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Originally Posted by stephr1
OK. A lot of responses here so let me clarify this a bit.
1. I stated it was overcast, not foggy. I could see ahead and behind at least 200+ yards so clarity was good. So there was no reason to have my headlights on. Apparently the cyclist didn't see a need to either because I saw no flashing lights on his bike, neither front nor back. That to me is a dumb and dangerous move on his part. Despite that, I knew he was there and tried to deal with his presence in as safe a manner as possible under the circumstances. It would have been easy to accelerate and give him wide birth as I sped past him. However, I chose to respect his space and I had hoped he would have respected mine, as well, which he did not.
2. I could also see that the bike lane was clear of debris and he had no reason to be in the middle of the road other than by choice.
3. As I got within a 100 ft. of him, that was the point he moved back into the road ahead of me. I slowed down and hit my horn to remind him I was still there and he kindly (or so I thought that would be his reaction) moved back into his lane and remained there.
4. Once he did that, I passed by under the speed limit (30 MPH) just in case he decided to disrespect my space again.
I ride, as well, and I really dislike it when a car is going over the speed limit, has the room to move towards the middle of the road to give me space and still gets close enough to me in the bike lane that I could clip the side mirror with my elbow.
So, I like all the assumptions people have made here but what gets me is how fast you jumped on my case for respecting the presence of the cyclist and assume I was completely in the wrong, like cyclists don't exhibit dumb and dangerous behavior, because it does happen. And, like others have posted here, cyclists are not immune from making bad choices. This is why drivers get pissed off and take out the next cyclist they encounter. I practice the utmost respect when I'm out riding because I know the potentially unfortunate circumstances if I don't.
So, from my point of view, I did nothing wrong (even the honking) and did everything i could to respect the cyclist's space and remind him I was there. The fact that he wanted to put the blame on me for his inappropriate manner of riding is unacceptable. The next person to come along may not be as respectful and understanding as I am and he could end paying the price for his arrogance. That's on him, not me.
1. I stated it was overcast, not foggy. I could see ahead and behind at least 200+ yards so clarity was good. So there was no reason to have my headlights on. Apparently the cyclist didn't see a need to either because I saw no flashing lights on his bike, neither front nor back. That to me is a dumb and dangerous move on his part. Despite that, I knew he was there and tried to deal with his presence in as safe a manner as possible under the circumstances. It would have been easy to accelerate and give him wide birth as I sped past him. However, I chose to respect his space and I had hoped he would have respected mine, as well, which he did not.
2. I could also see that the bike lane was clear of debris and he had no reason to be in the middle of the road other than by choice.
3. As I got within a 100 ft. of him, that was the point he moved back into the road ahead of me. I slowed down and hit my horn to remind him I was still there and he kindly (or so I thought that would be his reaction) moved back into his lane and remained there.
4. Once he did that, I passed by under the speed limit (30 MPH) just in case he decided to disrespect my space again.
I ride, as well, and I really dislike it when a car is going over the speed limit, has the room to move towards the middle of the road to give me space and still gets close enough to me in the bike lane that I could clip the side mirror with my elbow.
So, I like all the assumptions people have made here but what gets me is how fast you jumped on my case for respecting the presence of the cyclist and assume I was completely in the wrong, like cyclists don't exhibit dumb and dangerous behavior, because it does happen. And, like others have posted here, cyclists are not immune from making bad choices. This is why drivers get pissed off and take out the next cyclist they encounter. I practice the utmost respect when I'm out riding because I know the potentially unfortunate circumstances if I don't.
So, from my point of view, I did nothing wrong (even the honking) and did everything i could to respect the cyclist's space and remind him I was there. The fact that he wanted to put the blame on me for his inappropriate manner of riding is unacceptable. The next person to come along may not be as respectful and understanding as I am and he could end paying the price for his arrogance. That's on him, not me.
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I managed to hold my composure when a well meaning motorist gave me three quick beeps then passed me this morning on a canyon road.
I refrained from flipping him the bird, yelling "Adam Henry!" at the top of my lungs or launching a snot rocket as he passed.
I did score half a bottle of generic vodka in the local dumpster so I drowned my rage in free abandoned libations.
Lord help us as a fallen culture of putzes. See, I got one past the censors.
I refrained from flipping him the bird, yelling "Adam Henry!" at the top of my lungs or launching a snot rocket as he passed.
I did score half a bottle of generic vodka in the local dumpster so I drowned my rage in free abandoned libations.
Lord help us as a fallen culture of putzes. See, I got one past the censors.
