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Old 09-15-22, 08:17 AM
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[QUOTE=livedarklions;22647810]
Originally Posted by mtnbud

IMO: That's total bs. I do a fair amount of driving, I've never been unreasonably inconvenienced by a cyclist. I do deliberately "get in the way" of a driver behind me when they're likely to take a right turn into me if they don't know I'm there, but that's actually the legally prescribed safety measure in my state. Only snowflake drivers with a false sense of entitlement don't understand that.

I've tried the stay to the right of a right turn lane method and I got hit by a car. I don't intend to repeat the experience. I don't care if that is where the bike lane is, the guy who painted it in the wrong place isn't the one who's going to suffer if I get hit.

ETA: I really totally object to the assumption that hostile drivers are reacting to something someone did to them sometime in the past. It's a total bs alibi for really crappy behavior on their part. There's absolutely nothing you or I can do to get them to stop with this "get off my road" attitude.
Had the same experience, not hit, but close enough. Alive and "in the wrong" is better than dead and "in the right". I'd rather not be "in the right" by riding in a bad situation. Not going to get into the scenarios, but they exist plenty. I generally try to avoid the areas I've memorized having these "issues" to the penalty of more turns or elevation.

Also, having to explain the "own the lane" for 20 seconds so someone doesn't hit you to pass you with oncoming traffic to some bike riders or car folks gets really really really old. It's better to be alive and "do the wrong thing" to hog the lane for those 20 seconds and hold up the car behind you than to give them that "fake space" by riding far right then they hit you as they pass because the maths of the lane width car width and oncoming car do not equate to you living thru the experience. Mind you as soon as the situation is over, I get the F over so the person can go. Usually that gives them the "clue" that what I did was useful. So I don't just randomly sit there afterwards.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Connecticut: (https://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/c...htm#sec_14-286)
Sec. 14-286b. (Emphasis added)
Operation of bicycles, electric bicycles and electric foot scooters on roadways. Prohibitions re attaching to moving vehicle. Penalty. (a) Any person operating a bicycle, an electric bicycle or an electric foot scooter upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic shall ride as close to the right side of the roadway as is safe, as judged by such person, except when:

(1) Overtaking or passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction;

(2) Preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway;

(3) Reasonably necessary to avoid conditions, including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards or lanes that are too narrow for a bicycle, an electric bicycle or an electric foot scooter and a motor vehicle to travel safely side by side within such lanes;

(4) Approaching an intersection where right turns are permitted and there is a dedicated right turn lane, in which case a person operating a bicycle, an electric bicycle or an electric foot scooter may ride on the left-hand side of such dedicated lane, even if such person does not intend to turn right;


Decent codification ......

NH law isn't phrased as well as (4), it just says that the FRAP doesn't apply in any lane in which a right turn is possible. I like the CT law, that's a really good description of how I deal with turn lanes. Generally, that lets cars pass me to my left and my right which, if the driver doesn't freak out because they don't get that, drivers actually appreciate. I've even had a couple tell me so as they passed me.

Generally, that is a pretty good statute, more explicit than "as practicable" that the cyclist needs to judge the conditions.
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Old 09-15-22, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mcours2006
Some bike lanes up where I live have barrier posts separating them. The bike lanes end up collecting all the road debris from the cars and trucks. They do not get cleaned, so after a while it's like riding through a dump. I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea. I sometimes brave the busy road with three lanes of through traffic.
Yup. I hate protected lanes mostly for this reason. The only lanes I hate more are the ones with floating parking.
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Originally Posted by jgwilliams
As others have said, it depends. When there's a good lane I use it. Some of them are a joke.

I once had someone tell me that I shouldn't be riding in the road as there was a cycle lane, which is not the case in the UK. The thing that made this incident remarkable was that this guy was driving a minibus. I would have hoped that drivers of public service vehicles would know better. Of course, you don't need a PSV license to drive a private minibus, but you still expect slightly more of them than Mr. Joe Public.
I once had a woman yell at my wife and I riding our tandem racing bike to “Get on the sidewalk!”. I yelled back, “because it’s illegal”.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Yup. I hate protected lanes mostly for this reason. The only lanes I hate more are the ones with floating parking.
Floating parking I guess is bike lane, parking and then street? That is becoming common now. In Alameda, Ca, they have that along the beach. Not unusual to have a van pull up and unload a pile into the lane before going to the water. It solves some problems but creates others.
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Originally Posted by mtnbud
I did not post this. Your post indicates it came from me...
The quoting seems to be glitchy right now. I just had to edit burnthesheep out of the attribution for the above quote just now.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
I once had a woman yell at my wife and I riding our tandem racing bike to “Get on the sidewalk!”. I yelled back, “because it’s illegal”.

I can top that even though I wasn't on a tandem. Not only was it illegal where the guy yelled it to me, there also wasn't a sidewalk to ride on.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
The quoting seems to be glitchy right now. I just had to edit burnthesheep out of the attribution for the above quote just now.
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I use a lot of (other-than-single-digit) hand signals to let cars know that I know they are there and that I am paying attention. if I am coming to a blind curve and take the lane, I will signal "slow" and maybe even move further left if I see a car coming so the car behind figures out that I am looking ahead .... and when I pull to the side to allow a pass, I make a windmill with my arm, saying "Pass me now, please." Since I often ride the same roads it is not impossible that I will meet the same drivers ... but in any case, communication changes me from "that idiot on a bicycle blocking my way" to ....

