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Old 10-01-22, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Yeah, just poking fun at the semantics.
But I barely achieved a GED. Or something ending with a D. All I can remember is that it was very time consuming and painful. Maybe REEMED!
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Old 10-01-22, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mschwett
if you are not able, for whatever reason, to turn your head far enough to ascertain that that's nobody behind you, then you're at fault for blasting something gross into that space.

if you can ascertain that it's clear, snot away.

so i agree with several previous posters, ESH.
Ok, so I get this point and agree with it more than the ďnever snot rocketĒ crowd, but do you not think a cyclist who drafts unannounced bears some responsibility?

I believe I missed him because he was so close and had probably drifted into my 7 or 8 when I looked over my right shoulder. I was not expecting somebody to be where he was and itís seemingly poor etiquette to draft strangers without saying so.

Or are you saying youíd check 360 of your position before letting fly just in case someone has latched onto your wheel?
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If I am riding by myself, with no expectation of anyone around me, I am going to air blow away. If someone gets on my wheel unannounced, then they will get the full experience of riding behind me when I think I am alone. Their problem, not mine.
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Old 10-01-22, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cramic
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Or are you saying youíd check 360 of your position before letting fly just in case someone has latched onto your wheel?
yes, thereís no way i would launch a snot rocket not knowing if someone was behind me. but i also canít imagine not knowing someone was on my wheel! itís not like bikes are totally silent, and i look around while riding. different styles i guess.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Reminds me of a time when I had a spontaneous nose bleed just before a mile long 8% climb
...and you really expect us to believe that someone did not punch you in the face?
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Old 10-02-22, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mschwett
yes, thereís no way i would launch a snot rocket not knowing if someone was behind me. but i also canít imagine not knowing someone was on my wheel! itís not like bikes are totally silent, and i look around while riding. different styles i guess.
It does happen precisely because your bike is not silent either. If the bikes are so close together, it's very hard to sort out the competing sounds of the two bikes.

Anyone who wheel sucks assuming the person ahead knows that they're there is a fool.

And it is an unusual enough occurrence that only in 20/20 hindsight could someone be blamed for not checking for the possibility before blowing their nose.

I have discovered that someone was drafting me when their bike hit a bump I somehow missed. I had no idea how long the person was there.
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Originally Posted by woodway
If I am riding by myself, with no expectation of anyone around me, I am going to air blow away. If someone gets on my wheel unannounced, then they will get the full experience of riding behind me when I think I am alone. Their problem, not mine.

What I really find annoying about the "you should've known" bit is that the person behind me is putting me at risk if I have to stop suddenly. They're knowingly taking that risk, but I've been involuntarily recruited. An unintended face full of snot seems quite a fair consequence for not announcing their presence.
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Old 10-02-22, 06:25 AM
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Is there any other walk of life that people would be so understanding of another person following an inch or two behind them?

Imagine someone walking an inch behind you for ten minutes? Or whilst jogging/running? And as speeds increase, so does the risk. Anyone drive behind a car so close?

I wouldnít knowingly blow a bogey on them, but it does seem theyíre the ones acting poorly. I know if I were to do it I wouldnít expect them to know I was there if I didnít announce myself and would risk the consequences.

And sometimes I hear another bike, if braking or gear changing, but bikes arenít exactly known for their loudness. (Hence the need to ring a bell when passing.) Most of the time thereís significant wind noise as well.
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I'm definitely in the "natural consequences" camp. Of course, spitting and snot rockets can be done in a way that the products just go down, not back. But that's for when you know you are in a group.

If it's so easy to figure out if someone is behind you, racers wouldn't check between their legs to look for a wheel. This assumes racing distances. But if someone is 2 meters back, they aren't really sucking your wheel.

