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Old 12-05-22, 06:42 PM
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Who says "NordicKs" don't die?

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Old 12-05-22, 06:43 PM
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You can always wear a lycra face covering with a plastic surgical mask shaper beneath it. Koreans always wear buff type scarves on their face while riding and it's a good idea. Keeps insects out of your mouth, but most importantly for me, they keep the sun off your face, so you don't need to have all the sunscreen flow out with your sweat a few kms into your ride. I have a bunch of lycra balaclavas that I wear and I use mask shapers in them, basically a rounded plastic cage that goes over your mouth that is designed to stop surgical masks wetly slapping at your lips with every breath you take. The space created by the mask shaper forms a pocket of warm humid air around your nose and mouth, so dry, cold winter air doesn't really affect you all that much. It's not for everyone and some people are a bit strange about masks, but it keeps your face warm and helps to minimize the effects of subzero air when breathed.
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If it is hotter than 75 degrees F , workout/ride inside.
If it is colder than 65 degrees F, workout/ride inside

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Just one more thing to worry about.
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There's *cold", like those evenings in Southern California when you have to wear a sweater, then there is COLD, like in Hokkaido were the snow is at eye-level, and you get a hard workout just clearing a path to get your bike to the roadway. I don't ride in the latter kind of cold, but am fine with the former. I have already put away my bikes and got out my skis, which I plan to put to good use this winter. When I am not skiing, I will be doing maintenance and adding a few upgrades to my bikes, which will add motivation to get me out and riding once it starts to get warmer.
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Old 12-05-22, 07:05 PM
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Before developing a neuroma, I was an avid cross country skier, always pushing myself as well as doing the black runs downhill skiing. Snow shoeing was always a jog rather than a leisurely walk, since aerobic fitness was always my thing. Usually worked up a good sweat and would overheat doing winter sports. Would even single track MTB in the snow when the conditions were right and would sweat going up the climbs and be chilled when I got to the bottom and then repeat. Never had issues with breathing but was not aware of additional load on the heart due to vasal constriction. It does make sense. Luckily my lungs don’t freeze and hurt like Mrs RSbob, so backing off was not a consideration, but now I may have a convenient excuse to take it easier.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
So it's cold out, do you take an outdoor ride or stay indoors?

Well, if you're looking for excuses to stay cozy and warm indoors, cold weather reportedly can:
  • cause heart attacks
  • damage your lungs
This is from an article by Dr. Mirkin, Exercising in Cold Weather:
  • causes your body to produce adrenalin which constricts your arteries and raises your blood pressure
  • thickens your blood and makes it more likely to clot
  • causes the liver to make more fibrinogen that increases clotting
  • raises cholesterol levels
  • may reduce your body temperature, which weakens your heart muscle
  • may induce exercise-induced asthma
Brought to you by Swift and Peleton. Give the gift of warm riding and longer life these winter holidays.

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Old 12-05-22, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
It appears that some here did not read the article. Specifically, the Tips for Outdoor Exercise in Cold Weather:



And the My Recommendations section:



Seems to be pretty sensible, reasonable, and science-based advice.
People who suffer from heart or lung disease or some genetic disorder affecting their heart should be careful about exercising in any weather and also be careful exercising indoors. Weather is not the problem, the problem is too much intensity, some people push themselves too hard too often.
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Old 12-05-22, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
So it's cold out, do you take an outdoor ride or stay indoors?

Well, if you're looking for excuses to stay cozy and warm indoors, cold weather reportedly can:
  • cause heart attacks
  • damage your lungs
This is from an article by Dr. Mirkin, Exercising in Cold Weather:
  • causes your body to produce adrenalin which constricts your arteries and raises your blood pressure
  • thickens your blood and makes it more likely to clot
  • causes the liver to make more fibrinogen that increases clotting
  • raises cholesterol levels
  • may reduce your body temperature, which weakens your heart muscle
  • may induce exercise-induced asthma
Hmmmm. Body temperature goes up when I winter ride. If cholesterol remains in balance, then no big deal in a temporary rise. Everyone tars LDL but without it we die. Hydration and vitamin C are good before and after any sort of exercise, and both are thinners. Up here it is so cold and dry that it is important to drink extra water at any time. Your heels and the skin on your fingertips near the edge of the nail can split quite a bit. I glue those splits closed with crazy glue when they occur. Works perfectly. The cold is very tough on the skin of the face, that's for sure. I smear coconut oil on first before going out for a cold ride. Exercise strengthens the heart muscle, and cold weakens(?) it? Therefore, no net health gain or loss. Temporary asthma may occur due to constriction of airways in the lungs due to cold. But, it is temporary.
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Originally Posted by gringomojado View Post
If it is colder than 65 degrees F, workout/ride inside

Hawaii, Florida, and Louisiana are the only states in the U.S. where the yearly average temperature is above 65º F.

In the continental United States, the average temperature is 52.7° F.

(https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...mperatures.php)

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Old 12-05-22, 08:12 PM
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Reading the article, the part about elevated risk of heart attacks relates to susceptible individuals, particularly those with heart or lung disease.

