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Old 12-09-22, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Ice fishing is just an excuse to sit in a box and do nothing but drink.
People in Philly donít need an excuse to do that.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
My brother married a Minnesota girl, in a morning ceremony on the shore of Lake Bemidji. It was really cold and windy.

In June.
When we camped along Lake Erie between Dunkirk and Buffalo in mid-August we had a campfire, and the campground was on a plateau above the lake. There were whitecaps on the water. No thanks.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Ice fishing is just an excuse to sit in a box and do nothing but drink.
....and indoor riding is just an excuse to watch crappy TV shows or stare at a computer screen while pretending to be riding.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I grew up in Minnesota, and there is nothing colder than Great Plains cold. Ain't nothing stopping that wind. Fargo is scary cold to Minnesotans.
Minot is worse. I spent one winter there.
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
What would this audience think of A Modest Proposal?
This member of the audience would think it the best example of satire ever.
Of course, he also holds a double-plus useless English degree.
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Originally Posted by ironwood View Post
Minot is worse. I spent one winter there.
My condolences. We spent two nights there riding across the country. Got a pamphlet from the Chamber of Commerce. Reading the average highs and lows in February shocked me. Fortunately, we were there in late June. The weather was quite nice. Went to the zoo on the rest day. The first day I went to the post office to check for mail. Told the clerk my last name. She asked if it was eye-talian.
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Old 12-09-22, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ironwood View Post
Minot is worse. I spent one winter there.
Uf Da!
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Old 12-09-22, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
This member of the audience would think it the best example of satire ever.
Of course, he also holds a double-plus useless English degree.

Liked for the subtle Orwell reference. That is not ungood.
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Old 12-09-22, 07:18 PM
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I just skied uphill 4200’. My second lap was 1800’ in barely over a mile.

I might have actually died several times as the day wore on. At least 2 or 3 times, pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
I just skied uphill 4200í. My second lap was 1800í in barely over a mile.

I might have actually died several times as the day wore on. At least 2 or times, pretty sure.
So you have 7 more lives to go.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
....and indoor riding is just an excuse to watch crappy TV shows or stare at a computer screen while pretending to be riding.
Why are all your hot takes this stupid?
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Old 12-10-22, 09:07 AM
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This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
Like a white elephant gift exchange.
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Lol...they keep the cannibals in Milwaukee. I'm in the northern part of the state that is sparsely populated.
Ed Gein lived in Plainfield, small village in the dead center of the state. You arenít any safer where you are.
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Old 12-10-22, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Why are all your hot takes this stupid?
Practice.
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Old 12-10-22, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I grew up in Minnesota and I live in New England. Since I've also lived in New Orleans, I'm very well versed in extreme temperatures at both ends and have plenty of experience exercising in such conditions.
Yet you seem to have almost hysteric views about how dangerous exercise in the cold supposedly is. People who live in cold climates typically just get on with it. Like I did.

So I reproduced the quote I objected to in the first place just to show how far off the beam you have gone--that activity levels are going to "plummet" if you follow your version of what this article is recommending; or something.
Conveniently without context and the latter part of that post. Combining that with putting words in my mouth I guess that constitutes as strawman? Had you read my post you'd know I don't have a version of what the article is recommending. My view is that the article is garbage. But stating that I'm guessing you'll find a new way of making up things I've written.

Honestly, you seem to be arguing now that the "science" as you understand it, proves too much, and that the real recommendation this article should have been making based on the literature is not to go outside at all.
I think this is one of the cleares examples of strawman I've seen in ages. That whole "you seem" and "you understand it" and the punch line "not to go outside at all". Which is in fact the opposite of what I was trying to convey. So at this stage you're pretty much making things up from thin air, which really stops my involvement here.

Obviously, that's absurd and is completely unsupported by the very same articles--no, they don't clearly identify the statistical cause of the increased rates of death in cold weather but that's because that data most likely doesn't exist. You've taken the fuzziness of population-level data and concluded from it that you should take from that fuzziness the broadest interpretation of the implications possible.
More of the same as stated above. Where exactly did I write about clearly identified statistical causes? You're going to have a fun time fabricating that one. But do read the studies and the conclusions. Of course I did go a bit broader afield and found some other related stuff. The link between mortality and cold weather has been studied here too. Because it gets cold here.

What we do know is that cold has a certain number of effects on individuals, primarily but not exclusively CV and respiratory, and that there is a subset of the population who has limited ability to physically cope with those types of effects.
None of the studies referenced in the articles stated that I think. But I may be wrong. Could be. Or the effects might be universal.

