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Old 01-14-23, 03:32 PM
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What I find hilarious is the guy who will pay $14k for a 16lb bike but he’s 30 pounds overweight!
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i have one of the bikes being bandied about here - an s-works aethos with 12 speed DA. i ride it to and from work a couple days a week, three or four rides for ridingís sake every week, around 500 miles a month. i donít ďbabyĒ it (it sees rough roads, some gravel, dirt, sand, rain, etc) but i donít bang it around or lock it up outside the grocery store.

at the rate itís going, iíll probably sell it in 5 or 10 years, and the difference in life cycle cost per mile will be a nickel or something. i enjoy the hell out of the bike almost every day, love riding it, it makes me want to ride more, so itís ďworthĒ it to me. iím sure iíd also love the less expensive trims of the same bike, but the difference in cost is really marginal over the life cycle of the bike.
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Originally Posted by A350driver View Post
What I find hilarious is the guy who will pay $14k for a 16lb bike but heís 30 pounds overweight!
What I find hilarious is the guy that cares how much someone else spends on their bike and how much they weigh.
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Originally Posted by mschwett View Post
i have one of the bikes being bandied about here - an s-works aethos with 12 speed DA. i ride it to and from work a couple days a week, three or four rides for ridingís sake every week, around 500 miles a month. i donít ďbabyĒ it (it sees rough roads, some gravel, dirt, sand, rain, etc) but i donít bang it around or lock it up outside the grocery store.

at the rate itís going, iíll probably sell it in 5 or 10 years, and the difference in life cycle cost per mile will be a nickel or something. i enjoy the hell out of the bike almost every day, love riding it, it makes me want to ride more, so itís ďworthĒ it to me. iím sure iíd also love the less expensive trims of the same bike, but the difference in cost is really marginal over the life cycle of the bike.
That bike is way too fragile to ride daily, ff you read certain 110% factual opinions here (with a 110% margin for error) that bike is probably going to asplode and it cannot take racks or go mountain biking so it is clearly not able to be ridden daily.

Would love to see pictures!
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Originally Posted by mschwett View Post
i’ll probably sell it in 5 or 10 years, and the difference in life cycle cost per mile will be a nickel or something. i enjoy the hell out of the bike almost every day, love riding it, it makes me want to ride more, so it’s “worth” it to me.

Two good points here. One is that when you amortize the purchase over the length of ownership, even an expensive bike is fairly reasonable, especially compared to some other sports/hobbies I can think of. The other is the whole "pride of ownership" aspect you allude to; I want to be excited when I go out for a ride! I can (and do) get that feeling from my cheaper bikes too, but spending a sunny day on my "good" bike often motivates me to ride a little more/longer/faster, and that only adds to its value.
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Originally Posted by mschwett View Post
i have one of the bikes being bandied about here - an s-works aethos with 12 speed DA. i ride it to and from work a couple days a week, three or four rides for ridingís sake every week, around 500 miles a month. i donít ďbabyĒ it (it sees rough roads, some gravel, dirt, sand, rain, etc) but i donít bang it around or lock it up outside the grocery store.

at the rate itís going, iíll probably sell it in 5 or 10 years, and the difference in life cycle cost per mile will be a nickel or something. i enjoy the hell out of the bike almost every day, love riding it, it makes me want to ride more, so itís ďworthĒ it to me. iím sure iíd also love the less expensive trims of the same bike, but the difference in cost is really marginal over the life cycle of the bike.
And, yet, there are people on this forum that have directly stated that you are stupid for spending that much money on a bike, because their tiny brains can't fathom that it's a worthwhile purchase for you.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
And, yet, there are people on this forum that have directly stated that you are stupid for spending that much money on a bike, because their tiny brains can't fathom that it's a worthwhile purchase for you.
i mean Ö they may be right that iím stupid 😂😂 but probably not because of my bike purchases and use 🤔

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Two good points here. One is that when you amortize the purchase over the length of ownership, even an expensive bike is fairly reasonable, especially compared to some other sports/hobbies I can think of. The other is the whole "pride of ownership" aspect you allude to; I want to be excited when I go out for a ride! I can (and do) get that feeling from my cheaper bikes too, but spending a sunny day on my "good" bike often motivates me to ride a little more/longer/faster, and that only adds to its value.
totally agree, having something you really like and have spent time tuning/upgrading/adjusting/maintaining generates a positive vibe. it doesnít have to be expensive to do this but some people just like very specific things, and some people donít.

