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How can a $14,000 bicycle possibly be worth the money?

Old 01-19-23, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Bicycle depreciation is such that the comparison to consumable makes a lot of sense. When people order expensive food, do you ridicule them?
Yeah. Then he buys it from them used....
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
The new Corvette does have better performance for the money than a Porsche.
When I was selling Porsches, I was constantly amazed what it cost to service them correctly.

The first friend does buy new Mercedes and keeps them for over 100,000 miles. He could afford to trade every year.

The third friend would never dream of purchasing a new vehicle.

The second friendís vice is aircraft. He always buys them used.
What is the relevance of any of this? No one cares what cars your friends buy or how much they spend. (P.S. That's how it should be.)
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
What is the relevance of any of this? No one cares what cars your friends buy or how much they spend. (P.S. That's how it should be.)
I brought it up.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
If I had the financial ability to buy either a Corvette or Porsche, I would pick the Porsche every time, regardless of whether the Corvette performs better. Some buying decisions do not need to be justified with improved performance.

How many miles would someone need to ride on their $14k bicycle to make it acceptable to you to spend that much? Apparently, 100k is okay for cars.

Does friend #3 always sell his used cars for more than he paid? Regardless of new or used, unless it has some sort of value as a collectable, cars depreciate due to the wear and tear of use.
I always enjoyed driving a Porsche. Better to lease a new one though.

A person does not need my approval to buy a $14,000 bicycle no more than if he throws his money into the river.

I have never known friend #3 to lose money on his collectible cars. I know that he has made a lot of money on the sale of some of them. He drives a very nice high mileage crew cab truck that he uses to haul his car trailer.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Yeah. Then he buys it from them used....

This thread is used food.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I brought it up.
Actually, you asked him if he ridiculed his friends when they purchased cars. He never answered the question, he just listed some of his friends' car buying habits.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Actually, you asked him if he ridiculed his friends when they purchased cars. He never answered the question, he just listed some of his friends' car buying habits.
Valid point.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I have never known friend #3 to lose money on his collectible cars. I know that he has made a lot of money on the sale of some of them. He drives a very nice high mileage crew cab truck that he uses to haul his car trailer.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that bicycles are not equivalent to collectible cars? Are you really that [censored by moderators]
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Why is it so hard for you to understand that bicycles are not equivalent to collectible cars? Are you really that [[i]censored by moderators]
Bicycles are just another way to spend discretionary income. Except for those who (like myself when I was in high school and college), rely on them for transportation, bicycles are another hobby, not much different than, watches, cars, airplanes, and rare coins.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Why is it so hard for you to understand that bicycles are not equivalent to collectible cars? Are you really that [[i]censored by moderators]

Hell, the vast majority of cars are not equivalent to collectible cars.

Frigging classic examples of wasting assets.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Valid point.
I have ribbed my friends about their hobbies. They think Iím crazy to own 7 bicycles.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
You call this a troll thread. I am trying to get people to think about not paying exorbitant profits to Manufacturers and their dealers.
Another I learned in business school is to not waste money on depreciating assets.
I really doubt that anybody considering buying a $14,000 bike can be talked out of it. It's like someone who has decided to buy a Corvette.

As far as depreciation, all new bikes depreciate very quickly. Just ask any shop owner who is trying to sell one of last year's models.
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Originally Posted by big john
I'm not sure about whether it's wall thickness or diameter which has the most profound effect on the way a frame feels. Probably a combination of those things, the alloy that is used, and the geometry.
If there is any difference in frame feel, it is most likely geometry rather than anything else.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
Bicycles are just another way to spend discretionary income. Except for those who (like myself when I was in high school and college), rely on them for transportation, bicycles are another hobby, not much different than, watches, cars, airplanes, and rare coins.
If your hobby is collecting rare/vintage bicycles, yes. If you look at bicycles as sporting equipment, not so much. Thankfully, bicycles last longer than the $400 softball bats I used to buy for my daughter about once a year.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I have ribbed my friends about their hobbies. They think Iím crazy to own 7 bicycles.
Anyone who owns 7 bicycles is crazy.

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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Why don't you sell those 7 dated bikes and get a new one which performs better, is lighter and fits you perfectly?
Terrible advice. N+1, and all that.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
How do you view the costs to raise a family?
Why don't you sell those 7 dated bikes and get a new one which performs better, is lighter and fits you perfectly?
I don't know why anyone would care how he or you or I value our bikes. It's a completely pointless discussion, except to denigrate each other's choices.
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Originally Posted by jonathanf2
Cycling and photography are very similar. People will dish out the big bucks for the latest $10k Leica rangefinder. Yet someone with a $500 used DSLR/MILC can take the same exact photos! At the end of the day it's not the gear, but the cyclist/photographer that matters!
Bingo! Not to mention that nowadays, just about every smartphone takes excellent quality photos.

Back in the early 1990's, I knew a guy who took excellent photos with a cheap Vivitar point and shoot camera.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
Bicycles are just another way to spend discretionary income.
The obvious question is, of course, why do you keep comparing them to collectible cars, real estate, watch collecting, etc.?
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Originally Posted by Lombard
Bingo! Not to mention that nowadays, just about every smartphone takes excellent quality photos.

Back in the early 1990's, I knew a guy who took excellent photos with a cheap Vivitar point and shoot camera.
I would suspect that photography is one of those things that high-end gear in the hands of a highly-skilled user will get an improvement in results that is only recognized by those with a similar level of skill.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I regard a good deal when one can resell their purchase and make money or lose very little.
When I buy something I buy it for myself, not the next guy. I don't view my possessions as inventory, so resale value is rarely a consideration. I've found that focusing too much on getting what you call a "good deal" often results in compromising one's goals. I'm a bike rider, not a bike salesman.

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Originally Posted by Rolla
When I buy something I buy it for myself, not the next guy. I don't view my possessions as inventory, so resale value is rarely a consideration. I've found that focusing too much on getting what you call a "good deal" often results in compromising one's goals. I'm a bike rider, not a bike salesman.
Agreed. Bicycles are one of those things that I don't ever buy with the intention of selling. As such, things like leaving the steerer tube sticking up above the top of the stem for "the next guy" is not a consideration. My bikes, optimized for me.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I would suspect that photography is one of those things that high-end gear in the hands of a highly-skilled user will get an improvement in results that is only recognized by those with a similar level of skill.
It wouldn't take a highly-skilled user to quickly realize that a smart phone could not match an SLR with a 300/2.8 or larger lens.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
It wouldn't take a highly-skilled user to quickly realize that a smart phone could not match an SLR with a 300/2.8 or larger lens.
Maybe, but I'm the guy who has no idea what 300/2.8 means other than it's a camera lens - LOL
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I pulled up at a stoplight yesterday next to an antique RR like the ones in the Grey Poupon commercial. I guess that's revelant to the thread somehow?
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