Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > General Cycling Discussion
Reload this Page >

Anyone else keeping their rim brake frames ?

Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Anyone else keeping their rim brake frames ?

Old 01-10-23, 10:47 AM
  #276  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,563
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1148 Post(s)
Liked 1,212 Times in 618 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute
As someone with far more experience with discs that smd4…both setting them up and using them…as well as 50+ years of hand brake experience including using cantilevers on mountain bikes on mountain bike trails that people now tell me can only be ridden with disc brakes, I can confidently say that I’ve never experienced a situation where I couldn’t “precisely and accurately control the amount of clamping force” on any brake surface…rim or disc. As noted above, I have a bike that has disc front and linear back. I don’t use different clamping force depending on which brake I’m actuating. I don’t notice any difference in the force needed nor is one easier to use than the other. I have several cantilever equipped bikes as well and notice no difference in the ability to brake…even when doing so on fast downhills with a heavily loaded touring bike. The bikes…all of them independent of the braking system…stop where and when I need them to stop. It’s not something that I even think about while I ride.



Well they are being forced on us. Some of us have older bikes with rim brakes because a replacement isn’t available and, as has been noted elsewhere, there’s no need to discard a bike just because they don’t have the latest and greatest technology. My Moots…the one with the disc front and linear rear…is a very good bike that would cost me $8000 just for new frame. It still works as a mountain bike and there’s lots of other things I could dump $8000 on.

There is also the contingent of folks here on the Bike Forums and out in the world who try to convince us that we are risking out lives by using rim brakes. This whole thread started innocently enough with the simple question of “anyone else keeping their rim brake frames?”, and has garnered a whole bunch of insulting responses including being called luddites, being told that we are going to die if we don’t use discs, being told we are inadequate because we don’t use discs, etc. The question wasn’t “are rim brakes better?” or “are disc brakes bad?” There really was no need for disc brake users to even respond other then to stir the pot.

JohnDThompson has a valid point. Far too much is made out of rim wear. In my own personal experience…40 bikes over 40 to 45 years including mountain biking for most or all of that…I’ve replaced only 3 or 4 rims due to wear. In my experience at the local co-op (15 years of at least once a week volunteering and working on upwards of 20,000 bikes as well as donation take in), I seldom run across a rim that is worn out. I won’t say never but worn rims with visible cupping of the brake surface is a rare event, maybe 1 out of every 100 to 300 wheels.
Nothing innocent about this post. Take a look at the OP's first few threads it's a troll fest of epic proportions. Just chumming the water to get a feeding frenzy started, myself and the usual suspects jumping in.
Atlas Shrugged is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 10:49 AM
  #277  
Senior Member
 
PeteHski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 7,835
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4082 Post(s)
Liked 4,463 Times in 2,776 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute
No. It that us “rim guys” don’t think disc brakes are an upgrade. They are at most a lateral move.
I wasn't talking about the more sensible guys like you. My comments were aimed squarely at those who think disc brakes are most definitely a major downgrade, orchestrated entirely by Big Bike marketing to fool the less clever folk into buying a whole new bike.
PeteHski is offline  
Likes For PeteHski:
Old 01-10-23, 10:51 AM
  #278  
Senior Member
 
zandoval's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bastrop Texas
Posts: 4,343

Bikes: Univega, Peu P6, Peu PR-10, Ted Williams, Peu UO-8, Peu UO-18 Mixte, Peu Dolomites

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 884 Post(s)
Liked 1,518 Times in 981 Posts
Originally Posted by Steel Charlie
We don't need no steenkin' disc brakes



Or Tubeless Tires


Or Brifters


Or... Well now... Let me think... Ha, I take it back. I may not need them but they sure must be nice ta have...
__________________
No matter where you're at... There you are... Δf:=f(1/2)-f(-1/2)

Last edited by zandoval; 01-10-23 at 11:07 AM.
zandoval is offline  
Likes For zandoval:
Old 01-10-23, 11:00 AM
  #279  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,408

Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3277 Post(s)
Liked 2,692 Times in 1,638 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote
If every poster had included the clause "Speaking strictly for myself" before offering an opinion, and not pushed rather absolutist ideas about disc brakes (esp in the limited actual experience), the thread would've died a quick death.
I love that my admission of experience (do you know exactly how much experience I have? And what that experience might be?), is such a bone of contention in this thread, And that you can't seem to let go of it as your main focus of argument! Again, it seems that's all you got.
smd4 is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:09 AM
  #280  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,774

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3833 Post(s)
Liked 7,054 Times in 2,856 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4
I love that my admission of experience (do you know exactly how much experience I have? And what that experience might be?), is such a bone of contention in this thread, And that you can't seem to let go of it as your main focus of argument! Again, it seems that's all you got.
You might want to review the thread to see who wrote what.
tomato coupe is offline  
Likes For tomato coupe:
Old 01-10-23, 11:20 AM
  #281  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 7,670
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6817 Post(s)
Liked 10,736 Times in 4,589 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4
I love that my admission of experience (do you know exactly how much experience I have? And what that experience might be?), is such a bone of contention in this thread, And that you can't seem to let go of it as your main focus of argument! Again, it seems that's all you got.
You're half way there.

It was your admitted lack of experience along with your several inaccurate claims about disc brakes, which have been quoted several times already. (So I won't bother doing it again.)

You remind me of a mother-in-law I once had, who exclaimed that The Simpsons is just an awful, awful television show. When I asked how many episodes she'd seen, she replied, "None! Why would I watch such a stupid program?"
Koyote is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:23 AM
  #282  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 5,408

Bikes: 1989 Cinelli Supercorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3277 Post(s)
Liked 2,692 Times in 1,638 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote
You're half way there.

It was your admitted lack of experience along with your several inaccurate claims about disc brakes, which have been quoted several times already. (So I won't bother doing it again.)

You remind me of a mother-in-law I once had, who exclaimed that The Simpsons is just an awful, awful television show. When I asked how many episodes she'd seen, she replied, "None! Why would I watch such a stupid program?"
Again, I would get absolutely zero benefit from disc brakes. Zero, Nada, Zilch.
smd4 is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:29 AM
  #283  
Habitual User
 
Eric F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,570

Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4697 Post(s)
Liked 7,592 Times in 3,591 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4
I love that my admission of experience (do you know exactly how much experience I have? And what that experience might be?), is such a bone of contention in this thread, And that you can't seem to let go of it as your main focus of argument! Again, it seems that's all you got.
The rub is that your statements about disc brake performance (on/off, poor modulation) are so significantly different than what others experience.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Eric F is offline  
Likes For Eric F:
Old 01-10-23, 11:38 AM
  #284  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,563
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1148 Post(s)
Liked 1,212 Times in 618 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4
Again, I would get absolutely zero benefit from disc brakes. Zero, Nada, Zilch.
Except for better braking performance ("the action or process of carrying out or accomplishing an action, task, or function.")
Atlas Shrugged is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:41 AM
  #285  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 7,670
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6817 Post(s)
Liked 10,736 Times in 4,589 Posts
Originally Posted by smd4
Again, I would get absolutely zero benefit from disc brakes. Zero, Nada, Zilch.
Given your claims about disc brakes, you apparently haven't used a good setup; so your judgment is a bit uninformed. But at any rate, if you had framed it this way ("I would get..."), you wouldn't have gotten so much pushback.

Originally Posted by Eric F
The rub is that your statements about disc brake performance (on/off, poor modulation) are so significantly different than what others experience.
Yep. He's not ridden a decent setup.

Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Except for better braking performance ("the action or process of carrying out or accomplishing an action, task, or function.")
And he may not need better braking than he's already getting from rim brakes. But that's a separate matter from posting a bunch of inaccurate and uninformed opinions about disc brakes.
Koyote is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:45 AM
  #286  
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,011
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1005 Post(s)
Liked 1,218 Times in 704 Posts
Originally Posted by seypat
Serious question since I don't use discs. Can you use brake cleaner on bicycle disc rotors?
Yes.
phughes is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:48 AM
  #287  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 7,670
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6817 Post(s)
Liked 10,736 Times in 4,589 Posts
And this is what bf has come to: arguments about disc vs rim brakes, and hookers in Dubai.