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10-09-22, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
As far as I can tell, the rider was just embarrassed at being called out for doing something wrong and wanted something to throw back at you to level the playing field. That being said, I still avoid honking at cyclists unless absolutely necessary to notify them of an immediate danger they are not aware of. This is simply because a honk can startle them and make them involuntarily swerve and/or lose control. In this case, you may not have seen some debris or something the rider was avoiding (probably not, but you never know).
10-09-22, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BobsPoprad
In all seriousness, I don't honk prior to, or while passing a cyclist while driving. Don't want to scare the hell out of someone. But usually I just slow down and drive carefully.
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10-09-22, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CAT7RDR
I managed to hold my composure when a well meaning motorist gave me three quick beeps then passed me this morning on a canyon road.
I refrained from flipping him the bird, yelling "Adam Henry!" at the top of my lungs or launching a snot rocket as he passed.
I did score half a bottle of generic vodka in the local dumpster so I drowned my rage in free abandoned libations.
Lord help us as a fallen culture of putzes. See, I got one past the censors.
I refrained from flipping him the bird, yelling "Adam Henry!" at the top of my lungs or launching a snot rocket as he passed.
I did score half a bottle of generic vodka in the local dumpster so I drowned my rage in free abandoned libations.
Lord help us as a fallen culture of putzes. See, I got one past the censors.
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No need to honk at a cyclist I always hate that and in the past would respond in kind with some choice words or one of my fingers no particular one just anything say in the middle. These days I don't because I am trying to be a slightly less aggressive cyclist in that regard as I don't think it helps me (however not judging anyone else). I sometimes don't ride in bike lanes because they can have all manner of issues.
There is one I sometimes take that is partial and short and right now it is full of fallen nuts or something with a relatively hard round shell so it is like a mini skee ball in the lane and is not fun to ride into plus recently had two cyclists that were riding the opposite way in this clearly marked bike lane and because it is a new one and there are houses and such it has plenty of opportunities for cars to get into. However I didn't need to mention in a thread that incident as annoying as it was it was over quickly and I wasn't harmed and they can go fornicate with themselves (which they may have been on their way to do and that is great, fornication is a lovely thing)
Also sometimes I am going at a rather fast clip and a skinny bike lane gives me less room to ride safely and comfortably at higher speeds.
Also beard color or perceived age doesn't matter either who cares they could be 10 years old or 90 years old or somewhere outside or in-between and there is still no reason to honk at a cyclist to let them know you are coming for them ready to speed past them. Just pass them, the only reason I would honk would be out of anger or maybe if I dropped something which has happened but usually it is because someone is angry at me.
People get so worked up about a few seconds delay while driving yet they then come here to complain about it for minutes or more. Waste your time if you want that is what we are all doing but don't waste that time to whine about having to take some extra time to go around a cyclist (that you felt the need to honk at for some reason) on a cycling forum. Surely you could have spent that time asking about the best chain lube or why certain pedals are better or worse?
Also assume makes an ass out of u and me.
Speaking of wagons, maybe this thread makes sense as Wagon Master General Runciman said "you have to let the effusions out, Sharpe" and this feels like a giant fart. Also speaking of wasting time you should all watch the Sharpe's series it is excellent if you like Napoleonic era war and love dramas focused around a soldier who saves Wellingtons life and rises up from the ranks. It comes from a series of books by Bernard Cromwell and stars Sean Bean as the titular character and is really well done. I think you can find them on the yootubes but I happen to be lucky enough to have the box set.
There is one I sometimes take that is partial and short and right now it is full of fallen nuts or something with a relatively hard round shell so it is like a mini skee ball in the lane and is not fun to ride into plus recently had two cyclists that were riding the opposite way in this clearly marked bike lane and because it is a new one and there are houses and such it has plenty of opportunities for cars to get into. However I didn't need to mention in a thread that incident as annoying as it was it was over quickly and I wasn't harmed and they can go fornicate with themselves (which they may have been on their way to do and that is great, fornication is a lovely thing)
Also sometimes I am going at a rather fast clip and a skinny bike lane gives me less room to ride safely and comfortably at higher speeds.
Also beard color or perceived age doesn't matter either who cares they could be 10 years old or 90 years old or somewhere outside or in-between and there is still no reason to honk at a cyclist to let them know you are coming for them ready to speed past them. Just pass them, the only reason I would honk would be out of anger or maybe if I dropped something which has happened but usually it is because someone is angry at me.
