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Old 10-10-22, 09:45 AM
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Never once, when overtaking a slower motor vehicle, has the notion occurred to me that they were occupying "my" space. I bet it's never happened to the OP, either. Funny and sad, then, that you take the person out of a motor vehicle and put them on a bicycle and they're knocked down a peg or five; I guess that the OP, and others like them, respect inanimate objects more than human beings.
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What about shouting “lights” to a driver without their lights on makes someone an a-hole? I consider this a polite way to let someone know their lights aren’t on.
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Originally Posted by stephr1
I was on one of those streets that wasn't a main street but wasn't really residential. It does get a bit of traffic at times during the day but this morning was fairly quiet.

As I closed in on him I beeped (not lay on the horn for 10 secs.) to let him know I was coming ....
I bet most likely he heard you coming long before you honked at him. Unless of course the crashing of the surf on the beach or the moaning of the Fentynal addicts makes too much of a din to hear.
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Originally Posted by stephr1
2. I could also see that the bike lane was clear of debris and he had no reason to be in the middle of the road other than by choice.
No you didn't. That's a lie that inside a vehicle at 30+ mph you could see the exact same debris situation in their bike lane across and over the hood of your passenger side of the car, unless you're driving a British made right hand drive car in the US on the right hand side of the road. So you're lying to bolster your stance.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep
No you didn't. That's a lie that inside a vehicle at 30+ mph you could see the exact same debris situation in their bike lane across and over the hood of your passenger side of the car, unless you're driving a British made right hand drive car in the US on the right hand side of the road. So you're lying to bolster your stance.
You mean you can’t see shards of glass or similar debris in that situation without your headlights on? I thought everyone can.

OP needs to work on his story fabrication.
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Old 10-10-22, 03:08 PM
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OP has a history of whining about other road and trail users.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
OP has a history of whining about other road and trail users.
I remember those. Post like a Pirate Day. That was a good one, if I must say so myself.

He sounds like a one-trick pony.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
You mean you can’t see shards of glass or similar debris in that situation without your headlights on? I thought everyone can.

OP needs to work on his story fabrication.
Yep. My colleaugues in 'creative writing' (re. 'creative non-fiction') would agree. The premise in the op is silly, to put it charitably, absent the existence of some sort of law/regulation in CA/county of San Jose that requires cyclists to ride in a "bike lane" where one is provided.

I particularly enjoyed the notion that the only justification for a cyclist's riding in the "car lane" would be the anticipation of a left-turn.
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Originally Posted by badger1
Yep. My colleaugues in 'creative writing' (re. 'creative non-fiction') would agree. The premise in the op is silly, to put it charitably, absent the existence of some sort of law/regulation in CA/county of San Jose that requires cyclists to ride in a "bike lane" where one is provided.

I particularly enjoyed the notion that the only justification for a cyclist's riding in the "car lane" would be the anticipation of a left-turn.
I think "creative non-fiction" is otherwise known as "Bull****ing." Which is certainly what the OP is doing.
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Old 10-10-22, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stephr1
It was about 7:30AM and, while the sun was up, it was still a little dusky because of the overcast (SF Bay Area in the fall). Some cars had their headlights on, others did not. Some of the street lights were on, others not. I did not have my lights on because it was light enough to see things just fine.
Your lights help others see you .... first sign of selfishness.
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I'm driving along said street which is single lane on each side with matching bike lanes. I look ahead and see a guy on a road bike going my direction and he seems to be more in the road than the bike lane.
As is his right.
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As I closed in on him I beeped (not lay on the horn for 10 secs.) to let him know I was coming so he would make sure to stay in the bike lane
Butthole move, and if you are a cyclist you should know this
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(there were no left turns coming up so he had no reason to be in the car lane).
In Youerr Opinion there was no need for him to ride outside the bike lane. Maybe he had reasons you didn't see (anything from debris to not wanting to get passed by pushy drivers at cvertain points on the road, to whatever.

Originally Posted by stephr1
He moved back into the bike lane (he had started to drift back into the main road, so I slowed down and tried not to crowd him). As I went by him, rather than give me a "thanks" wave for letting him know, he yelled at me: "Lights!".
See above comment about how you drive with your lights on so others can see you. You are a in a car driving in admittedly low-light conditions---This Is Why Cars have Lights. You could have blended into the background---or maybe he heard you coming, and felt that he was riding in a safe and sensible manner, and that if you wanted to pass and could do so safely while allowing him the requisite three feet, you should do so without sounding your horn
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Originally Posted by stephr1
2. I could also see that the bike lane was clear of debris and he had no reason to be in the middle of the road other than by choice.
his choice to make:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...21202.DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

CHAPTER 1. Obedience to and Effect of Traffic Laws [21000 - 21300] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
ARTICLE 4. Operation of Bicycles [21200 - 21213] ( Article 4 added by Stats. 1963, Ch. 479. )
21202.
(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a “substandard width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway of a highway, which highway carries traffic in one direction only and has two or more marked traffic lanes, may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of that roadway as practicable.
(Amended by Stats. 1996, Ch. 674, Sec. 4. Effective January 1, 1997.)