It was inevitable.
Koyote is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 11:52 AM
  #288  
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,011
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1005 Post(s)
Liked 1,218 Times in 704 Posts
Another successful thread by a "new for the umpteenth time user," designed to do nothing but promote bickering.


phughes is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:03 PM
  #289  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,774

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3833 Post(s)
Liked 7,054 Times in 2,856 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote
And this is what bf has come to: arguments about disc vs rim brakes, and hookers in Dubai.

It was inevitable.
Yes, and just like those deleted hooker threads, disc brakes will disappear without a trace once people see them for what they really are.
tomato coupe is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:04 PM
  #290  
Habitual User
 
Eric F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,570

Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4697 Post(s)
Liked 7,592 Times in 3,591 Posts
Originally Posted by phughes
Another successful thread by a "new for the umpteenth time user," designed to do nothing but promote bickering.
Meh. It makes my work day go by faster.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Eric F is offline  
Likes For Eric F:
Old 01-10-23, 12:05 PM
  #291  
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 24,921
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8081 Post(s)
Liked 8,697 Times in 4,324 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson

N.B. in all the decades I've been riding, I've never actually had to replace a rim due to wear on the brake track.
The last rim I replaced due to brake track wear was an Open Pro which had maybe 10K miles on it. Started pulsating when braking and I measured it with a micrometer and it was substantially worn. I don't remember the number but it was surprising.

I'm over 200 pounds and do a lot of mountainous riding.

I have been with riders twice when the brake track blew off their front rims. The first one I was close and it was quite loud. I have seen other rims with the brake track collapsed.

When I used rim brakes on my mtb I rode in the wet a lot and I could tell when the front rim was gone because there would be a bad low spot which would thump through the bars when braking. I wore out several rims on rim braked mountain bikes.

I'm not anti-rim brakes, both my road bikes have them. There are times when I wish for something stronger, however.
big john is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:13 PM
  #292  
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,429

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10819 Post(s)
Liked 7,291 Times in 4,089 Posts
Member when someone claimed disc brakes will create imbalance due to weight on the left side of the bike, all the while ignoring the reality that rim brake bikes have chainrings, cassette, derailleurs, and chain on the right side?

mstateglfr is offline  
Likes For mstateglfr:
Old 01-10-23, 12:25 PM
  #293  
Senior Member
 
Dave Mayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,449
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1296 Post(s)
Liked 443 Times in 263 Posts
Wow... lots of shaming of rim brake proponents here. Not a very inclusive discussion.

Rim brake proponents are being called out for being:
  • Luddites (anti-tech)
  • Inexperienced (with new tech)
  • C&V fans (worst than Luddites)
  • Conspiracy theorists (stick it to the man!)
  • Delusional
  • Etc.
However, the best rim brake proponents (me and Chris Froome) want rim-brake tech because it is simply better, regardless of cost:
  • It is a lot lighter, particularly due to the frame and fork design that doesn't have to support disc-brake forces
  • The wheels are lighter, due to not having to deal with greater braking forces.
  • The rim-brake forks are more compliant, due to not having to be bulked up for disc braking forces
  • Rim brake wheels are more aero
  • Rim brakes don't slice you or your pals in a crash
  • Rim brakes are cheaper and a lot easier to work on.
So there you go. Yes, I have a high-end road bike with discs. It is a boat anchor compared to the same rim brake bike but 2 years older. I work on discs almost every time I'm in the shop. I have $15k to spend on a new bike; going rim brake with Di2 Dura-Ace. Got all the parts I need, except the frame.
Dave Mayer is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:29 PM
  #294  
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 27,229

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 148 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6124 Post(s)
Liked 4,048 Times in 2,300 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote

Moots makes an $8000 frame? Does it have a whole lot of custom stuff?
I made a mistake and misread the spec page. That’s the cost for an XT build (Moots mountaineer YBB). Sorry. I can’t find just the bare frame on Moots page but Adrenaline Bikes sells the bare frame for about $4600. That’s not for a custom build. I’m off by around $4000 but at $4600 that’s still a fair amount of change to drop to get a disc ready frame.