People get so worked up about a few seconds delay while driving yet they then come here to complain about it for minutes or more. Waste your time if you want that is what we are all doing but don't waste that time to whine about having to take some extra time to go around a cyclist (that you felt the need to honk at for some reason) on a cycling forum. Surely you could have spent that time asking about the best chain lube or why certain pedals are better or worse?
Also assume makes an ass out of u and me.
Speaking of wagons, maybe this thread makes sense as Wagon Master General Runciman said "you have to let the effusions out, Sharpe" and this feels like a giant fart. Also speaking of wasting time you should all watch the Sharpe's series it is excellent if you like Napoleonic era war and love dramas focused around a soldier who saves Wellingtons life and rises up from the ranks. It comes from a series of books by Bernard Cromwell and stars Sean Bean as the titular character and is really well done. I think you can find them on the yootubes but I happen to be lucky enough to have the box set.
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Originally Posted by stephr1
1. I stated it was overcast, not foggy. I could see ahead and behind at least 200+ yards so clarity was good. So there was no reason to have my headlights on. Apparently the cyclist didn't see a need to either because I saw no flashing lights on his bike, neither front nor back. That to me is a dumb and dangerous move on his part. Despite that, I knew he was there and tried to deal with his presence in as safe a manner as possible under the circumstances. It would have been easy to accelerate and give him wide birth as I sped past him. However, I chose to respect his space and I had hoped he would have respected mine, as well, which he did not.
2. I could also see that the bike lane was clear of debris and he had no reason to be in the middle of the road other than by choice.
3. As I got within a 100 ft. of him, that was the point he moved back into the road ahead of me. I slowed down and hit my horn to remind him I was still there and he kindly (or so I thought that would be his reaction) moved back into his lane and remained there.
4. Once he did that, I passed by under the speed limit (30 MPH) just in case he decided to disrespect my space again.
People are going to spend the rest of this thread teeing off on you. At first, I did not want to join them. Now it just feels right.
Short version: the roadway is not "your space", because you are driving a car in it. If there is something in the bike lane that I deem a hazard, (and there often is), I don't need youir ass second guessing my decision to take the lane. And I really don't need you rationalizing that you did it for my own good.
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No need to honk at a cyclist I always hate that and in the past would respond in kind with some choice words or one of my fingers no particular one just anything say in the middle. These days I don't because I am trying to be a slightly less aggressive cyclist in that regard as I don't think it helps me (however not judging anyone else). I sometimes don't ride in bike lanes because they can have all manner of issues.
There is one I sometimes take that is partial and short and right now it is full of fallen nuts or something with a relatively hard round shell so it is like a mini skee ball in the lane and is not fun to ride into plus recently had two cyclists that were riding the opposite way in this clearly marked bike lane and because it is a new one and there are houses and such it has plenty of opportunities for cars to get into. However I didn't need to mention in a thread that incident as annoying as it was it was over quickly and I wasn't harmed and they can go fornicate with themselves (which they may have been on their way to do and that is great, fornication is a lovely thing)
Also sometimes I am going at a rather fast clip and a skinny bike lane gives me less room to ride safely and comfortably at higher speeds.
Also beard color or perceived age doesn't matter either who cares they could be 10 years old or 90 years old or somewhere outside or in-between and there is still no reason to honk at a cyclist to let them know you are coming for them ready to speed past them. Just pass them, the only reason I would honk would be out of anger or maybe if I dropped something which has happened but usually it is because someone is angry at me.
People get so worked up about a few seconds delay while driving yet they then come here to complain about it for minutes or more. Waste your time if you want that is what we are all doing but don't waste that time to whine about having to take some extra time to go around a cyclist (that you felt the need to honk at for some reason) on a cycling forum. Surely you could have spent that time asking about the best chain lube or why certain pedals are better or worse?
Also assume makes an ass out of u and me.
Speaking of wagons, maybe this thread makes sense as Wagon Master General Runciman said "you have to let the effusions out, Sharpe" and this feels like a giant fart. Also speaking of wasting time you should all watch the Sharpe's series it is excellent if you like Napoleonic era war and love dramas focused around a soldier who saves Wellingtons life and rises up from the ranks. It comes from a series of books by Bernard Cromwell and stars Sean Bean as the titular character and is really well done. I think you can find them on the yootubes but I happen to be lucky enough to have the box set.
There is one I sometimes take that is partial and short and right now it is full of fallen nuts or something with a relatively hard round shell so it is like a mini skee ball in the lane and is not fun to ride into plus recently had two cyclists that were riding the opposite way in this clearly marked bike lane and because it is a new one and there are houses and such it has plenty of opportunities for cars to get into. However I didn't need to mention in a thread that incident as annoying as it was it was over quickly and I wasn't harmed and they can go fornicate with themselves (which they may have been on their way to do and that is great, fornication is a lovely thing)
Also sometimes I am going at a rather fast clip and a skinny bike lane gives me less room to ride safely and comfortably at higher speeds.
