikes dominate the chat. You cannot reasonably expect the outcome to be 100% supportive instead of 80/20 or even 50/50. If that's what you seek, there are entire chat forums and sub-forums for it where the support will be closer to 100%.
Kind of like a bike racer shouldn't jump into a fitness/touring/leisure topic and expect to receive 100% support.
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09-29-22, 12:20 PM
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Do you hit them when you encounter the hard of hearing or do you take the grass?
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Originally Posted by prj71
I have not encountered that situation. I yell, people move over. Pretty simple.
09-29-22, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Thats super obnoxious, youd ask someone to change how they are riding and move over? Wow
Ever get stuck behind slow moving riders taking up both sides of a path? They get two polite requests then the very loud demanding one. I've been a singer in a couple of punk bands, my loud is really loud.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Ever get stuck behind slow moving riders taking up both sides of a path? They get two polite requests then the very loud demanding one. I've been a singer in a couple of punk bands, my loud is really loud.
I once gave 3 loud warnings to a jogger wearing earphones. No response. Finally passed her. Scared to hell out of her. She told me I should give a warning. I told her I gave 3 loud ones and that the problem must be the volume of her music.
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If people don’t move, I hit them with a cattle prod or stun gun. Depends on what I feel like carrying. (Kidding). I would hit Larry with a stun gun because I care.
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09-30-22, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Thats super obnoxious, youd ask someone to change how they are riding and move over? Wow
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09-30-22, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rsbob
If people don’t move, I hit them with a cattle prod or stun gun. Depends on what I feel like carrying. (Kidding). I would hit Larry with a stun gun because I care.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
IKR. My voice goes up to 11.
I once gave 3 loud warnings to a jogger wearing earphones. No response. Finally passed her. Scared to hell out of her. She told me I should give a warning. I told her I gave 3 loud ones and that the problem must be the volume of her music.
I once gave 3 loud warnings to a jogger wearing earphones. No response. Finally passed her. Scared to hell out of her. She told me I should give a warning. I told her I gave 3 loud ones and that the problem must be the volume of her music.
I've had that experience--"I said it 3 times, loudly, you obviously can't hear through those". "oh, yeah, sorry". People really forget they can't hear.
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Originally Posted by prj71
This isn't that complicated. If someone is in front of me on a MUP and walking, jogging or riding their bike slower then me I just yell "on your left!!" and they always move over to the right. Works out for everyone and avoids a crash.
There's the occasional odd case where it's just easier to say on your right--like when someone's riding on the wrong side with their little kid on training wheels. With pedestrians, it's often easier to do the right pass because their dog is on the left side sniffing or something.
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Originally Posted by prj71
I just yell "On Your Left" and pass people on roads and MUPS.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
I prefer to use a bell, it has never failed me yet. I can't stand cyclists who shout and yell on your left.
I hate bells. I find them difficult to locate because their volumes vary too much and the tone is too short to triangulate, We're even.
BTW, I've seen plenty of times when people don't know how to respond to a bell.
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Lady comes to the local neighborhood bar and she has an e-bike . I compliment her on it and take a close look. The hubs , spokes , and tires look like s motorcycle. I guess it was 1 less car on the road that's a good thing. I think commuting with them is ok. I just wonder how bikes and electric motor-bikes will share space on bike routes or on bike trails/gravel etc.
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider
was out riding Sunday when guy came up on an e-bike and asked "you ever thought about putting a motor on your bike"? When I said no, he said "you should, it's a lot more fun". Then he rode off
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