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Why did bicycles have seats for 90 years, now they have saddles?

Old 12-13-22, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by big john
I have never heard the term "brifters" outside of BF. Not on technical documents, not in advertising copy, not on rides, never. Shimano calls them brake levers or dual control levers. I always suspected brifters was coined by someone on the forum. I could be wrong.

Sheldon Brown has largely been credited with popularizing the term: see for example https://www.sheldonbrown.com/upgrade-gears.html

The problem is that all of the other plausible names for the part are brand names or entirely too long.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Sheldon Brown has largely been credited with popularizing the term: see for example https://www.sheldonbrown.com/upgrade-gears.html

The problem is that all of the other plausible names for the part are brand names or entirely too long.
TIL. The first reference to "brifters" I have seen outside of the forum. And he died in 2008 so it is at least 14 years ago
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Originally Posted by big john
His jet powered recumbent?

I just looked this up--you weren't kidding!

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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Looks like this guy was posting about his recumbents until 2014. My suspicion is he switched to DF bikes fairly recently and didn't realize that the reason he wasn't hearing "saddle" until a few years ago was that he was previously riding bikes that don't have saddles.
One fun thing about reading a few of the other troll threads he's started over the years is seeing names from the past, including Pcad, may he rest in peace.
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Originally Posted by big john
TIL. The first reference to "brifters" I have seen outside of the forum. And he died in 2008 so it is at least 14 years ago

Excerpt from Sheldon Brown's glossary page:"Brifter-A combination brake/shift lever, such as a Campagnolo Ergo or Shimano S.T.I. unit. This term was coined by Bruce Frech."
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Bicycles were invented when people still road horses. It was natural if horses have saddles bikes should too. For many years, K-Mart, Sears, Western Auto, sold bikes with seats and they sold replacement seats too. Tricycle, bicycles, motor cycles all had seats. Advertisements sold bike seats for many years. A bicycle has a seat on the seat post that fits into the seat tube. Hard core bicyclist says, saddle and the general public says seat. I go to Walmart & Target they sell bike seats. The bike shop looks at you cross eyed like they have no clue what a bike seat is, WE sell saddles. LOL.
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Originally Posted by Crash2Much
Bicycles were invented when people still road horses. It was natural if horses have saddles bikes should too. For many years, K-Mart, Sears, Western Auto, sold bikes with seats and they sold replacement seats too. Tricycle, bicycles, motor cycles all had seats. Advertisements sold bike seats for many years. A bicycle has a seat on the seat post that fits into the seat tube. Hard core bicyclist says, saddle and the general public says seat. I go to Walmart & Target they sell bike seats. The bike shop looks at you cross eyed like they have no clue what a bike seat is, WE sell saddles. LOL.
Looked up "vintage bike seat ads" on Google Images. All the examples I found use the word "saddle" instead of "seat." Walmart listings use both "seat" and "saddle" to describe bike saddles. Seems to come down to this: most people know that people on horses sit on saddles, but not everybody knows that bikes have saddles (except recumbents, which have seats).

Again, you sit on a seat, you straddle a saddle.
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Originally Posted by Crash2Much
Bicycles were invented when people still road horses. It was natural if horses have saddles bikes should too. For many years, K-Mart, Sears, Western Auto, sold bikes with seats and they sold replacement seats too. Tricycle, bicycles, motor cycles all had seats. Advertisements sold bike seats for many years. A bicycle has a seat on the seat post that fits into the seat tube. Hard core bicyclist says, saddle and the general public says seat. I go to Walmart & Target they sell bike seats. The bike shop looks at you cross eyed like they have no clue what a bike seat is, WE sell saddles. LOL.
Roading horses is a new one for me.
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Originally Posted by Crash2Much
Bicycles were invented when people still road horses. It was natural if horses have saddles bikes should too. For many years, K-Mart, Sears, Western Auto, sold bikes with seats and they sold replacement seats too. Tricycle, bicycles, motor cycles all had seats. Advertisements sold bike seats for many years. A bicycle has a seat on the seat post that fits into the seat tube. Hard core bicyclist says, saddle and the general public says seat. I go to Walmart & Target they sell bike seats. The bike shop looks at you cross eyed like they have no clue what a bike seat is, WE sell saddles. LOL.
Road horses? Darn. I only have gravel horses.

The use of "saddle" or "seat" is a carefully-laid trap for real cyclists to identify other real cyclists. If you refer to the component that attaches to the top of a seatpost as a seat we know you're not a real cyclist....or a real bike shop.