"that idiot on a bicycle blocking my way and waving his arms like an idiot."
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I don’t live in a city.
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^ Those are all bike lanes.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
^ Those are all bike lanes.
please come tell that to the 16wheelers that occasionally roll thru, unloaded of course, to meet 'bike lane' weight limits.
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Originally Posted by curbtender
Floating parking I guess is bike lane, parking and then street? That is becoming common now. In Alameda, Ca, they have that along the beach. Not unusual to have a van pull up and unload a pile into the lane before going to the water. It solves some problems but creates others.
Yes. I hate them because they tend to be rather narrow, they are shoehorned into the space by using the gutter pan and a bit of pavement for a narrower lane. The gutter/pavement junction is a common place for potholes to develop which narrows the lane even more. Additionally, it’s possible to mask the rider from moving traffic making the rider invisible to motorist turning across the lane. Further, left turns can’t be made from the lane…there are cars in the way…so riders have to do “pedestrian turns”, i.e. cross the intersection, wait for the light, and then cross the intersection again. If you get out of the lane to make a proper left turn, motorists will remind you that you “shouldn’t” be there.

Finally, where it snows, those lanes don’t get cleared or the businesses shovel their snow into the lane. Motorists will still remind you that you should be in the bike lane…even if it is inpassable.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I can top that even though I wasn't on a tandem. Not only was it illegal where the guy yelled it to me, there also wasn't a sidewalk to ride on.
don't you know you're supposed to carry along the materials to construct one on the fly?
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It's going to depend on the situation and circumstances whether I feel it bad or good to use a paralleling bike lane. All sorts of things will come into play as well as the type of other traffic, amount of traffic and even time of day along with many more considerations.

Your bike path is probably different than mine. So I'd never make a blanket statement for all. There are short sections of access to the main trails that I refuse to ride because when encountering walking traffic, I feel them more unsafe as I would have to slow way down or even stop. One comes out of my own neighborhood.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
i can top that even though i wasn't on a tandem. Not only was it illegal where the guy yelled it to me, there also wasn't a sidewalk to ride on.
lmao!
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If there is a MUP there is no way in hell I am going to ride on a main street or arterial. My trike and I weigh approx 240, and car weighs 4000 pounds. They are driven by fools texting on their smart phones!!!!!!!!!!! Get real.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
If there is a MUP there is no way in hell I am going to ride on a main street or arterial. My trike and I weigh approx 240, and car weighs 4000 pounds. They are driven by fools texting on their smart phones!!!!!!!!!!! Get real.

A MUP isn't a bike lane. Totally different question.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Yes. I hate them because they tend to be rather narrow, they are shoehorned into the space by using the gutter pan and a bit of pavement for a narrower lane. The gutter/pavement junction is a common place for potholes to develop which narrows the lane even more. Additionally, it’s possible to mask the rider from moving traffic making the rider invisible to motorist turning across the lane. Further, left turns can’t be made from the lane…there are cars in the way…so riders have to do “pedestrian turns”, i.e. cross the intersection, wait for the light, and then cross the intersection again. If you get out of the lane to make a proper left turn, motorists will remind you that you “shouldn’t” be there.

Finally, where it snows, those lanes don’t get cleared or the businesses shovel their snow into the lane. Motorists will still remind you that you should be in the bike lane…even if it is inpassable.
The local bicycle advocacy group, San Diego Bicycle Coalition, is pushing these damn things and they are, unfortunately, multiplying! In my view, they are the most dangerous place anyone can ride and I avoid them like the plague. They are unsafe at anything more than walking speed so what is the point?
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I don’t live in a city.
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People hanging their clothes on the side of the road. Looks like nice road to bike on. Where is this if u don't mind.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
If there is a MUP there is no way in hell I am going to ride on a main street or arterial. My trike and I weigh approx 240, and car weighs 4000 pounds. They are driven by fools texting on their smart phones!!!!!!!!!!! Get real.
Originally Posted by livedarklions
A MUP isn't a bike lane. Totally different question.
Get those clouds off my lawn!!!
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
I use a lot of (other-than-single-digit) hand signals to let cars know that I know they are there and that I am paying attention. if I am coming to a blind curve and take the lane, I will signal "slow" and maybe even move further left if I see a car coming so the car behind figures out that I am looking ahead .... and when I pull to the side to allow a pass, I make a windmill with my arm, saying "Pass me now, please."
I'll pull to the right after a blind curve, but I never wave the motorist to pass. It's up to the overtaking vehicle to decide if it's safe to pass or not.

If it's an uphill curve, I'll get over as far as I can, do a track stand and look back at the motorist. They almost always pass at that point, but if they won't pass, I get going again.

Edit: The "here's why you don't wave motorists to pass" scenario

1. You're climbing a twisty mountain road
2. A vehicle catches you and starts following
3. You round a blind curve and see that IN YOUR OPINION it's safe to pass
4. You wave the motorist to pass
5. The motorist passes, gets a view of the road beyond the blind curve, thinks that it's NOT SAFE TO PASS
6. Motorist does something unsafe, like swerving into you.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I'll pull to the right after a blind curve, but I never wave the motorist to pass. It's up to the overtaking vehicle to decide if it's safe to pass or not.
Too many times I have had a vehicle folow right behind me, unwilling to pass, while six or seven more cars lien up ... experience has shown me that it is not good to hold up a line of cars ... the last idiot in line will see no obstacle ahead, pull into the oncoming traffic lane, and pass them all---and pull back into the lane, right on top of me .... assuming no cars are coming during all that.

I assume all of us are alive and I assume all of us have plenty of experience dealing with traffic, so I am okay if we do it different ways .... so long as a car doesn't hit me I am pretty much fine if it hits you ..... I mean, if you avoid incidents in a different manner.
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