Anyone else keeping their rim brake frames ?
01-11-23, 11:49 AM
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Really? I've never heard anything like this. Never heard anyone say my rim brakes are inadequate. In the 20 years from 2000-2019 I did around 2000 group rides. The number of bikes with discs has grown over that time but I never heard anyone say anything like that.
I do my own work so I never take my bikes into a shop so I missed the tongue clucking there. And I don't think I know anyone so weak-minded that they would go buy a new bike because someone convinced them their brakes were "going to get them killed". Nor do I know anyone so full of crap they would say such a thing.
I do my own work so I never take my bikes into a shop so I missed the tongue clucking there. And I don't think I know anyone so weak-minded that they would go buy a new bike because someone convinced them their brakes were "going to get them killed". Nor do I know anyone so full of crap they would say such a thing.
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While on my 20+ year old, v-brake equipped, singlespeed MTB, I had a young rider express his concern that my brakes might not be adequate for the trails in the area. I informed him that this bike, with these brakes, have been handling the same trails without a problem for a very long time. I'm not sure he believed me. I'll cut him some slack, however, since he was probably younger than my bike.
I once drove a jeep road to the Hole in the Rock in Arizona. After camping out that night, I was driving back to civilization. At some point, I came upon a foursome in an old Ford Pinto wagon, carefully navigating the potholes and boulders. Rolling down the window of my mighty 4x4 pickup truck, I said, "This trail gets pretty rough a little further up...Not sure if you'll make it in that car." The driver, a crusty old dude, replied (with no malice or sarcasm) that he'd made the trip countless times in that car, and he reckoned he'd make it again today.
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While on my 20+ year old, v-brake equipped, singlespeed MTB, I had a young rider express his concern that my brakes might not be adequate for the trails in the area. I informed him that this bike, with these brakes, have been handling the same trails without a problem for a very long time. I'm not sure he believed me. I'll cut him some slack, however, since he was probably younger than my bike.
(Kids tend to view anyone over 40 as 'really old'.)
01-11-23, 12:09 PM
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And by the way, stating that disc brakes are superior for some applications is not equivalent to claiming that rim brakes are "inadequate."
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Another time, on the same bike, on the same route, I passed a guy and his teenage son on the big climb part of the ride. At the top of the climb, the kid was trying to convince his dad that he needed a new bike to be faster. The dad pointed to me and my bike, and said "it's not the bike". Sorry, kid.
While I enjoy the challenge of riding my old SS, and the v-brakes do the job just fine, I like my newer, disc brake-equipped, 29" wheel MTB more. I will happily keep both.
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It's more like you have interpreted people's preference for discs to mean they were saying that, because that supports your manufactured victimhood.
I guess it's too great a burden to argue with a little integrity, even on the Internet.
01-11-23, 01:52 PM
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Our bike collections seem to have a healthy amount of overlap.
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As I’ve said multiple times—there’s simply no need. Got more stopping power than I need. Don’t need the added drawbacks that disc brakes offer for zero stopping benefit.
But it does sound like you may be a bit less experienced in adjusting mechanical brakes if you need two fingers to get “max benefit.”
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While on my 20+ year old, v-brake equipped, singlespeed MTB, I had a young rider express his concern that my brakes might not be adequate for the trails in the area. I informed him that this bike, with these brakes, have been handling the same trails without a problem for a very long time. I'm not sure he believed me. I'll cut him some slack, however, since he was probably younger than my bike.
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tl;dr.
No, I'm not replacing my rim brake bikes, but I'm also not riding them in the rain, and the older ones from before dual pivots I'm not planning to take down any steep, curvy descents. This is not to say that rim brakes are inadequate, but in the wet, the sound of dirty pads scraping metal off my rims is unpleasant and sounds like money I'll have to spend down the road, and yes, I HAVE worn out rims before.
Does this make me a serious cyclist? I don't know. I tend to see myself more as frivolous.
No, I'm not replacing my rim brake bikes, but I'm also not riding them in the rain, and the older ones from before dual pivots I'm not planning to take down any steep, curvy descents. This is not to say that rim brakes are inadequate, but in the wet, the sound of dirty pads scraping metal off my rims is unpleasant and sounds like money I'll have to spend down the road, and yes, I HAVE worn out rims before.
Does this make me a serious cyclist? I don't know. I tend to see myself more as frivolous.
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It came with mostly Tiagra components, but they've all worn out -- now it's a mishmash of everything from 105 to Dura Ace. This bike is still my benchmark: I did everything from racing to a double century on it. Since I'm 20 years older now, I have flipped the stem, but that's about it. Really a great bike.