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That bike is way too fragile to ride daily, ff you read certain 110% factual opinions here (with a 110% margin for error) that bike is probably going to asplode and it cannot take racks or go mountain biking so it is clearly not able to be ridden daily.

Would love to see pictures!
itís a little like driving a sports car to work i guess - perfectly suitable for the task, not really a lot ďfaster,Ē but very enjoyable. something to look forward to at the beginning and end of the day.

and since this is a thread about reverse snobbery bikes iíll add some pictures of said bikes.

current setup


oh no, itís leaning on a tree!


oh no, salt water!


oh no, rough wet roads with debris!


oh no, itís dirty!



and now clean (ish)


second one to the office, in an hour there will be 30 bikes in here


with my daughter (behind her sirrus) at the local ice cream place

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Originally Posted by A350driver View Post
What I find hilarious is the guy who will pay $14k for a 16lb bike but heís 30 pounds overweight!
Well they likely worked hard enough in life to afford plenty of fine food that they love to eat and nice high end bikes that they love to ride.

Good on them I say. 🙂
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The governing bodies for bicycle racing, if they were not hopelessly corrupt, should remove the cost of equipment from being a factor in bicycle racing by making everyone compete on the same low-end bicycles. They should just race on round steel tube framed cycles with the wall thickness dictated in the specs as not being exotic, they should dictate aluminum wheels and a certain number of steel spokes, and they should cap the number of speeds the drivetrain has at twenty. Clincher only tires would be allowed and no exotic materials, just steel and aluminum. This way the races would be won by riders not money, and it is always good for society to show people it can be just fine if it is not centered around wealth and the "new" and instead centered around things that matter much more.
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Originally Posted by mschwett View Post

oh no, itís dirty!


Not even a chain stay bridge or points for mounting full fenders ??....Must feel nice getting splattered with road grime..I guess to each his own, personally I prefer to have full fenders on all of my bikes. Fenders keep my clothes and my roll top backpack clean.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Are there still any sub-UCI limit bikes from the major manufacturers?

Yes, you can get below the limit with some component swaps. But as shipped?
Specialized Aethos S-works. 5.9 kg. With disc brakes, and a > 275# rider weight limit.
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/s-...=321744-199439

Didn't see mschwett post his beautiful Aethos. I blame PG&E - our power has been out since 8 AM and this is the first time I've been on BF today.
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Originally Posted by beng1 View Post
The governing bodies for bicycle racing, if they were not hopelessly corrupt, should remove the cost of equipment from being a factor in bicycle racing by making everyone compete on the same low-end bicycles. They should just race on round steel tube framed cycles with the wall thickness dictated in the specs as not being exotic, they should dictate aluminum wheels and a certain number of steel spokes, and they should cap the number of speeds the drivetrain has at twenty. Clincher only tires would be allowed and no exotic materials, just steel and aluminum. This way the races would be won by riders not money, and it is always good for society to show people it can be just fine if it is not centered around wealth and the "new" and instead centered around things that matter much more.
​​​​​​They have that in Japan. Not sure if they use clinchers or sewups, and the number of speeds is capped at one instead of 20...

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Originally Posted by beng1 View Post
The governing bodies for bicycle racing, if they were not hopelessly corrupt, should remove the cost of equipment from being a factor in bicycle racing by making everyone compete on the same low-end bicycles. They should just race on round steel tube framed cycles with the wall thickness dictated in the specs as not being exotic, they should dictate aluminum wheels and a certain number of steel spokes, and they should cap the number of speeds the drivetrain has at twenty. Clincher only tires would be allowed and no exotic materials, just steel and aluminum. This way the races would be won by riders not money, and it is always good for society to show people it can be just fine if it is not centered around wealth and the "new" and instead centered around things that matter much more.
I don't race so the governing bodies of bicycle racing or UCI rules don't apply to me. I am free to ride whatever bikes I want.
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Not even a chain stay bridge or points for mounting full fenders ??....Must feel nice getting splattered with road grime..I guess to each his own, personally I prefer to have full fenders on all of my bikes. Fenders keep my clothes and my roll top backpack clean.
He's getting closer to it.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Not even a chain stay bridge or points for mounting full fenders ??....Must feel nice getting splattered with road grime..I guess to each his own, personally I prefer to have full fenders on all of my bikes. Fenders keep my clothes and my roll top backpack clean.
never really been an issue, never come back from a ride with road grime on my shirt. recent weeks aside it doesnít rain often here. my errand/child seat bike has full fenders and iíll ride it when appropriate. there are also simple, light and effective rear fenders that attach to the seat post if i really wanted a rear fender.
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I blame PG&E - our power has been out since 8 AM .
Ours was only out for 3 hours last night.