Also beard color or perceived age doesn't matter either who cares they could be 10 years old or 90 years old or somewhere outside or in-between and there is still no reason to honk at a cyclist to let them know you are coming for them ready to speed past them. Just pass them, the only reason I would honk would be out of anger or maybe if I dropped something which has happened but usually it is because someone is angry at me.
People get so worked up about a few seconds delay while driving yet they then come here to complain about it for minutes or more. Waste your time if you want that is what we are all doing but don't waste that time to whine about having to take some extra time to go around a cyclist (that you felt the need to honk at for some reason) on a cycling forum. Surely you could have spent that time asking about the best chain lube or why certain pedals are better or worse?
Also assume makes an ass out of u and me.
Speaking of wagons, maybe this thread makes sense as Wagon Master General Runciman said "you have to let the effusions out, Sharpe" and this feels like a giant fart. Also speaking of wasting time you should all watch the Sharpe's series it is excellent if you like Napoleonic era war and love dramas focused around a soldier who saves Wellingtons life and rises up from the ranks. It comes from a series of books by Bernard Cromwell and stars Sean Bean as the titular character and is really well done. I think you can find them on the yootubes but I happen to be lucky enough to have the box set.
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folks will do what they do.
If I hear a honk, my initial thought isn't positive.
If I hear a honk, my initial thought isn't positive.
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...Lawsy me, but you really need to brush up on the vehicle code for bike riding in California, amigo. There is no way on God's green earth that you, in your car, can see the same junk in the bike lane, that I can see from my perch on my bicycle. Broken glass is a favorite one here, and the bike lanes rarely get swept. Not sure how often or how far you ride a bicycle, but even someone who just goes back and forth to the grocery store ought to know this much.
People are going to spend the rest of this thread teeing off on you. At first, I did not want to join them. Now it just feels right.
Short version: the roadway is not "your space", because you are driving a car in it. If there is something in the bike lane that I deem a hazard, (and there often is), I don't need youir ass second guessing my decision to take the lane. And I really don't need you rationalizing that you did it for my own good.
People are going to spend the rest of this thread teeing off on you. At first, I did not want to join them. Now it just feels right.
Short version: the roadway is not "your space", because you are driving a car in it. If there is something in the bike lane that I deem a hazard, (and there often is), I don't need youir ass second guessing my decision to take the lane. And I really don't need you rationalizing that you did it for my own good.
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Originally Posted by stephr1
Impatience wasn't my issue. Like I said, I was respectful and patient to make sure he was over and out of the way and then passed slowly, just in case. I did all I could to make sure the cyclist was safe.
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Originally Posted by stephr1
Yep. Love to instigate controversy but am surprised at how fast the wagons got circled
Originally Posted by stephr1
Hope everyone is doing well. Haven't been here in a while but this morning motivated me to check in, kind of.
10-09-22, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stephr1
Impatience wasn't my issue. It was the fact that this cyclist gave all signs he knew (or should have known) I was there. Like I said, I was respectful and patient to make sure he was over and out of the way and then passed slowly, just in case. I did all I could to make sure the cyclist was safe. Maybe I resent the fact (maybe more disappointed) that he refused to see it that way and decided to blame me for his bad choices in how he rode.
"his bad choices in how he rode" HAHAHAHAHA seriously he could have been avoiding something you didn't see from your car which can be obstructed view as you have a big old vehicle body around you that isn't clear and some smaller glass to see out of and plenty to distract you. He didn't need to see it your way as the bigger vehicle honking at him and deciding because you are in the bigger vehicle you should decide where someone else should ride.
If he was swerving and going into the opposite side of traffic and really truly being as dangerous as a small vehicle like a bike can be then OK. However from your account it just seemed like he was in YOUR way and you didn't care for that and decided you need to let him know and you also knew he shouldn't ride where he was because you had already made the internal determination for him that the bike lane was wholly perfect and safe. Even if you in your own head thought you were noble you honked at a cyclist which in most cases is not a positive thing. You then came to a cycling forum and complained about it.