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One of several early patents on Bicycle Saddle:




Mentions of "bicycle saddle" and "bicycle seat" in Google Books:


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Originally Posted by Crash2Much
Bicycles were invented when people still road horses. It was natural if horses have saddles bikes should too. For many years, K-Mart, Sears, Western Auto, sold bikes with seats and they sold replacement seats too. Tricycle, bicycles, motor cycles all had seats. Advertisements sold bike seats for many years. A bicycle has a seat on the seat post that fits into the seat tube. Hard core bicyclist says, saddle and the general public says seat. I go to Walmart & Target they sell bike seats. The bike shop looks at you cross eyed like they have no clue what a bike seat is, WE sell saddles. LOL.

"Bike seat" is a common term, but your history of the term "bike saddle" is cockamamie. Look at post 12 above--I selected that ad to illustrate the point. That's a mid-century Schwinn ad obviously aimed at kids, and it uses the term "saddle". There's absolutely no way that ad was aimed at the horsey set.

BTW, love the "handrail" on the saddle--kid on roller skates to hold on? Definitely pre CPSC.
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I found about 100 old advertisements that say, bike seat & bicycle seat. I have never seen a banana saddle advertisement. LOL

I got my first bicycle when I was 5 years old, I road my bike to, grade school every day, high school every day, college every day, work every day for years, I did group rides for years, even don't bike camping, rail to trail bike rides, beach bike rides, mountain & desert bike ride, national park bike rides, I have a bike trailer for camping, but I don't often shop in a real bike shop so I guess I'm not a real biker. LOL

Road was a typo, no option to fix it.






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Originally Posted by Crash2Much
I found about 100 old advertisements that say, bike seat & bicycle seat. I have never seen a banana saddle advertisement. LOL
You're just wrong--as far as I can tell, Schwinn always referred to the "banana seat" as a saddle. Check out the "Sting-Ray Saddle" on this baby!

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Originally Posted by Crash2Much
I found about 100 old advertisements that say, bike seat & bicycle seat. I have never seen a banana saddle advertisement. LOL

I got my first bicycle when I was 5 years old, I road my bike to, grade school every day, high school every day, college every day, work every day for years, I did group rides for years, even don't bike camping, rail to trail bike rides, beach bike rides, mountain & desert bike ride, national park bike rides, I have a bike trailer for camping, but I don't often shop in a real bike shop so I guess I'm not a real biker. LOL

Road was a typo, not option to fix it.
My comments about "real" bikers was sarcastic. That's what the "/s" indicates (end sarcasm).

Clearly "road" was a typo. That doesn't mean people aren't going to have fun with it at your expense. Also...you might want to check out the "edit" button near the bottom right of your posts

The bicycle has a few terms that are kinda wonky - what the hell is a "bottom bracket"?? Oh...the crank bearings...got it.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Excerpt from Sheldon Brown's glossary page:"Brifter-A combination brake/shift lever, such as a Campagnolo Ergo or Shimano S.T.I. unit. This term was coined by Bruce Frech."
And ​​​​cxwrench has been fuming ever since.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
One of several early patents on Bicycle Saddle:




Mentions of "bicycle saddle" and "bicycle seat" in Google Books:



So out of curiosity, I did some google searches with the phrases in quotes:

"bike seat" got about 4.7 million hits, "bicycle seat" got about 2.7 million hits, "bicycle saddle" got about 2.67 million hits, and "bike saddle" got about 2.4 million hits,

Bike seat appears to be the most popular phrase, but it's hardly a knockout.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
And ​​​​cxwrench has been fuming ever since.

I'll change my sig line when he changes his.
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A well beaten dead horse (appropriate for saddles).
Now, what about recumbents?
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Originally Posted by Crash2Much

Road was a typo, not option to fix it.

There is an option that allows you to edit a post. At least there is my my world.


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Originally Posted by Pratt
A well beaten dead horse (appropriate for saddles).
Now, what about recumbents?
Probably chair. Recumbents has to be a made up word. Re - means to do it again. If you ride one twice or more, then it starts to make sense. I rode one once - so dropped it.
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it's so people's cheeks can be put into the boot & not require a bonnet.
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A Seat is for sitting and a Saddle is for ridding...

You can install a Seat on a seat post. But when your ridding its a Saddle...
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We should talk disc brake v rim brake, steel v carbon, wide tires v narrow tires, and electronic shifting v mechanical shifting since we've not talked about those things much.
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We should talk disc brake v rim brake, steel v carbon, wide tires v narrow tires, and electronic shifting v mechanical shifting since we've not talked about those things much.
You forgot the most heated debates among cyclists: CHAIN LUBE.
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Originally Posted by Lombard
You forgot the most heated debates among cyclists: CHAIN LUBE.
In the end it all comes down to chain lube.
Or clipless, flat, or strap-in pedals.
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