But it has still been out more than on in 2023.
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
Two good points here. One is that when you amortize the purchase over the length of ownership, even an expensive bike is fairly reasonable, especially compared to some other sports/hobbies I can think of. The other is the whole "pride of ownership" aspect you allude to; I want to be excited when I go out for a ride! I can (and do) get that feeling from my cheaper bikes too, but spending a sunny day on my "good" bike often motivates me to ride a little more/longer/faster, and that only adds to its value.
Thought of that way, his Aethos is much cheaper than one tire I had, which cost me $40 (in 1998 dollars), and lasted < 100 yards before a shard of glass cut the casing.
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Here is a picture of the bike being discussed. The main features are the frame, Roval wheels and E-tap group set. What I find interesting is that it is marketed as a UCI compliant 6.8 kg bike. This bike is not necessarily the lightest a rode bike can be but due to disc brakes and 50 mm Roval wheels and 28 mm tires, 6.8Kg as sold may be excellent. I have the 50 mm Roval wheels and really like them. They are fast, smooth and excellent on windy descents. I have the E-tap electronic shifting and prefer it to the Dura Ace electronic.




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Ours was only out for 3 hours last night.

But it has still been out more than on in 2023.
Yikes! This is the only time we've lost power. But we're in the heart of San Mateo.
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Pretty sure I could tell the difference.
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never really been an issue, never come back from a ride with road grime on my shirt. recent weeks aside it doesnít rain often here. my errand/child seat bike has full fenders and iíll ride it when appropriate. there are also simple, light and effective rear fenders that attach to the seat post if i really wanted a rear fender.
Yep. I just got one, after my abortive 13 mile ride on New Years Day that left me with soggy shorts. It was like all the mud went right into the shorts/saddle interface and left me looking like I'd crapped my pants. I ordered a SKS S-blade from Performance which arrived the next day, and last Sunday I did 56 miles and no skunk stripe or sodden shorts despite riding through a LOT of water.
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The governing bodies for bicycle racing, if they were not hopelessly corrupt, should remove the cost of equipment from being a factor in bicycle racing by making everyone compete on the same low-end bicycles. They should just race on round steel tube framed cycles with the wall thickness dictated in the specs as not being exotic, they should dictate aluminum wheels and a certain number of steel spokes, and they should cap the number of speeds the drivetrain has at twenty. Clincher only tires would be allowed and no exotic materials, just steel and aluminum. This way the races would be won by riders not money, and it is always good for society to show people it can be just fine if it is not centered around wealth and the "new" and instead centered around things that matter much more.
Yawn.
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Originally Posted by beng1 View Post
The governing bodies for bicycle racing, if they were not hopelessly corrupt, should remove the cost of equipment from being a factor in bicycle racing by making everyone compete on the same low-end bicycles. They should just race on round steel tube framed cycles with the wall thickness dictated in the specs as not being exotic, they should dictate aluminum wheels and a certain number of steel spokes, and they should cap the number of speeds the drivetrain has at twenty. Clincher only tires would be allowed and no exotic materials, just steel and aluminum. This way the races would be won by riders not money, and it is always good for society to show people it can be just fine if it is not centered around wealth and the "new" and instead centered around things that matter much more.
Counterpoint: By allowing experimentation within a limited set of parameters (and the UCI is big on setting parameters), like minimum weight, diamond frame, etc, the UCI encourages bicycle manufacturers to constantly improve bicycles, because that technology trickles down to bikes for average schmoes like me.

If you have enough money - and it doesn't take all that much, in the grand scheme of things - you can own a bike just like the World Tour pros. Or wait a few years and get the same features on a bike for thousands less. Try that with motorsports.
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​​​​​​They have that in Japan. Not sure if they use clinchers or sewups, and the number of speeds is capped at one instead of 20...

And you can bet on it.
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I don't think Hermes wants to take that KTM to his next race.
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