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ralphs 10-19-22 06:29 PM

Pretty sure the AAA benefit is only to move you and your bike (10 miles free), not flat repair. Doesn't include tandems.

urbanknight 10-19-22 06:49 PM

To answer the OP, the more you carry the more mishaps you are prepared for, but stuff happens. Before I went tubeless, I carried 2 tubes, 1 patch kit, 2 CO2 cartridges, and 1 mini pump. The tubes and cartridges were to get me rolling quickly even if I punctured both tires with the same obstruction. The rest was so that I could get myself home if more than 2 flats happened (which did sometimes). I've had pumps fail, tubes fail, and CO2 inflators fail. So, I carry my phone as well.

bikehoco 10-19-22 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Gyro (Post 22684422)
Ahhh, another use I've found handy for my wife and bike rack.

I initially misread, I thought you said another use for your wife’s rack.

3alarmer 10-19-22 07:18 PM

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Chuck M 10-19-22 07:37 PM

Road riding out in the sticks, I carry a tube, patch kit, inflator, frame pump and tire levers. The neighborhood, in town or the MUP on a vintage bike, I don't give a crap. Worst that can happen is I sit and drink coffee until my wife gets there.

CAT7RDR 10-19-22 08:35 PM

If I am going to be on closed roads and rescues will be impossible and phone reception is null, I will carry a spare tire and use SPD pedals/cleats.
There are some mountain roads in SoCal where you have to be prepared for a possible long hike down a mountain.

rsbob 10-19-22 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by CAT7RDR (Post 22685110)
If I am going to be on closed roads and rescues will be impossible and phone reception is null, I will carry a spare tire and use SPD pedals/cleats.
There are some mountain roads in SoCal where you have to be prepared for a possible long hike down a mountain.

and big cats.

Aardwolf 10-20-22 02:04 AM


Originally Posted by urbanknight (Post 22684988)
I posed a question with that idea and didn't get a definitive answer because none of the responders had tried it. How well does that work? I figured if sealant instantly plugs a hole in tubeless tires, would it work for tubulars as well? I love the ride quality of tubulars, and they don't sound like any more of a pain to replace than tubeless.

Seems to work fine.

I put some Vittoria Rubino 28mm on and got a flat after 93 miles: 1.5mm glass shard in front tyre.
Did some research and put some Orange Seal in it, spun the wheel, and put some air in.
A few drops spurted out of the hole, but it sealed after about 2 secs.

I've done about 900 miles since then and haven't had any pressure drops, so either it's working very well
or it's had nothing to do.

urbanknight 10-20-22 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Aardwolf (Post 22685332)
Seems to work fine.

I put some Vittoria Rubino 28mm on and got a flat after 93 miles: 1.5mm glass shard in front tyre.
Did some research and put some Orange Seal in it, spun the wheel, and put some air in.
A few drops spurted out of the hole, but it sealed after about 2 secs.

I've done about 900 miles since then and haven't had any pressure drops, so either it's working very well
or it's had nothing to do.

I didn't know Rubinos came in a tubular version. Wonder if they ride similarly to the old CX and CG I used to race on. I'm kind of committed to tubeless for now with the new wheels, but will keep this in mind in the future.

Aardwolf 10-20-22 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by urbanknight (Post 22685606)
I didn't know Rubinos came in a tubular version. Wonder if they ride similarly to the old CX and CG I used to race on. I'm kind of committed to tubeless for now with the new wheels, but will keep this in mind in the future.

I had a look around about 9 months back and Rubino seems like a decent reasonably priced tyre, I like them anyway.
Definitely better than the Tufo S33 Pro I tried when I first got tubular rims.

Vittoria seem to do Rubino in all configurations: https://www.vittoria.com/ww/en/tyres...res/rubino-pro
And they're fairly cheap in the UK: £35 https://www.merlincycles.com/vittori...0c-140868.html

indyfabz 10-20-22 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by rsbob (Post 22685142)
and big cats.

My cat weighs 20 lbs.

rsbob 10-20-22 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by ralphs (Post 22685001)
Pretty sure the AAA benefit is only to move you and your bike (10 miles free), not flat repair. Doesn't include tandems.

No flat repair?! Will they put on my spare? Where have the service industries gone these days?!

JanMM 10-20-22 11:54 AM

I carry two tubes when I ride but that’s because all 3 bikes I ride (2 singles and a tandem) have 20”/406 F and 26”/559 R wheels. Emergency kit includes a Road Morph pump and self-adhesive patches. Very few flats due to good luck and tires with anti-puncture features. Did suffer a pinch flat with sidewall damage a few months ago - wasn’t paying attention and hit a nasty spot of concrete road surface decay that I knew about in a nearby neighborhood.
Not expecting spouse’s e-assist Trek to flat since putting new tires on it - Schwalbe Marathon e-Plus which seem way over the top.

alcjphil 10-20-22 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by urbanknight (Post 22684988)
I posed a question with that idea and didn't get a definitive answer because none of the responders had tried it. How well does that work? I figured if sealant instantly plugs a hole in tubeless tires, would it work for tubulars as well? I love the ride quality of tubulars, and they don't sound like any more of a pain to replace than tubeless.