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I'd think the author's nickname should be 'Capitan Obvious'. Considering the amount of time I spent during the 1980s - 1990s mountain climbing in sub zero (fahrenheit) weather for 1-3 weeks at a time, week-long backcountry ski trips all over the West Coast USA, day-long (pre-dawn to post-sunset) XC skiing, and +35 years of bike riding in winter temps down to about 40F (occasionally down to 25F), I should be dead by now.

Now we need a complimentary article about the negative health effects riding and exercising in hot weather.
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Old 12-05-22, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
I go to the gym and ride a stationary bike/class or do something else. The gym always has good scenery.
I’ve switched over to mainly running and walking at least for the cold half of the year and perhaps more. Also developing a taste for exercise that doesn’t involve any sitting.

We are fortunate to have a nice indoor track at our rec center so I can do some strength training and a safe, well-lit run regardless of the weather.

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Old 12-05-22, 08:46 PM
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There have been many articles written in the last 2 years about the cardiac dangers of various activities that never used to be a cause for concern. Look at what Gabe Mirkin has written about other public health measures recently, and the context in which this article was written starts to make more sense. This is a trend among the articles attempting to explain away heart problems in otherwise healthy relatively young adults, pay attention to patterns.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Is this like taking advice from Dr. Oz? LOL.

Better tell folks to stop skiing, skating and snowshoeing in the winter!!!
I used to do short runs on snowshoes in heavy New England snow in my racing days. Cardio pulmonary hard? OMG. Every step I had to kick hard to shed the snow on the shoe. I'd run across short fields and be completely blown on the other side.

Does this study track age as a factor to susceptibility? I was in my mid-twenties then.
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
Hawaii, Florida, and Louisiana are the only states in the U.S. where the yearly average temperature is above 65º F.

In the continental United States, the average temperature is 52.7° F.

(https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...mperatures.php)
Unfortunately in north Florida it's often below 65 in the winter. But I do hold to that rule. 50s is fine weather for golf.
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A quote from the article is You feel cold most in your fingers, ears and toes, so be sure to cover these areas.?

Perhaps useful for someone from a hot climate who has never experienced weather below 65F.

and To help keep your hands warm on cold days, wear mittens that do not let wind or water in...

I think it's reasonable to conclude this article is not written for me. I'll pass.

Here's a cold hard truth if you're an American: unless you do something unusual, you'll die in a nursing home where unskilled labor has been changing your diapers and wiping your butt for the last phase of your existence. A cold induced fatal heart attack while cycling sounds like one of the better alternatives to me. Other people may choose to give up the joys of life for one more breath.

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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
So it's cold out, do you take an outdoor ride or stay indoors?

Well, if you're looking for excuses to stay cozy and warm indoors, cold weather reportedly can:
  • cause heart attacks
  • damage your lungs
This is from an article by Dr. Mirkin, Exercising in Cold Weather:
  • causes your body to produce adrenalin which constricts your arteries and raises your blood pressure
  • thickens your blood and makes it more likely to clot
  • causes the liver to make more fibrinogen that increases clotting
  • raises cholesterol levels
  • may reduce your body temperature, which weakens your heart muscle
  • may induce exercise-induced asthma
FWIW, I love exercising in the cold and miss that here since we moved to Tallahassee. We only get a few mornings per year where I can get out when it is in the 20s and not many more where it is in the 30s. I'd be happy to take a lot more cold weather and skip a lot of our rrelentless heat of summer. I can manage to avoid the worst of the heat by getting out at the crack of dawn though.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
The article is absolute nonsense...and BTW we just had a thread about a guy who died on his indoor trainer.

No one believes you actually read the article. Go ahead and debunk one word of it with specificity. Hint: it doesn't tell people to avoid winter activities unless they have heart/lung problems. You really want to argue with wearing adequate clothing?
Wanna argue from anecdote?
I was a kid in Minnesota before snow blowers were common. It was routine to report on the news the number of people who died from heart attacks shoveling snow.
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Cold is an illusion that plays tricks on human mind and prevents them from getting outdoors and enjoying life....I live in Canada and I have never yet encountered a temperature that was too cold to ride.

Hypothermia and frostbite are illusions? You need to publish your findings. This is Nobel Prize stuff.

News flash--people's bodies vary in their ability to tolerate cold. Also, people in cold climates are more adept at clothing themselves for outdoor activities.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
Seriously? Dr Mirkin? You might as well quote Dr. Oz.

FWIW, I love exercising in the cold and miss that here since we moved to Tallahassee. We only get a few mornings per year where I can get out when it is in the 20s and not many more where it is in the 30s. I'd be happy to take a lot more cold weather and skip a lot of our rrelentless heat of summer. I can manage to avoid the worst of the heat by getting out at the crack of dawn though.

Mirkin has more Grammys.

So what do you have against Dr. Mirkin?
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I always look forward to cycling in cold weather, it activates BAT. I tend to lose weight and increase my aerobic capacity. I developed asthma later in life, so, I have to be a little careful with really hard efforts. I'll leave it to the canines and lawyers to debate the Fick equation principles. I'm with DT42, I'd rather die on my bike than from sepsis because unskilled labour didn't change my diaper in a week.


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It's amazing how all those skiers, skaters, runners, snowshoers, construction workers, etc managed to stay alive all these years in northern climates.
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