A rational also cyclist would have said internally or maybe out loud to themselves "do I want to be honked at? NO your right I should just pass them and maybe wave and just go about my day and not worry why they were where they are as they probably had a reason for it good or bad it really didn't effect you that much beyond a few seconds to maybe at max a minute which people spend many more of on this forum which is not a complaint as we all enjoy it to some degree but it is a time waste like many other things we do in life. How many candies has the world crushed or birds angered or n00bs pwned? I know a bunch of pennies can add up over time but who cares enjoy your life, ride a bike more and don't worry so much about another cyclist unless they need you to and please don't honk at them. Honks are angry even if they aren't because nobodies first reaction to a honk is ever really positive when someones comes up from behind.
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Originally Posted by stephr1
And I don't need a cyclist suddenly pulling out in front of me because he's riding too fast to slow down if he sees an obstacle in the road. ...
are you actually licensed to drive in California, or is that part of your trolling persona ?
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Originally Posted by Troul
folks will do what they do.
If I hear a honk, my initial thought isn't positive.
If I hear a honk, my initial thought isn't positive.
A honk from a car behind is unfriendly. Always. It's not "I'm here", it's "I'm here and I'm in a car. Get out of the way." That's not friendly, it's an implied threat. Essentially saying, "if you don't do what I think you should do, I might kill you." When people are threatened with violence, they don't always respond with timidity.
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If someone behind me gives me a toot on the horn I politely wave to acknowledge their presence. If it's an "aggressive" honk..... when they get beside me I respond with my AirZound. 😎
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10-10-22, 05:21 AM
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your point ? again, bashing a cyclist in a bike forum...I dunno ....sheesh
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Originally Posted by stephr1
Hope everyone is doing well. Haven't been here in a while but this morning motivated me to check in, kind of.
I was in my car heading over to the grocery store this morning. I was on one of those streets that wasn't a main street but wasn't really residential. It does get a bit of traffic at times during the day but this morning was fairly quiet.
It was about 7:30AM and, while the sun was up, it was still a little dusky because of the overcast (SF Bay Area in the fall). Some cars had their headlights on, others did not. Some of the street lights were on, others not. I did not have my lights on because it was light enough to see things just fine. I'm driving along said street which is single lane on each side with matching bike lanes. I look ahead and see a guy on a road bike going my direction and he seems to be more in the road than the bike lane. As I closed in on him I beeped (not lay on the horn for 10 secs.) to let him know I was coming so he would make sure to stay in the bike lane (there were no left turns coming up so he had no reason to be in the car lane).
He moved back into the bike lane (he had started to drift back into the main road, so I slowed down and tried not to crowd him). As I went by him, rather than give me a "thanks" wave for letting him know, he yelled at me: "Lights!". I looked at the guy and he was a bit older (because he had a fairly gray beard). I thought "What an a** hole." and drove on. As an after thought, I should have yelled back at him "Stay in the bike lane!" but it was too late.
So, that was my Sunday "encounter-a-jerk" morning and I went on to the store.
It bothered me at the time but the rest of my day has been fine. Sighhhhh......
I was in my car heading over to the grocery store this morning. I was on one of those streets that wasn't a main street but wasn't really residential. It does get a bit of traffic at times during the day but this morning was fairly quiet.
It was about 7:30AM and, while the sun was up, it was still a little dusky because of the overcast (SF Bay Area in the fall). Some cars had their headlights on, others did not. Some of the street lights were on, others not. I did not have my lights on because it was light enough to see things just fine. I'm driving along said street which is single lane on each side with matching bike lanes. I look ahead and see a guy on a road bike going my direction and he seems to be more in the road than the bike lane. As I closed in on him I beeped (not lay on the horn for 10 secs.) to let him know I was coming so he would make sure to stay in the bike lane (there were no left turns coming up so he had no reason to be in the car lane).
He moved back into the bike lane (he had started to drift back into the main road, so I slowed down and tried not to crowd him). As I went by him, rather than give me a "thanks" wave for letting him know, he yelled at me: "Lights!". I looked at the guy and he was a bit older (because he had a fairly gray beard). I thought "What an a** hole." and drove on. As an after thought, I should have yelled back at him "Stay in the bike lane!" but it was too late.
So, that was my Sunday "encounter-a-jerk" morning and I went on to the store.
It bothered me at the time but the rest of my day has been fine. Sighhhhh......
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10-10-22, 08:50 AM
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Too many “ jerks” on the road without their lights on, because they can see fine. Especially impressed with the ones driving white cars while it’s snowing, also grey and silver ones in fog or rain.
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Not all drivers are jerks; some are just letting you know they're back there with a quick toot-toot. Just think of it as a big bicycle bell.
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10-10-22, 09:27 AM
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You get in front of your car and let me beep the horn. It's not something you'll enjoy or think of as a friendly gesture when you are close up.
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