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Old 10-18-22, 01:24 PM
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Ok, I found The Pro's Closet E-Bay store.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Sporting-Go...=theproscloset

They no longer have the tons and tons of listings they used to have.

Looking at their web page, everything has gotten so very expensive, and not really in my ballpark anymore.

https://www.theproscloset.com

Hmmm... Their REVO hubs look interesting, but dang, the worst photos I've ever seen for bike parts.

And not particularly good descriptions either.

I have to think the company is going through growing pains.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
You sure get in a lot of arguments. And it seems like you're usually arguing some point that others aren't arguing.
It seems you are dense. You are definitely having trouble following the thread.

It's bizarre that anybody thinks that wanting to know the number of employees before (and during and after) COVID is controversial or that it "doesn't matter".

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Originally Posted by njkayaker
It seems you are dense. You are definitely having trouble following the thread.

It's bizarre that anybody thinks that wanting to know the number of employees before (and during and after) COVID is controversial or that it "doesn't matter".
I don't think anyone's saying it's controversial or doesn't matter. I think we're saying it doesn't matter TO US. If it matters to you, feel free to dig in and find out.

Personally, given that TPC seems to have leveraged the COVID bike boom to grow their market share, I think FTEs falling back to 2019 levels would indicate more than a simple "return to normal", but rather a significant contraction of the market as a whole relative to 2019. Given they moved to a facility several times the size of their old one, I suspect that even losing 15% of staff will leave them larger than 2019. I also think the whole thing is very much still in motion. Maybe they'll be stable with 85% of the staff. Maybe that's still too many for the market.

It all serves as a reminder - don't love your job too much, because it won't love you back.
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...here is an interesting piece from a person writing for a bike Magazine, on his impressions of the business.
And here is an even more interesting entry, on how just over a year ago, in May of 2021, some VC firm dropped 40 million bucks into their business.
"We have seen The Pro's Closet's explosive growth over the last several years and are very excited to invest in their expanding business," said Luke Beatty of The Chernin Group. "In The Pro's Closet, we see a revolutionary approach to the bike-buying and selling process, one that is consumer-centric and will be able to help more people access cycling products with greater ease and value than any other option. We're grateful to help their business grow and expand."

Started in 2006 as an eBay store, TPC features Certified Pre-Owned 30-Day No Questions Asked returns and frame warranties. Its inventory features road, mountain, gravel, cyclocross, triathlon, and e-bikes, and sells throughout the U.S. and Canada.
It's not at all unusual to see a company that is just starting out in the world of venture capital expand a little more rapidly than the numbers justify. It's probably more the rule than the exception to it.
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Old 10-18-22, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I don't think anyone's saying it's controversial or doesn't matter. I think we're saying it doesn't matter TO US. If it matters to you, feel free to dig in and find out.
​​​​​​Hell, I wasn't even talking (err, writing) about that argument, and I got accused of being dense and "having trouble following the thread." Some people think that everyone should share their little obsessions.
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Old 10-19-22, 07:26 AM
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I bought a bike from TPC in Feb 2020 and had a great experience. Their prices were reasonable at that time (maybe 10% higher than comparable Craigslist/Pinkbike prices) and they were running a 15% sale at the time. I bought a very high end 2018 bike that had obviously been someone's dream bike build. My bike probably cost whoever built it initially over $15K. I paid less than $5k. That's obviously expensive for a used bikes and I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what I was getting. TPC answered all of my questions immediately, sent me extra pictures and had plenty of patience. I even spoke to one of their mechanics about the bike on the phone. After I ordered, the bike was mailed immediately and came out of the box looking essentially brand new. I love this bike, it's not something you can just walk into a bike shop and buy, it's a work of art. Also, it rides incredibly and fits me perfectly.

So, in pre-pandemic times, I think TPC offered an appealing prospect. They sold high end bikes you were relatively assured would be in good working order, would be shipped quickly and would be as described. They even promised to buy the bike back in the future if it turned out you didn't like it. You paid a ~10% premium for these assurances, which seemed reasonable.

However, during the pandemic all of this went off the rails. The prices on TPC went through the roof. They stopped selling so many unique or desirable bikes for enthusiasts, it seemed like all they had were used stock Specialized bikes (or whatever) at outrageous prices. I understand this was the reality of market at the time but they became an option only for those desperate for a bike.

Their prices have definitely returned to more manageable levels over the past few months, but they are still inflated. Also,their stock has EXPLODED over the past few months as they have begun to buy up all of the panic-bought Covid bikes.

With burgeoning inflation sapping everyone's disposable income and the increasing likelihood of a recession next year, demand is certainly going to continue to fall. Meanwhile all of the backordered 2021 and 2022 bikes will be pouring into the supply chain as manufacturing capacity starts to normalize. TPC is going to end up holding the bag. IMO, they need to drop their prices by a further 20-30% to start reflecting market realities. We'll see.
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10 years ago they were just another ebay seller selling used parts on consignment. I bought from them a number of times back then (small parts, used jerseys, and the like). That's how I still think of them and then I see their articles in my social media advertisements and go their and find high end bikes and am perpetually surprised. And then I forget and do it again.
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Guess I was wrong.

