Why do people say what they do?
10-05-22, 07:03 AM
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The audacity of calling someone a Karen for using proper cycling etiquette...
10-05-22, 07:06 AM
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"good day for it!" that one kills me.
10-05-22, 07:48 AM
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I was riding on a MUP with signs every few miles asking you to give a vocal or bell warning when passing. I rang my bell as I passed someone, startled her, and she started cussing me out for ringing a bell. I assumed she was new and shrugged it off.
I appreciate the "bike up" warning from a group leader and wish I heard it more often. Once last year I was run off a MUP by a clueless follower riding abreast in the oncoming lane.
At least weekly someone tells me they don't understand why I take such a risk riding a bike. Yet many of them drive a freeway almost every day. That scares the hell out of me. (And so many of them are slugs that can barely walk any more. I see that and I don't want to risk not riding a bike.)
I appreciate the "bike up" warning from a group leader and wish I heard it more often. Once last year I was run off a MUP by a clueless follower riding abreast in the oncoming lane.
At least weekly someone tells me they don't understand why I take such a risk riding a bike. Yet many of them drive a freeway almost every day. That scares the hell out of me. (And so many of them are slugs that can barely walk any more. I see that and I don't want to risk not riding a bike.)
10-05-22, 08:00 AM
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You've been riding for 51 years and never heard of this??? Have you never ridden in a group that understands safety and proper bike etiquette???
Proper safety protocol when riding in a group is to warn about hazards and also to warn fellow riders in the group to be aware of their surroundings. Yelling bike up, as some have already pointed out, is to let fellow riders to either not swerve into your path or to let other riders to behind the leader to single up should they be doubled or tripled. This is no different than yelling car up or car back when group riding. Yelling bike up wasn't directed at you just as yelling and pointing to warn about a branch or other debris isn't yelling at the hazard, it's a warning to fellow cyclists. As for the line in the middle, often on bike paths cyclists may ride near the line and even cross it if it's not too crowded.
Ultimately, whining about something you should have known after 51 years is ridiculous, (unfortunately there's no agreed upon name for a male-Karen), and "the head Karen", doing what was absolutely proper, might have saved YOU from an accident.
Proper safety protocol when riding in a group is to warn about hazards and also to warn fellow riders in the group to be aware of their surroundings. Yelling bike up, as some have already pointed out, is to let fellow riders to either not swerve into your path or to let other riders to behind the leader to single up should they be doubled or tripled. This is no different than yelling car up or car back when group riding. Yelling bike up wasn't directed at you just as yelling and pointing to warn about a branch or other debris isn't yelling at the hazard, it's a warning to fellow cyclists. As for the line in the middle, often on bike paths cyclists may ride near the line and even cross it if it's not too crowded.
Ultimately, whining about something you should have known after 51 years is ridiculous, (unfortunately there's no agreed upon name for a male-Karen), and "the head Karen", doing what was absolutely proper, might have saved YOU from an accident.
Perhaps the best way to understand why people say what they say is to pause after saying something and ask yourself, "why did i say that?" If the answer is that you are always logical and reasonable, have no cognitive biases, and empathize with everyone, then you are very unusual or more likely incorrect.
10-05-22, 08:03 AM
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Out in the sticks where I used to live, a female told a homeowner, a friend of mine, to get the gravel off the country road in front of his house because there was going to be a bicycle race the next day. He told her she could use his shovel.
10-05-22, 08:08 AM
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Shortly before my unsupported X-country+ trip my mom said to me: "I don't know why you want to torture yourself like that."
10-05-22, 08:17 AM
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I got a few "Great day for a ride!" comments during last month's tour. I don't really mind them. I try to always be nice to locals in the communities I travel through. Even when I am tired and/or hungry I politely respond to questions about my trip, even if for seemingly the 100th time.
The man in this photo asked me about my trip and me slowly moseyed on by in Wise River, MT. I gave him the executive summary. He doffed his hat and responded, "Sounds like a plan!"
The man in this photo asked me about my trip and me slowly moseyed on by in Wise River, MT. I gave him the executive summary. He doffed his hat and responded, "Sounds like a plan!"
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10-05-22, 08:27 AM
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On our trails I’m afraid most cyclists don’t follow the rules and give a signal, and it’s quite common for pedestrians to voice their thanks when I do give them notice from a distance and a vocal warning as I’m about to pass.
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10-05-22, 08:35 AM
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No.
I don't normally participate in organized rides.
Also, your question mark key appears to require some maintenance.
If the scenario in reality had played out in a way even remotely similar to what you concoct in your imagination, then possibly.
The irrelevant reality was far different, and far less dramatic (slow riders going single file, I was going slowy, no one was even remotely in danger).
**********???
Have you never ridden in a group that understands safety and proper bike etiquette???
I don't normally participate in organized rides.
Also, your question mark key appears to require some maintenance.
Proper safety protocol blah blah blah.... might have saved YOU from an accident.
The irrelevant reality was far different, and far less dramatic (slow riders going single file, I was going slowy, no one was even remotely in danger).
**********???
10-05-22, 08:57 AM
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You all need to chill out with this brutish "bike up" nonsense.
In my group rides we politely say to each other in dulcet tones "say chap, it looks like there's another cyclist on the trail coming towards us so please be kind and be sure to stay well to the right so as to not disturb them nor cause a potential conflict amongst fellow riders".
In my group rides we politely say to each other in dulcet tones "say chap, it looks like there's another cyclist on the trail coming towards us so please be kind and be sure to stay well to the right so as to not disturb them nor cause a potential conflict amongst fellow riders".