The cyclist determines what is the best distance to ride from the side of the road,. depending on conditions. At no point does it say the cyclist is restricted to the bike lane. And while you claim that you can see over 100 feet ahead on an overcast morning and see any conceivable roadside hazards, we all know you are lying, and if you actually ride a bike, you know it too.
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3. As I got within a 100 ft. of him, that was the point he moved back into the road ahead of me. I slowed down and hit my horn to remind him I was still there and he kindly (or so I thought that would be his reaction) moved back into his lane and remained there.
Do you honk at cars as you plan to pass? If you actually ride a bike you know that cyclists can hear cars well before the cars are close enough to be threats .... he certainly wasn't unaware of you unless you were far enough back that you didn't need to bother warning him. If you were doing around 30 mph, that's about 45 feet per second .... so you both had a couple seconds before you would actually be overtaking.

Originally Posted by stephr1
4. Once he did that, I passed by under the speed limit (30 MPH) just in case he decided to disrespect my space again.
You Do Not have a "Space" which he is obliged to respect. He has a space YOU are obliged to respect. As the overtaking vehicle it is up to You to make the maneuver in a safe fashion. if he wants to ride right down the middle of the lane, he can, and if you cannot pass by using the other lane, you have to wait. it is the Law. Sorry for you.

Funny, I have been driving since I was 16, and even though I was car free for half my adult life, I still had a license and drove from time to time. In the past 20 years I have owned a car and driven regularly, and ridden regularly too. I have never needed to honk at a driver or a cyclist.

Buy then, I am not out looking to "defend my space" from cyclists or anyone else. I am just another road user and we are all trying to get wherever we want or need to be.

How big is the trunk of your car? Can you fit groceries and stuff along with that gigantic sense of entitlement?

(Just kidding, but you don't want to hear anything but praise, and no one can change your mind .... because you didn't come here to discuss. Top me, you are exactly who you claim to be, the entitled guy in the car who thinks he should have control of the road. You are the problem, friend.

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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Never once, when overtaking a slower motor vehicle, has the notion occurred to me that they were occupying "my" space. I bet it's never happened to the OP, either. Funny and sad, then, that you take the person out of a motor vehicle and put them on a bicycle and they're knocked down a peg or five; I guess that the OP, and others like them, respect inanimate objects more than human beings.
Of course you didn't because you recognized the fact that is actually my personal space. Also cars are clearly deserving of more respect than humans, What human has built in AM/FM stereo, 5 CD changer and heated seats? Exactly, humans are clearly inferior!
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These bashing other cyclists threads just don't go well do they?
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These bashing other cyclists threads just don't go well do they?
like Chinese food & chocolate pudding, cocaine & waffles, peanut butter & ladies, not jelly.
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let me guess, your car is silver or champagne colored and driving on an overcast day...tough to pick out on the side view mirrors on the freeway...much less with a quick backwards glance from a cyclist. help us help you.
lights on at all times regardless. can't tell you how many times it has made the difference with driving or cycling. a little safety goes a looong ways. regardless of the color of your chariot, thank you.
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Originally Posted by bboy314
What about shouting “lights” to a driver without their lights on makes someone an a-hole? I consider this a polite way to let someone know their lights aren’t on.
the utterly ludicrous part of this is that shouting "lights" makes you a jerk but HONKING at a cyclist makes you ... a respectful, responsible driver? the mind boggles.
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Basically, as you realize now that there may have been better ways to handle the situation. No need to feel bad about it …. and you do feel bad, your feelings are a little hurt because the cyclist came back at you with venom and in your mind, your intent was in no way venomous.

What we have here is Failure to Communicate.

And you opened the communication by honking. Easy solution, just don’t do that. Think of how the message might be received, not how you might have intended it.

But otherwise …. Vicissitudes of life. Stuff happens. No big deal. You are fine, so is the cyclist. Let it go. Onward, into the fog!
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Originally Posted by ooga-booga
let me guess, your car is silver or champagne colored and driving on an overcast day...tough to pick out on the side view mirrors on the freeway...much less with a quick backwards glance from a cyclist. help us help you.
lights on at all times regardless. can't tell you how many times it has made the difference with driving or cycling. a little safety goes a looong ways.
Ugh - one thing that really bugs me is when people with light colored vehicles - white, silvery, or gray, etc - don't turn on their lights in a light rain, particularly on the freeway; they absolutely disappear in to the tire spray, "....but I don't need my lights on to see anything!"
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Ugh - one thing that really bugs me is when people with light colored vehicles - white, silvery, or gray, etc - don't turn on their lights in a light rain, particularly on the freeway; they absolutely disappear in to the tire spray, "....but I don't need my lights on to see anything!"
I find that a vehicle with poorly aimed lights are problematic. unless squirrel hunting is a popular thing nowadays?
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Originally Posted by Troul
like Chinese food & chocolate pudding, cocaine & waffles, peanut butter & ladies, not jelly.
Wait Cocaine and Waffles isn't a normal thing that goes together...I mean of course it doesn't...hehe,

I actually do really love Chinese food and chocolate pudding but yes together not so good but there is restaurant I have been to that makes a delicious chocolate mousse pie and some very good Chinese food
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Ugh - one thing that really bugs me is when people with light colored vehicles - white, silvery, or gray, etc - don't turn on their lights in a light rain, particularly on the freeway; they absolutely disappear in to the tire spray, "....but I don't need my lights on to see anything!"
Worse, white/grey/silver car in a snow storm when I'm plowing
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I think we need to give the OP the benefit of the doubt. There's a good possibilty that his story never really happened and in fact, is not an 8sshole.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
You came on a cycling forum to bash a cyclist.

This should be fun.
I have no problem criticizing a cyclist if I think it's warranted. I'm not a member of the "Cyclist Team." So, I don't automatically side with someone just because we are both cyclists
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