You're all wrong. Contractions are what occur prior to giving birth.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
You sure get in a lot of arguments. And it seems like you're usually arguing some point that others aren't arguing.

He buys straw by the ton.
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TPC = overpriced used bikes. Eff them. I looked at their site numerous times over the years and just laughed at what they were asking for beat up used bikes.

So anyway...A friend of mine owns a bike shop that sells Trek, Specialized, Salsa, Rock Mountain and Cannondale. He told me his floor is full of bikes and his warehouse is full of bikes yet to be put together...But nobody is buying any bikes anymore. He's probably going to have 2022 model year bikes spilling over into 2024 and beyond.

Covid bike boom is gone, lots of Covid bikes now showing up online for sale...TPC has a lot of those used bikes and not selling them...POOF! People get laid off. None of this surprising. QBP just laid off a bunch of employees about a month ago also.

With the inflation from high gas prices, food prices, rent prices etc....there has been a big decline in consumer discretionary spending.
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I have heard that Big Box stores and Chains like Walmart and Target are considering marketing some better quality bikes in the near future. Of course that depends allot on who is going to assemble them. The market is there but it is going to take a real expert to make it profitable. It's about time...

I remember a real nice PUCH Sears 10 speed with a Simplex Group I could not afford in the 60's...
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark

It is interesting that these are new bikes, not used ones. It suggests that Pro's Closet bought up a bunch of stock and failed to unload the inventory before the demand collapsed. They probably had a huge mark-up, so this allows them to sell at what appears to be the original price, rather than slash it by 50% (which could have a negative effect on other sales, as potential buyers hold out for a better deal).
Agree - TPC selling brand new e-bikes seems strange to me. Selling 2 for 1 bikes also seems weird. Who would want two new identical bikes?
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Who would want two new identical bikes?
Couples who want to ride together?

My wife wasn't keeping up with me on rides. She got an e-bike. Now I can't keep up with her. I resisted the temptation ...
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Agree - TPC selling brand new e-bikes seems strange to me. Selling 2 for 1 bikes also seems weird. Who would want two new identical bikes?

I'd order two for the price of one.
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Originally Posted by Troul
I'd order two for the price of one.
The link is live - go for it.
Maybe you can sell the second one. Solicit an offer from TPC, perhaps...
(they do note that Serial-1 doesn't qualify for "buyback guarantee" and that all sales are final on these)


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Originally Posted by msu2001la
The link is live - go for it.
Maybe you can sell the second one. Solicit an offer from TPC, perhaps...
(they do note that Serial-1 doesn't qualify for "buyback guarantee" and that all sales are final on these)


I'd only consider non alloy road-dropbar non E bicycles.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Agree - TPC selling brand new e-bikes seems strange to me. Selling 2 for 1 bikes also seems weird. Who would want two new identical bikes?
Stranded with a flat...You trailer one of them, behind the one you are riding, like this:

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Job destruction is happening. Pro's Closet, Amazon, IBM, Microsoft, Goldman, the financials in general, they're all cutting staff and hunkering down.

We're in a nasty phase of inflation after 30-40 years of printing money. The only tool the Fed has raising interest rates, and the cooling economy will force layoffs.
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Originally Posted by BTinNYC
We're in a nasty phase of inflation after 30-40 years of printing money.
Money supply growth is likely a rather minor factor in current inflation rates.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
Stranded with a flat...You trailer one of them, behind the one you are riding, like this:

That's one way... A more elegant solution would be to completely dismantle the second bike and bring it along in your saddle bags. No matter what breaks during a ride, you'll always have spare parts!
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Originally Posted by Koyote
You sure get in a lot of arguments. And it seems like you're usually arguing some point that others aren't arguing.


ps. something to consider for your holiday wishlist: https://www.etsy.com/listing/836539805/im-your-density-shirt-back-to-the-future

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https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...-round-layoffs

So TPC is scaling back the workforce again, but won't say how many employees are affected this time.

Looks like the initial 15% reduction wasn't enough.

The strategy to not disclose makes me wonder if they're still trying to right the ship and might not be done yet.
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This reminds me of a Simpson's episode about the internet boom/bust of the late 90s. Bart gets a job with an internet startup creating content, getting paid in stock options. Of course is all comes crashing down, and the repo men are there repossessing things like the Foosball table, and one of them says, "Yeah, the bursting of the internet bubble has brought a boom to the Repo business. A boom which will never end!"

The last 2 1/2 years, there have been a million opinions published on What Happens After COVID, looking at all aspects of society, but nobody really knows what the new normal will be.
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Money supply growth is likely a rather minor factor in current inflation rates.
No. It is impossible to have almost everything increase in cost without an increase in money supply.

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Originally Posted by SkinGriz
No. It is impossible to have almost everything increase in cost without an increase in money supply.
Incorrect.

As I wrote, the money supply is partly responsible for the current inflation, but not entirely responsible for it. Probably not even mostly responsible, though we’re still untangling that.

PS: Just for fun, I watched the linked video. Do you realize that it is just a basic explanation of how prices are determined in individual markets? It does not address any macroeconomic concepts – including the money supply and determination of inflation rates. In fact, he never even mentioned the money supply. I’m not sure why you think this is at all relevant..

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