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10-05-22, 09:02 AM
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10-05-22, 09:16 AM
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No.
I don't normally participate in organized rides.
Also, your question mark key appears to require some maintenance.
If the scenario in reality had played out in a way even remotely similar to what you concoct in your imagination, then possibly.
The irrelevant reality was far different, and far less dramatic (slow riders going single file, I was going slowy, no one was even remotely in danger).
**********???
I don't normally participate in organized rides.
Also, your question mark key appears to require some maintenance.
If the scenario in reality had played out in a way even remotely similar to what you concoct in your imagination, then possibly.
The irrelevant reality was far different, and far less dramatic (slow riders going single file, I was going slowy, no one was even remotely in danger).
**********???
10-05-22, 09:18 AM
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True story: A couple of years ago I decided, what the heck I'll ride a recumbent today. Well into my ride, a motorist who had disembarked from the Cape May/Lewes Ferry yelled "Get a real bike!" Even though I knew he didn't know that I own and ride several "real bikes" I was deeply hurt.
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10-05-22, 09:42 AM
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True story: A couple of years ago I decided, what the heck I'll ride a recumbent today. Well into my ride, a motorist who had disembarked from the Cape May/Lewes Ferry yelled "Get a real bike!" Even though I knew he didn't know that I own and ride several "real bikes" I was deeply hurt.
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10-05-22, 09:49 AM
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Sounds a lot like some people here on Bike Forums: "Do it like I do, or you're doing it wrong." Just flip 'em off and keep riding.
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10-05-22, 09:52 AM
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"Tree down up!" is perhaps my favorite road warning yell. Of course everyone behind knew exactly what I meant.
I have never yelled "Tree down up". When there's a tree down blocking the road/path, I yell "STOP" or "STOPPING".
Perhaps the best way to understand why people say what they say is to pause after saying something and ask yourself, "why did i say that?" If the answer is that you are always logical and reasonable, have no cognitive biases, and empathize with everyone, then you are very unusual or more likely incorrect.
I never claim to be perfect; I just don't think defending someone for doing the proper thing makes me or anyone else, "always logical and reasonable, have(ing) no cognitive biases, and empathiz(ing) with everyone".
I have never yelled "Tree down up". When there's a tree down blocking the road/path, I yell "STOP" or "STOPPING".
Perhaps the best way to understand why people say what they say is to pause after saying something and ask yourself, "why did i say that?" If the answer is that you are always logical and reasonable, have no cognitive biases, and empathize with everyone, then you are very unusual or more likely incorrect.
I never claim to be perfect; I just don't think defending someone for doing the proper thing makes me or anyone else, "always logical and reasonable, have(ing) no cognitive biases, and empathiz(ing) with everyone".
10-05-22, 09:59 AM
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10-05-22, 10:21 AM
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No.
I don't normally participate in organized rides.
I can understand why.
Also, your question mark key appears to require some maintenance.
I'll get a question mark maintenance guy on it right away.
If the scenario in reality had played out in a way even remotely similar to what you concoct in your imagination, then possibly.
The irrelevant reality was far different, and far less dramatic (slow riders going single file, I was going slowy, no one was even remotely in danger).
Reality is never irrelevant. Have you never seen a slow rider accident? (I'm pretty sure you'll say no.) Even slow riders can swerve out of line unexpectedly.
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Bottom line...There are NO circumstances where safety should be discarded. Calling someone a "Karen" for doing the right thing makes you a "Ma-K" as you so wittingly coined the phrase.
As Mark Twain once said, "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
I'm sure you'll respond, but I'm done with this thread lest things get nastier and the Mods get upset. You win. You beat me with experience.
I don't normally participate in organized rides.
I can understand why.
Also, your question mark key appears to require some maintenance.
I'll get a question mark maintenance guy on it right away.
If the scenario in reality had played out in a way even remotely similar to what you concoct in your imagination, then possibly.
The irrelevant reality was far different, and far less dramatic (slow riders going single file, I was going slowy, no one was even remotely in danger).
Reality is never irrelevant. Have you never seen a slow rider accident? (I'm pretty sure you'll say no.) Even slow riders can swerve out of line unexpectedly.
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Bottom line...There are NO circumstances where safety should be discarded. Calling someone a "Karen" for doing the right thing makes you a "Ma-K" as you so wittingly coined the phrase.
As Mark Twain once said, "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
I'm sure you'll respond, but I'm done with this thread lest things get nastier and the Mods get upset. You win. You beat me with experience.
10-05-22, 10:42 AM
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Calling "bike up", "car up", etc, is pretty common. Warns the bikes behind to not pull out, in case anyone back there is thinking of passing. It was not directed at the oncoming bike.
10-05-22, 10:59 AM
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"you ride your bike to work? you're crazy"
10-05-22, 11:19 AM
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Two days ago several junior high school looking kids were running long distance as I passed them and one of them had the shear unmitigated audacity to yell out, “Nice bike”. I yelled back, “Looking strong” and they returned a thumbs up. (Sorry but had to interject a positive in this thread).
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10-05-22, 09:41 PM
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I was climbing a hill in a small southern Indiana town, when I noticed someone was yelling at me. From a distance, I could see a local hanging his head out the window of his pickup yelling something over and over. I kept cranking, he kept yelling. Eventually, I sorted out what he was saying: "git er done, git er done, get er done!" That's Hoosier for "Allez! Allez!, Allez!" I was super stoked.
10-05-22, 11:03 PM
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