One time I passed someone on a climb (when was the last time that happened?) and then started fiddling with my shoe so they re-passed me. It took me a while to catch them again and just before I got to them they let loose with a big ball of spit. Fortunately it missed, but they were really embarrassed. That much spit is something to be proud of.
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I could be wrong but there has been more than one occasion when I blew a snot rocket on the road while riding, versus when I've used my handkerchief to blow into. Seems like soon after blowing the rocket, I picked up speed vs putting my handkerchief back in the frame bag. Could the difference in weight really be that much to make me faster?..... Sorry if I hyjacked yer thread.....
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Originally Posted by 308jerry
I could be wrong but there has been more than one occasion when I blew a snot rocket on the road while riding, versus when I've used my handkerchief to blow into. Seems like soon after blowing the rocket, I picked up speed vs putting my handkerchief back in the frame bag. Could the difference in weight really be that much to make me faster?.
No.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
No.
Maybe it was after the second snot rocket..... Lol
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Around where I grew up, this was called the farmers nose blow. When I used to compete in road races, it was common and needed to blow your nose or spit. It can be done easily by aiming downward.

What this thread reminded me of it how often biking is a group activity and the late Jim Croce.
"You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim"
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Old 10-02-22, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 308jerry
Maybe it was after the second snot rocket..... Lol
My serious answer would be that you slowed more while getting the handkerchief and putting it back than you did just blowing your nose, thus you had to expend more energy to accelerate after the fact in the handkerchief scenario. I suppose you could be throwing out lead loogies, but it's really hard to believe they weigh enough to notice.
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Originally Posted by 308jerry
I could be wrong but there has been more than one occasion when I blew a snot rocket on the road while riding, versus when I've used my handkerchief to blow into. Seems like soon after blowing the rocket, I picked up speed vs putting my handkerchief back in the frame bag. Could the difference in weight really be that much to make me faster?..... Sorry if I hyjacked yer thread.....
We need to know your snot velocity to answer your question. (I think Garmin has a data field for this.)
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
We need to know your snot velocity to answer your question. (I think Garmin has a data field for this.)
They do, but you need to be using their nose sensor.
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It occurs to me, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, the rider behind you probably assumed that you saw him when you turned to look, and that you snotted because you saw him there.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
We need to know your snot velocity to answer your question. (I think Garmin has a data field for this.)
I believe it's close to terminal velocity or the the speed of sound.... Or am I thinking speed of light?
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Originally Posted by rsbob
But I barely achieved a GED. Or something ending with a D. All I can remember is that it was very time consuming and painful. Maybe REEMED!
Oh, a PhD!

Originally Posted by UnCruel
It occurs to me, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, the rider behind you probably assumed that you saw him when you turned to look, and that you snotted because you saw him there.
Totally possible, but I wouldn't worry about silly assumptions made by someone rude enough to put me as risk.

Originally Posted by mschwett
if you are not able, for whatever reason, to turn your head far enough to ascertain that that's nobody behind you, then you're at fault for blasting something gross into that space.
Spoken like somebody who hasn't aged enough to have limited mobility in their neck. Lucky for me, I simply don't blow snot rockets, but those who find it necessary to do so and continue riding into their 70's and 80's may not be able to abide by your rule here.
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i worked for a small little factory 40 years ago. The owner used to walk through the floor and wherever he wanted he would do a walk and blow. He didn't care who was around. I took it as him telling us we were dirt bags as he did treat us as such.
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[QUOTE=urbanknight;22666309][QUOTE=rsbob;22665893]
Originally Posted by urbanknight
Oh, a PhD!


Totally possible, but I wouldn't worry about silly assumptions made by someone rude enough to put me as risk.


Spoken like somebody who hasn't aged enough to have limited mobility in their neck. Lucky for me, I simply don't blow snot rockets, but those who find it necessary to do so and continue riding into their 70's and 80's may not be able to abide by your rule here.

Please fix your quotes. I didn't say that.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Please fix your quotes. I didn't say that.
Wow, that's some kind of weird glitch. Fixed it now.
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Originally Posted by coffeesnob
i worked for a small little factory 40 years ago. The owner used to walk through the floor and wherever he wanted he would do a walk and blow. He didn't care who was around. I took it as him telling us we were dirt bags as he did treat us as such.
I've got one even more disgusting than that... my wife's grandfather (old farmer) used to blow his snot rockets on the kitchen floor.
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