That also doesn’t take into account all the other things I’d have to buy because, being the luddite I am, my current bike is a 135mm OLD 26” wheeled bike. I’d still be looking at about $8000 to make my current out of date…but perfectly adequate…YBB disc ready. I don’t consider that worth the cost just so that I can be “modern”.
__________________
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!



cyccommute is offline  
Likes For cyccommute:
Old 01-10-23, 12:42 PM
  #295  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 7,670
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6817 Post(s)
Liked 10,736 Times in 4,589 Posts
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Yes, and just like those deleted hooker threads, disc brakes will disappear without a trace once people see them for what they really are.
A whole lotta fun?
Koyote is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:42 PM
  #296  
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 27,229

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 148 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6124 Post(s)
Liked 4,048 Times in 2,300 Posts
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Nothing innocent about this post. Take a look at the OP's first few threads it's a troll fest of epic proportions. Just chumming the water to get a feeding frenzy started, myself and the usual suspects jumping in.
May I remind you what the original post question was after the title “Anyone else keeping their rim brake frames ?”

Originally Posted by drz400
Maybe I'm just cheap and won't pay the price but I don't get paid to ride so I'm keeping my rim brakes. Anyone else out there or am I just an old fossil ?
There is zero that is chumming or trolling about that post. The question was asked and answered by many before a bunch of people showed up hurling insults.

drz400 is a newbie with twelve posts! That’s not many posts for someone who you label a troll. His questions might be a bit naive but I don’t see them as particularly controversial.
__________________
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!



cyccommute is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:43 PM
  #297  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,774

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3833 Post(s)
Liked 7,054 Times in 2,856 Posts
Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
However, the best rim brake proponents (me and Chris Froome) want rim-brake tech because it is simply better ...
I'll see your Chris Froome and raise you one Bernard Hinault:

"It’s the most secure braking system, whether it rains or not. Whether you have carbon or aluminium rims, it doesn’t change anything."

"Carbon rims are very good when dry, but terrible when wet."

"If I was a pro, I’d have disc brakes. It works."

"Technically it has a lot of advantages."
tomato coupe is offline  
Likes For tomato coupe:
Old 01-10-23, 12:43 PM
  #298  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 7,670
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6817 Post(s)
Liked 10,736 Times in 4,589 Posts
Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
Wow... lots of shaming of rim brake proponents here. Not a very inclusive discussion.

Rim brake proponents are being called out for being:
For the most part, a couple posters have been called out for spewing imaginary nonsense about disc brakes.
Koyote is offline  
Likes For Koyote:
Old 01-10-23, 12:47 PM
  #299  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,774

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3833 Post(s)
Liked 7,054 Times in 2,856 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute
May I remind you what the original post question was after the title “Anyone else keeping their rim brake frames ?”
To be fair, he did ask "am I just an old fossil?"
tomato coupe is offline  
Old 01-10-23, 12:48 PM
  #300  
QR-disc must die!!!
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Shenandoah Valley, Northern Virginia.
Posts: 703

Bikes: '99 Trek 520, '20 Kona Sutra (FOR SALE 48cm), '21 Simon-Bikes mini-velo and a chromoly-framed folding bicycle with drop-bars and V-brakes, that rolls even while folded.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 397 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 199 Times in 147 Posts
Until thru-axle becomes ubiquitous, I'm sticking w/rim-brakes. That said, rim-brakes have their own good qualities outright. So, yes, I'll be keeping mine. If I get a custom-made frameset that's meant to be light in weight, it will be rim-brake only (not even thru-axle).
Nyah is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.