You want to argue that people with heart disease don't have to worry about a factor that's going to increase the amount of CV effort needed to produce the same results, knock yourself out.
This is again something you made up as this is again the exact opposite what I was arguing. I'm starting to see a pattern.

Yes, exercise warms the body. That is heat is energy expended by your body, and your CV and other systems are working hard to generate it. The point is your body expended a lot more energy getting up to those warm temperatures than it would if the air temperature was warmer, so your heart is working harder at baseline already and you're now increasing the load on it higher than you would normally.
Of course the prerequisites of this paragraf are that you are either
1) cold when starting up
2) insufficiently clothed
3) both.
If you are properly dressed for the conditions and don't start out cold, there's not really much difference. If you really nail it you can get to a no sweat equilibrium which is kinda neat.

As to the lungs, your logic is completely off the wall. It is absolutely undeniable that cold dry air would be incredibly irritating to the lungs if the body did not have mechanisms for warming and humidifying that air as it's inspired. That's the reason most people's noses run in the cold The more you inhale and exhale, the closer you get to the boundaries of the body's ability to do such regulation. I don't doubt for a second that most people can train up to increasing their capacity to do this, in a former life, I have done such things. I now can't because the scar tissue in my lung appears to be irritated more easily. I honestly don't care if you think that's a valid excuse, I don't know why you think you're qualified to tell other people much of anything about what does or doesn't constitute a "health reason".
I'm lost here. I genuinely do not know what part of my post this paragraf relates to. You're putting so many words in my mouth that it's difficult to keep up.

I waited until my cardiac testing showed that I had suffered no significant coronary damage from my clot-induced heart attack before I started back to intense exercise, and I'll take my personalized risk assessment from myself rather than you, thank you very much. I do know that my activity does not "plummet" during the winter despite my lack of bicycling activity--if it makes you feel less butthurt that saying that that claim was full of crap and faulting you for basing an entire argument on that absurdity indicates that I was "triggered", fine. I get annoyed when people start making claims that things that happen every day are somehow impossible. If you think activity has to plummet if we don't exercise in the cold, I take it you're unfamiliar with the concept of a gym.
I've come to the conclusion that the reason why you do not understand what I'm trying to write here is because you're too invested in your own story of what I've written to be able to get out of it. Or that you're incapable of believing the fact that it's not the exercise in the cold that's bad. It is the cold itself. But not for the majority of people. And even those affected can prepare for it so it shouldn't limit them (barring extreme cases).

No amount of exercise in the gym or otherwise can replace an active lifestyle. The cold shouldn't stop that active lifestyle, just modify it (I'd love to utility ski to places now that we have proper amount of snow again).

If you're ok taking long walks in the cold but hopping on a bike is anathema, well I'm just confused.
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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
I just skied uphill 4200í. My second lap was 1800í in barely over a mile.

I might have actually died several times as the day wore on. At least 2 or 3 times, pretty sure.

So that's like a 35% grade for a mile. How long does that take you?

I can't ski because of my ankles, so I'm both super impressed and very curious.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
So that's like a 35% grade for a mile. How long does that take you?

I can't ski because of my ankles, so I'm both super impressed and very curious.
Interesting you mention this. I have some ankle issues and can't ice skate (painful), but xc skiing is fine. Although I have to do most of my snowplowing with my right ski as my left ankle can't pronate very far inward. I can still stop on a dime and can herringbone uphill unless a trail is V'ed out, then it's troublesome.
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Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
Yep, that's the purpose of this thread. Just a mud slinging fest and pure entertainment...I mean how many people are actually going to quit cycling in below 50 F temps and quit participating in winter activities just because of the article which OP has posted ???
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Yep, that's the purpose of this thread. Just a mud slinging fest and pure entertainment...I mean how many people are actually going to quit cycling in below 50 F temps and quit participating in winter activities just because of the article which OP has posted ???
I rode today and it was 35 degrees. Granted I don't have any cardiovascular issues. Plenty of other issues, but my ticker and lungs are good.
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Yep, that's the purpose of this thread. Just a mud slinging fest and pure entertainment.
Slinging mud in very low temperatures can also be very bad for your health.
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I rode today and it was 35 degrees. Granted I don't have any cardiovascular issues. Plenty of other issues, but my ticker and lungs are good.
It was only 26 F and windy in my area today. I spent 4 hours on my bike.
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It was only 26 F and windy in my area today. I spent 4 hours on my bike.
You're braver than I am.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Slinging mud in very low temperatures can also be very bad for your health.
Especially if the mud is frozen.
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This is the age of the wimp. Huge brains, small necks, weak muscles and fat wallets, the dominant physical characteristics of people who are afraid to ride in the cold.
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