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Old 12-08-22, 03:04 PM
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So I did an unexpected thing and I want your help.

I'm an aluminum wheel guy since I'm not fast nor will I ever be fast, I'm the 32 3x guy that wears wool and talks about all the stuff I say on my latest tour carrying x pounds of junk. I have a bike at my real home that I use for fun and to relieve stress by riding up hills on repeats or riding in places that a hard tail mountain bike would be appropriate. Right now the bike has my default wheels set, fat aluminum wheels with a dynamo and boutique hub in the rear but last monday I decided to lose my mind and ordered these (https://www.elite-wheels.com/product...ramic-bearing/) along with (https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop...38-steilacoom/) the wheels pretty much based on Hambini and the tires because I ride RH extra lights on everything.

While thats the long version of I bought cheap Chinese wheels in a effort to lighten my steel bike because "it's easier to lighten the bike than the rider" I would like to actually stop. Koolstop salmon or dual compound are my aluminum wheel default choice what is the Paul mini V carbon wheels brake pad choice?
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Old 12-08-22, 03:33 PM
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I use the blue Reynolds pads made for my Reynolds wheels.

But a lot of people report liking the SwissStop yellow pads.


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Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
but last monday I decided to lose my mind and ordered these (https://www.elite-wheels.com/product...ramic-bearing/) along with (https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop...38-steilacoom/) the wheels pretty much based on Hambini and the tires because I ride RH extra lights on everything.
You're gonna put those on a Surly, right?

I love it!
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Old 12-08-22, 04:11 PM
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You're gonna put those on a Surly, right?

I love it!


It's going on this Surly, it weighs 11kg built like this, if i remove the lighting, change the wheels, swap the saddle, and swap the bars/seat post, I should be able to save a kilo. This bike is a play bike so I should be able to save some weight and create a training bike.
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...those wheels say they have carbon spokes. You are well beyond help, and are now in the abandon hope gateway arch.

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I would never use SS yellow pads on a clincher wheel. I'd use their Black Prince pads or the grey Zipp Tangente pads all day every day. Or Enve.
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How much of a monster do you want to create, Dr. F? I have been very pleased with the Campagnolo Red carbon brake pads. I know they make them for Shimano brakes. I don't know if your pad holders are the ones they fit.

If the stars are aligned and you want to see how expensive those cheap wheels can get, try the Campagnolo pads for Shimano brakes on carbon wheels.
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Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
I would never use SS yellow pads on a clincher wheel. I'd use their Black Prince pads
Interesting. How do these two SwissStop pads differ (besides the color)?
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Interesting. How do these two SwissStop pads differ (besides the color)?
From my experience, the Yellow pads give off a nasty smell that makes me cough when braking hard when dry and seem to stop a little better than the Prince in the dry but the Prince are better in the wet than the Yellow. For those reasons, I use Prince pads.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Interesting. How do these two SwissStop pads differ (besides the color)?
They seem to hold heat longer than the black pads so they can contribute to heat damage on carbon rims. It's always a good idea to use pad holders that have holes in the back to relieve heat build up as well.
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They seem to hold heat longer than the black pads so they can contribute to heat damage on carbon rims. It's always a good idea to use pad holders that have holes in the back to relieve heat build up as well.
Thanks, I figured the difference between those pads was mostly cosmetic.

But being a thermal engineer (retired), I question the "hole in the brake pad holder" idea. If the holder's made of aluminum, it's going to be an excellent conductor of heat. More aluminum in contact with brake pad material is a good thing. Conduction pad-to-aluminum-to-air is going to be quite efficient.
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The black prince pads squeal like a disembowled animal on my carbon wheels. The yellow pads were much quieter. Ridng in the rain on carbon wheels and rim brakes here in the Sierras is a combination I don't ever want to try.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
I use the blue Reynolds pads made for my Reynolds wheels.
Me, too. I've also used some generic cork pads that, apart from wearing out pretty quickly, seem to do an okay job of stopping me on long descents. The Reynolds Blues work better but sometimes they squeal. No comment on wet weather performance.
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The black prince pads squeal like a disembowled animal on my carbon wheels.
You have a great way with words.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Thanks, I figured the difference between those pads was mostly cosmetic.

But being a thermal engineer (retired), I question the "hole in the brake pad holder" idea. If the holder's made of aluminum, it's going to be an excellent conductor of heat. More aluminum in contact with brake pad material is a good thing. Conduction pad-to-aluminum-to-air is going to be quite efficient.
Interesting. I wonder if any engineers were involved in then pad holders w/ holes design.
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Interesting. I wonder if any engineers were involved in then pad holders w/ holes design.
Probably, and taking orders from the marketing folks.
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Koolstop Salmon are the best for AL rims, and the best for any weather condition, plus they last virtually forever; those have been around for many years, going back to at the mid 70's though they were called Scott Mathhauser back then, but they worked excellently back then and they still do today, there is no need to mess with perfection.
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Koolstop Salmon are the best for AL rims, and the best for any weather condition, plus they last virtually forever; those have been around for many years, going back to at the mid 70's though they were called Scott Mathhauser back then, but they worked excellently back then and they still do today, there is no need to mess with perfection.
I知 looking for the salmon equivalent for carbon rims
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Originally Posted by greatscott View Post
Koolstop Salmon are the best for AL rims, and the best for any weather condition, plus they last virtually forever; those have been around for many years, going back to at the mid 70's though they were called Scott Mathhauser back then, but they worked excellently back then and they still do today, there is no need to mess with perfection.
That's great but as they OP mentioned in the very first post...he's looking for pads for CARBON rims.

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I知 looking for the salmon equivalent for carbon rims
As I posted previously either Swissstop Black Prince or Zipp Tangente grey.
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Thanks for the recommendations because I'm a simple guy I ordered these (https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/servic...im-brake-pads/) they're Koolstop and will fit my brakes, if i'm not satisfied I'll order some that fit in the Koolstop shoes.
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