For the most part, tubular tires are not tubeless. Tufo does make tubeless tubular tires and with those sealant would work as well as in road tubeless tires.

urbanknight 10-20-22 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by alcjphil (Post 22685852)
For the most part, tubular tires are not tubeless. Tufo does make tubeless tubular tires and with those sealant would work as well as in road tubeless tires.

Yes, which was why I had asked that question before proceeding... because I wasn't sure if sealant would seal up punctures in the (usually latex) tubes very well. That makes sense that the Tufos would seal up more like tubeless, although I never liked the ride quality of those. The Rubinos Aardwolf mentioned don't say which type of tube they use (the description is obviously recycled from their clincher tire, mentioning a folding bead), but I suspect they use butyl at that price point.

raqball 10-20-22 12:47 PM

I run Tubolito X Gravel TPU tubes and while they are thicker than normal TPU tubes they are very flat resistant.. I carry one extra tube in my saddle bag along with a patch kit. I also carry tire levers, one Co2 cartridge and have a small frame pump..

I assume Lyft or Uber (never used either) might pick you up if you put in the notes section (if they have one) that you have a bike that also needs to be transported.. I say if you think you might need their service to contact either company and ask if that's something they'd even do..

alcjphil 10-20-22 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by urbanknight (Post 22685871)
Yes, which was why I had asked that question before proceeding... because I wasn't sure if sealant would seal up punctures in the (usually latex) tubes very well. That makes sense that the Tufos would seal up more like tubeless, although I never liked the ride quality of those. The Rubinos Aardwolf mentioned don't say which type of tube they use (the description is obviously recycled from their clincher tire, mentioning a folding bead), but I suspect they use butyl at that price point.

I get it. The difference between inner tubes sealing and tubeless/tubeless tubular tires sealing well, especially at high road pressures lies in the interface between the layer where the high pressure and ambient air air pressure happens. With a conventional inner tube, you have a very stretchy inner layer that is apart from the tire layer. So, if the inner tube is punctured, sealant has to repair a sketchy hole. If on the other hand, the air impervious layer of the inside of the tire is punctured, the air has to escape though a hole bounded by a very non stretchy hole. I mean, if that hole is big enough all bets are off, but the difference between a stretchy inner tube and a non stretchy tire carcass cannot be ignored

rumrunn6 10-21-22 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by alcjphil (Post 22685852)
For the most part, tubular tires are not tubeless. Tufo does make tubeless tubular tires and with those sealant would work as well as in road tubeless tires.

I have often wondered what it means when a manufacturer states: "tubeless ready"

drlogik 10-21-22 05:03 PM

From my years living in Arizona I still carry two tubes AND a Rema patch kit and a Park self-sticky tire patch in my seat bag. I've not had more than two flats on a ride but I knew plenty of people in AZ that more than two. Two tubes is pretty standard out there. I'm back in North Carolina now but I still carry that kit in my bag.

DonkeyShow 10-21-22 05:25 PM

Chuck bike in woods, come back later with car.

indyfabz 10-21-22 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by DonkeyShow (Post 22687248)
Chuck bike in woods, come back later with car.

Fill in the gap.

zandoval 10-21-22 09:44 PM

- Do you carry more than 1 spare tube? - Carry no tube
- Do you carry a patch kit? - Yes with Vulcanizing Cement and Super Glue
- Will Uber pick up you and the bike? - Yes but, $$$$$$$

MAK 10-23-22 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by ralphs (Post 22685001)
Pretty sure the AAA benefit is only to move you and your bike (10 miles free), not flat repair. Doesn't include tandems.

AAA benefit is not in every state. Yes, it's only transportation and not flat repair. Mileage may vary by state and/or AAA level of coverage you have.

Aardwolf 10-23-22 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by urbanknight (Post 22685871)
Yes, which was why I had asked that question before proceeding... because I wasn't sure if sealant would seal up punctures in the (usually latex) tubes very well. That makes sense that the Tufos would seal up more like tubeless, although I never liked the ride quality of those. The Rubinos Aardwolf mentioned don't say which type of tube they use (the description is obviously recycled from their clincher tire, mentioning a folding bead), but I suspect they use butyl at that price point.

Here's the research I looked at when I picked Orange Seal to put in my tubular tyres:

https://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/...rt_1_4147.html
https://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/...rt_2_4155.html
He tested road clinchers with tubes (both latex and butyl).

It's a good read.

urbanknight 10-23-22 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Aardwolf (Post 22688254)
Here's the research I looked at when I picked Orange Seal to put in my tubular tyres:

https://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/...rt_1_4147.html
https://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/...rt_2_4155.html
He tested road clinchers with tubes (both latex and butyl).

It's a good read.

Wow, that's exactly what I was looking for about a year ago. I'm committed to tubeless for a while now, but I'll keep this in mind for the future. Still enjoy riding tubulars most, and the only thing that kept me from riding them daily was the PIA to fix a flat.


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