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01-11-23, 06:34 PM
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2003 Tourmalet. It was an entry-level bike in the LeMond line at $1,000, but the frame is a keeper: Reynolds 853 main triangle, probably chromoly stays, and a decent cf fork. I knew little about frame materials, but picked the bike largely because it was red. It came with mostly Tiagra components, but they've all worn out -- now it's a mishmash of everything from 105 to Dura Ace.
This bike is still my benchmark: I did everything from racing to a double century on it. Since I'm 20 years older now, I have flipped the stem, but that's about it. Really a great bike.
It came with mostly Tiagra components, but they've all worn out -- now it's a mishmash of everything from 105 to Dura Ace.This bike is still my benchmark: I did everything from racing to a double century on it. Since I'm 20 years older now, I have flipped the stem, but that's about it. Really a great bike.
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2003 Tourmalet. It was an entry-level bike in the LeMond line at $1,000, but the frame is a keeper: Reynolds 853 main triangle, probably chromoly stays, and a decent cf fork. I knew little about frame materials, but picked the bike largely because it was red. It came with mostly Tiagra components, but they've all worn out -- now it's a mishmash of everything from 105 to Dura Ace.
This bike is still my benchmark: I did everything from racing to a double century on it. Since I'm 20 years older now, I have flipped the stem, but that's about it. Really a great bike.
It came with mostly Tiagra components, but they've all worn out -- now it's a mishmash of everything from 105 to Dura Ace.This bike is still my benchmark: I did everything from racing to a double century on it. Since I'm 20 years older now, I have flipped the stem, but that's about it. Really a great bike.
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OK, back from a delightful ride on my superior 'rim brake' technology bike. I should trademark this term. But I have no doubt that one of the 'big-3' will reintroduce some variation of rim brake road bikes in about 10 years and trumpet about how much lighter and responsive and newer it is. Just think: the rims and the braking surface are integrated, dispensing with the need for rotors! It will be patented and defended with scorched-earth lawsuits - no doubt.
Anyway, not surprised this thread has still not flamed out. I'll give you credit here, in that unlike most of the terse 'hair on fire' pro-disc responses, your listing was somewhat fulsome and thoughtful. Although mostly wrong. Most of the pro-disc responses go like this: "It's the new thing... so it must be better!".
On my new road bike I'm going for light weight, particularly wheel rotating mass, as this is the single biggest performance attribute. Aero: don't need it - at speeds high enough so that aero is important, I'm probably drafting some big guy. Wide tires... they are heavy, less aero and have higher rolling resistance. Regardless: there are only trivial rolling resistance differences between road tires. Besides, I'm not a fatty, so I don't need tires >25mm.
So you list 1,300 gram disc wheels. I don't want 1,300g wheels - I want 1,100 g wheels or less, like my Zipps. And I want 16 radial spokes. So if you can direct me to some 1,100 gram 16-spoke disc wheels (including rotors), I'm interested. I also want a sub-800 gram frameset and a 350 gram fork. That is painted with the derailleur hanger - no cheating.
No thru-axles; I'm competent enough to use standard QRs. I have no trouble aligning the wheel in my fork ends.
I also want a bike with rear 130mm stays, and a tight a Q-factor as possible. So 145 mm Ultra-Torque spec or lower. I don't want riding a bike to feel like riding a horse.
So if I can get all of that with discs - I'm all in!
Anyway, not surprised this thread has still not flamed out. I'll give you credit here, in that unlike most of the terse 'hair on fire' pro-disc responses, your listing was somewhat fulsome and thoughtful. Although mostly wrong. Most of the pro-disc responses go like this: "It's the new thing... so it must be better!".
On my new road bike I'm going for light weight, particularly wheel rotating mass, as this is the single biggest performance attribute. Aero: don't need it - at speeds high enough so that aero is important, I'm probably drafting some big guy. Wide tires... they are heavy, less aero and have higher rolling resistance. Regardless: there are only trivial rolling resistance differences between road tires. Besides, I'm not a fatty, so I don't need tires >25mm.
So you list 1,300 gram disc wheels. I don't want 1,300g wheels - I want 1,100 g wheels or less, like my Zipps. And I want 16 radial spokes. So if you can direct me to some 1,100 gram 16-spoke disc wheels (including rotors), I'm interested. I also want a sub-800 gram frameset and a 350 gram fork. That is painted with the derailleur hanger - no cheating.
No thru-axles; I'm competent enough to use standard QRs. I have no trouble aligning the wheel in my fork ends.
I also want a bike with rear 130mm stays, and a tight a Q-factor as possible. So 145 mm Ultra-Torque spec or lower. I don't want riding a bike to feel like riding a horse.
So if I can get all of that with discs - I'm all in!
